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MAJ of people thinking gambling on £2 a spin casino game/FOBT,s isnt goode for you would be correct, you,d have to ask racing and bookmakers why they hitched themelves to the casino game bandwagon, every horseracing punter over 50 can tell you horse racing is now a niche marker hardly ever mentioned at work,between non punting friends,family
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It's irrelevant now. But my understanding is that Labour themselves deregulated gambling and allowed the proliferation of gaming and slots in shops.
90%+ shops have no life beyond gaming. Technology is not reversible. |
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I do not think the HR betting decline has anything to do with FOBTs. I think it is about more attractive sport betting options.
When I was getting into betting in the 80s, pretty much the only real things offered in shops were horses and dogs. So I learned about horseracing so I could have a bet. But now the bookies offer betting on football and tennis and cricket and golf - sports young people already know and are passionate about. So when they come to want to start betting, they bet on what they know, not learn an alien sport to start betting on. As for the shops - no different to any thing else on the high street imo - almost everyone has moved their spending online and the high street is dying. |
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When you increase taxes your actual tax take decreases. They did this in Germany a couple of years ago with online gambling and the tax take reduced by around 40% because the operators increased the edge on the games and people stopped playing.Labour have never understood this and always think they can carry on raising funds just simply by increasing taxes. Its never worked.
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It's not really about increasing the amount of tax raised, it's ideology driven. They aren't that stupid. This daft mansion tax will cost more to operate than it collects. But the policy of punishing people with paper wealth will make the feel warm and fuzzy.
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And control Cider, they want to control every aspect of your life and slowly but surely its happening.
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The best way to sell their ideology driven policies is to claim that the proceeds will be put to 'good' causes. Everything they do is deliberately packaged to make anyone arguing against them to appear evil and uncaring (Tories and Labour + greens and liberals).
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Most people will recall that tactic, adding tax to education means that there would be more teachers. Only, there aren't.
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Sugar tax (Tories) made no difference to consumption.
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No longer BETTING shops. Just slot aracde. Tax them Heavy
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Went to my local bookies/casino the other day. Regulary go there Saturday peak times. 4 people on machines 1 even waiting! Nobody interesting in the Horse Racing, really sad.
They have done it themselves the big giants will now need to PAY UP. They had it so good for too long IMO |
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thought they had already doubled the remote gaming duty to 40% but kept horse racing at the same level
so they want to go in for more... is that right? |
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Yes gaming duty up to 40% on online casinos but don’t think it applied to FOBTs yet. Don't forget general sports gaming duty goes up to 25% next April (excluding horse racing) so all those extra place races will soon disappear (the books will claw it back somewhere) and will BF put up commission?
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Singapore outlawed gambling except in (2) casinos. They even put their only and once premier horseracing racecourse, Kranji, to bed, why? Their citizens were indulging too much; losing too much; productivity dropped, family aggravation increased; etc.
The Singaporeans play the Stock Markets and Cryptos. |
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SUGAR TAX tory made no different to consumption ?
REALLY ????? off cousre it made a big difference , big companies reduced the sugar in sugary drinks to below the level where they would be taxed,so eople buying the same drink were consuming less ugar,which is what the tax was designed to do |
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The only way I know to make these Corporations change their reprehensible behaviour, is to hit them so hard in the pocket they are Forced to change. Either that or I would drive them out of business completely. They do not care about You.
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Thought Kranji shut to build on it.
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1TP Ordinary Coke (probably the most popular soft drink in the UK) contains 10.6 of sugar per 100ml. How has the sugar tax changed the consumption of that?
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i didnt name a brand or drink,but the fact is lots of companies reduced sugar level,s in drink to avoid the tax ,ergo lots of people consumed less sugar so the tax worked as designed,you said it failed
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increased TAXES on ciggie,s have helped cut smoking rates but no one,s saying you cant still buy ciggies/moke if you chooe to
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Mr Spock - go to your local supermarket. If you can find any (several major retailers don't even stock it now) look at the price of regular/original Coca Cola - then compare it with the price of the 48 other (low sugar or sugar free) varieties that they now produce. Also compare the shelf space given to each.
I'd guess the "sugar tax" has completely decimated sales of the original (very high sugar) version and the shelf space now given to it, confirms that opinion imo. |
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@Trident
"Either that or I would drive them out of business completely." If your intent is to save the great British public from their "reprehensible behaviour", then leaving that public with no alternative but the unregulated market seems to me unlikely to achieve that? Same as the US and Prohibition - people still buy what they want, they just turn to buying it from gangsters. |
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it's quite amusing now in fact that bookmaker advertising now seems to be about encouraging people not to have a bet.
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well of course you wont stop everyone,if someone,s willing to pay £16 for 2o ciggs you wont stop them,
same as you wont stop to everyone from finding a FOBT/casino game to gamble on same as if punting went underground me and plenty of other,s just wouldnt bother but others would |
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if you see 100 bookmaker adverts a day,99 of them will be about sports punting, bet builders, football acca,s, slots, casino game no sign of horse racing
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there's nothing wrong with gambling with your own funds, why are you comparing it to smoking tobacco.
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i,m not just applying your human behaviour examples to sugary drink,casino games,smoking, etc etc
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your the one telling us all its gov policy/those with the means to make all punting/gambling illegal
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That's my perception and I'm entitled to it. I wouldn't trust any government to have my best interests at heart as they are all career politicians who don't give two f00ks for the man (or woman) in the street.
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yes so it's nothing to do with raising more tax.
but we must be clear (those on the freedom side if the argument), that there is a much much better argument for nudging people off of tobacco. though I am not attracted to a total ban or their brutally stupid idea to ban people based on the year you were born if you're already an adult. |
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It depends if you smoke (or have ever) or not. I'm biased as both my parents were heavy smokers and both died of lung related diseases. I'm quite happy for people to smoke so long as I don’t have to breath what they are exhaling, its their choice. But once you start to ban things and the population accept it, the government will move on to the next thing.
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Drinking kills thousands of people every year but currently no one wants to stop it, is it because most of the politicians drink as well?
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Both my parents were heavy smokers but breathing in smoke never appealed to me as something to choose to do for pleasure. I'm fine with making it difficult.
But the relevancy is that the establishments strategy is to make gambling on sports especially hr as it involves animals, as socially unacceptable as they've made smoking. There was a compelling reason to do that for smoking, not so, gambling. |
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The present number of bookies does not justify to be represented in the high streets. The betting / punting numbers are too insignificant to warrant the present number. Unlike the past 4 or 5 decades present high street bookies do not provide a service eg a social meeting place or a safe and warm environment that online bookies cannot.
The present high street bookies are in the high streets for one reason only ie to offer fobt to the fobt addicts, and to entice the general public to play fobt. Fobt is the most addictive and problematic gambling ever introduced to the high streets of the UK. Fobt is not allowed in Ireland, Australia, Canada, France or even the USA. I firmly believe fobt should be outlawed in the streets of the UK. |
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Impossible.
Sad to say not many left in Darlo when i started they was 5 Hills and 5 Corals know only one of each . Hope you are well. Ronnie. |
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And 4 Lads gone.
Ronnie. |
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i cant keep up
so although we,re told 24/7 on social media/MSM that its LAB TAX rises that are closing X amount of pubs a week,mr pock now admits MP,s /the gov arnt trying to close pubs becausenthey like a drink |
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All this stemming from a comment made by the Son Of The Manse who is not even an elected MP, the mind boggles what will happen on here if an actual member of Government made an actual reference to taxing gambling other than what has already been passed. Raising capital to fund new Nuclear Weapons perhaps? lol
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1TP yes you do need to keep up as I never said that, it was just a question not a statement of fact. Cag its well touted that the PM doesnt run the government and others behind the scenes do. It was obvious when Starmer was PM he wasn't making half of the decisions.
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'ronnie rails', not many left nevertheless, still one too many. Most managers are not friendly either to an unknown face. I'd have thought an opportunity for a new customer; the Paddy next to Ganley's in Morden would try and con you on payout citing a rule 4. Most are clueless eg unable even to calculate a win treble. They are merely custodians of fobt.
You're the exception. You're the old school manager. You know your stuff ie a proper bookie, and a manager. The old high street bookies were once known as the 5th core public service. Not now. You've a good evening. |