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RESIGN NOW YOU IDIOT. BRANT DUNSHEA.
RESIGN NOW YOU IDIOT. BRANT DUNSHEA.
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The error was two-fold
(1) the horse was not denied a fair start (2) its chances were not materially affected Wrong on both counts IMO |
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The horse was declared a NR for one reason..NOT because it was Coolmore owned but purely because the bha are terrified of falling out with the Hong Kong world pool..Royal Ascot next week will be fun and games
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What is worrying is the thought that the Chief Executive of the BHA is probably the most competant person there.
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leif
Thanks. It is good to have one person supporting the BHA decision. |
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Hong Kong World Pool ...
"I was introduced to a boy in a wheelchair. He was a former jockey. I asked if he's had a fall and it all went quiet. Later, someone told me that he's won on a horse he wasn't meant to win on. They snipped the back of his tendons. He never rode again." Walter Swinburn on his time in Hong Kong. |
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Delashay
Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job? No, i wasn't really interested in the Epsom Derby anyway except for a few lays of Item. I rarely post on other threads anyway, occasionally due to time constraints and several are simply a collection of childish bickering anyway as i pointed out. I have a WhatsApp group with quite a few BF posters anyway, some of the better ones and we actually discuss racing without having a pop. Impossible123 the poster is still terribly aggrieved and offended because I objected to him posting incessant 'lay' bets on a discussion thread for self-interest. I certanly am not aggrieved, or even remotely offended, in fact i do not give one iota. My reason for posting a reponse to your comments occasionally is the same as others, complete hogwash. As for my lay threads being self-interest, sure they are, i've been posting them since 2018. |
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The key point of this horse case is not 'did it have a fair/equal start' - it obviously didn't, but around 30% of all runners have that problem from starting stalls for various reasons/behaviour.
The key points are: Why did this happen (horse behaviour only) and did it stop it running a race with a winning chance (no, it was around midfield during the race, if it stayed on powerful it could have won or placed). Both of these issues mean there is no way it should be declared a NR. Basically on the 'why' that is even written into their rules. But why have rules if you can just ignore them. |
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was just unlucky, the stalls handler did notice and was going towards the stall to sort it out, at the same time Moore noticed it and according to Hector Crouch was shouting no, no when he let them go
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It could have broken out with a 2 length start on the field and wouldn't have won the race - prob not even placed.
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Racing is a complete and utter joke - banging on about 'fair chance' in a stupid case like this, while turning blind eyes to constant criminals and con artists in jockeys and trainers daily in racing...
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Between the end of the race and before the "non-runner" decision was announced twenty minutes after the race was there any contact between the BHA/Brant Dunshea/Epsom stewarts and the World Pool?
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Does anyone know how much was refunded on BC courtesy of the stewards? Were the lucky sods big hitters? I got nothing as my bets were antepost here. I think this is terribly unfair.
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Winners and losers.
You win some, and...you lose some. Way of the world. Move on. |
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I did not win or lose.
I did not bet on the race. You can tell me to move on but no one is listmning to you. The BHA / Epsom stewarts made a ridiculous decision. My guess is the people who pay for racing (the owners and betters) do not want this stupidity to continue. |
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And your accas? Weren’t they settled as winners with him as void for that final leg?
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I was a betting shop manager for years.
Groupthink from punters who think everyting in racing is unjust, unfair or crooked. |
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Poor ole 123.....wat a plonk her
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BHA statement has been removed.
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It was too easy to pick holes in the pitiful statement
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Groupthink from punters
Not at all the point here - this is gross incompetence or misuse of rules for racing. Bordering on illegality where layers could lose but not win in this financial case. Not just a few punters moaning that their horse got a bad ride, ffs. |
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Misuse of Rules an absolute certainty
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An added article, this time trainer:
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/william-haggas-doesnt-agree-with-decision-made-to-deem-benvenuto-cellini-a-non-runner-following-the-derby/232560 |
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Harry Stewart Moore, the lawyer on The Racing Room podcast explains how they misapplied the rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOgrZPKtDDE |
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An ex Betting Shop Manager comparing all forumites with mug punters
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I'm sure a case can be made for making the horse a non-runner but the overriding issue is if you start making non-runners of horses who have suffered misfortune by the action of others, it will make a total mockery of the betting industry. Crazy decision.
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If the 'others' are jockeys who fail to remove the hood, should the horse be declared a runner?
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It should revert back to the original rules, if the horses are in the gates they are runners once the gates open - if they/jock messes it up then that is part of the race.
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So what happened to the AP bets?
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Losers,Cowboy
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i backed the fav ante post and ive got no complaints about losing , but it really has put me off ante post, if i had waited to day of the racemarket i would have had a full refund, secondly the odds were better on the day , i would have had guaranteed odds with bookmakers ,so no more backing ante post for me ,
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Interesting interview with Simon Nott and Brett today.
Brett said he paid for a pitch in the centre of the course for Oaks and Derby day. Epsom predicted 8-10,000 people would turn up, free of charge. On the Friday just over 400 turned up. He took 23 bets all day. Horrendous stuff. |
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Ante post is dead. As you say ellsjohn you back something at 5-2 a week earlier hoping he doesn't fall down a hole and just runs. Goes off at 3s. You don't get any concessions. Best leave all bets until the day.
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Unless you are happy to back for coppers at big prices
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Some very sqew whiff views here on RE: AP betting.
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What do you know Delbert?
You cannot post any bet you have ever had on here. At the front end of the Market you are likely to get at least the same on the day unless,of course,you are privy to Inside Info |
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John as you follow AOB you’re probably best not to back those AP, as you know when he has multiple entries you could be on the wrong one, see it drift and watch the stablemate get pummelled.
As the favs odds were 2/1 since he won the trial at Chester all bets should be refunded AP or not as his odds were consistently the same until the day of the race. With the rain that came it was no surprise to see him drift. Bookies good will, now don’t make me laugh! |
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i was thinking of backing these for r ascot ante post, bow echo around evens, daryz prince of wales 6/4, trawelman 4/1, venertian sun 2/1 and true love 2/1, , bow echo imo will be odds against on the day, daryz will drift if even running, trawelerman looks non runner, venetian sun i reckon will drift and true love already gone out to 4 on here . well see next week
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John True Love is now second Fav for the Commonwealth Cup she’s been cut again today.
Daryz is coming, he hasn’t improved his rating this year and might drift on the back of that and if the going is fast. I’d hold fire and wait as you say as you’re only talking fractions. |
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Trawler will have to defy a 243 day break, I know Gosden’s said that he’s getting on and wants to keep him fresh but he’ll have to start thawing him out soon!
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