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It’s amazing how a win brings out the cheerleaders! A win that rights the wrongs from the dy before! 
Still expecting too much from the horse final stages of race , good horse , easy ride .
And the trainer with the richest owners.
A la Man City.
A la Man City.
The domination is pretty boring now. The rubicon has been crossed.
The national is the nadir writ large.
Winning the national used to be a once in a lifetime event, now one trainer is arriving at the elbow with 3 or 4 swinging on the steel.
The national is the nadir writ large.
Winning the national used to be a once in a lifetime event, now one trainer is arriving at the elbow with 3 or 4 swinging on the steel.
Dela you had no problem joining the 3 anti Irish cheerleaders yesterday so take your medicine. Well a different one to the one youre already taking.
Oi take your issue and shove it sideways back on the thread that you put up
Mick taking aftertiming to a new level. wtf has today's racing got to do with riding a finish on an injured horse 
Not liking seeing a horse ridden when the commentator says before the finish line go wrong makes me anti - Irish?!
Can I have some of what you’re drinking or smoking?
Can I have some of what you’re drinking or smoking?
You understand that it’s what happened to the horse but not where the rider is from or where it’s trained?
What a low life cheek to throw that accusation!
What a low life cheek to throw that accusation!
Drink on Adrenalin should tell you he’s had a rare winner!
Tell me Dela, I assume you watched most of the races today. If you didnt have a look at McMenamin and O'Briens winners again and the way they slapped the horses' neck several times before the last. Considering you seem to have put so much blame into this being the reason two of Townend's mounts made mistakes this week how come these other horses won today with their jockeys doing the same thing?
Unless he’s been at the sauce since he’s passed the finishing like?
Because he was quiet earlier!
Because he was quiet earlier!
a bit excitable, young Mick. Got the grand national winner to be fair 
Fwiw I backed Final Orders and Iroko. Both ran excellent races.
You need to apologise for making your childish accusation, you have no right to enter into conversation with me until then!
To be fair Dela not everyone is on this forum 20 hours a day like you
the irish field guy said it was 4/11 for the winner to live in Ireland.
begs the question, why the hard on immediately after the race ?
begs the question, why the hard on immediately after the race ?
I’m sorry that you’re harbouring a grudge and carrying it around with you since the Albert discussion when you also made yourself look like the ball ‘n bat that you’re showing yourself to be.
Why the thread immediately after the race yesterday? Just glad youre going mad Cider. You know as well as everyone else you wouldnt have started that thread yesterday if it didnt involve Townend/Mullins or any Irish jockey. That's the point. You even made a point of mentioning the 'English' jockey from Fakenham. You haven't denied youre a bigot as you cant.
That’s your interpretation and your wrong impression. I watch jockies body language and will explain no more. 
you seem to have put so much blame into this being the reason two of Townend's mounts made mistakes
This is also your own incorrect impression! Yet, you suggest I take or need medicine?
MJK • April 11, 2026 4:28 PM BST
Dela you had no problem joining the 3 anti Irish cheerleaders yesterday so take your medicine. Well a different one to the one youre already taking.
you seem to have put so much blame into this being the reason two of Townend's mounts made mistakes
This is also your own incorrect impression! Yet, you suggest I take or need medicine?
MJK • April 11, 2026 4:28 PM BST
Dela you had no problem joining the 3 anti Irish cheerleaders yesterday so take your medicine. Well a different one to the one youre already taking.
Dela dont be trying to deflect. I asked a simple question but perhaps, just perhaps, you're not as clever as you try to be on here. Maybe take an hours break every ten hours or so.
He's a master. Don't think many others win on this horse.
Take you’re advice and your grudge and poke it, I’ve explained that it’s you who has taken the wrong impression from I’ve said.
To suggest that I’m anti Irish is pathetic of you, what a maggot!
To suggest that I’m anti Irish is pathetic of you, what a maggot!
The thread was an observation immediately after the race, and I thought a worthy debating topic. I feel that is a tick. As I said to loper, I don't expect people to need to agree with my points.
Perhaps you are too dense to pick up on it. The nationality of the jockey related to how it was treated by RTV (in my view). 'We' are wetter than the English channel, broadcasters find it a lot easier to stick the boot in when it isn't a foreigner. And yes, if it had been a jobbing English jockey riding a finish on a horse with a broken back, they would have handled it differently, in my opinion.
Perhaps you are too dense to pick up on it. The nationality of the jockey related to how it was treated by RTV (in my view). 'We' are wetter than the English channel, broadcasters find it a lot easier to stick the boot in when it isn't a foreigner. And yes, if it had been a jobbing English jockey riding a finish on a horse with a broken back, they would have handled it differently, in my opinion.
I didn’t see the races that you e mentioned and have commented and asked questions about the part that you’re obsessed with.
I don’t need such a punany to tell me how to spend my time.
I don’t need such a punany to tell me how to spend my time.
I get that you do dunce, and not so much nuance. And the little things get you going. I'll consider that for the future ;)
I can recall seeing AP tap Clan Royal around the course, at every fence. That Townend doesn’t do it every time is there for anyone to see.
After Ruby said Impare jumps out to the right so he tapped him to straighten him.
There was debate about whether Impaire would have won or been outstayed? That was up for debate.
Was Golden Dancer also edging right yesterday? Hence the taps down the neck?
Or does Paul tend to do that when he feels a horse tiring?
Gold Dancer hit the 3rd fence out, was it shoeing him signs of tiring hence the tapping and next bad jump?
They are all questions that I was putting out there up for discussion and I’ve used the two rides and their similarities as an example from which we can draw a conclusion.
Leave your apologies for accusing me as being something that I’m not here.
After Ruby said Impare jumps out to the right so he tapped him to straighten him.
There was debate about whether Impaire would have won or been outstayed? That was up for debate.
Was Golden Dancer also edging right yesterday? Hence the taps down the neck?
Or does Paul tend to do that when he feels a horse tiring?
Gold Dancer hit the 3rd fence out, was it shoeing him signs of tiring hence the tapping and next bad jump?
They are all questions that I was putting out there up for discussion and I’ve used the two rides and their similarities as an example from which we can draw a conclusion.
Leave your apologies for accusing me as being something that I’m not here.
Was no coincidence that the horse put in a bad jump and he was tapping it, then it eventually puts in an even worse and fatal jump.
They aren't related contingencies. Mick seems to think that me starting this thread means that I feel Townend isn't a good jockey overall. Obviously that's not the case.
He thinks he don’t like him because of where he’s from, it’s not about his skills as a jockey
Deflection, deflection. All you have left. You're a bigot and you know it. 'They would have handled it differently'. Not talking about them, talking about you. As I said you only started the thread because it was Townend/Mullins. And it would have been the same if it was any other Irish jockey. But you have a particular hatred for Townend/Mullins.
'hatred'
More telling is why you only started posting on this thread after they won the gn. Must have been festering lol
You are obsessed with where horses and people live.
More telling is why you only started posting on this thread after they won the gn. Must have been festering lol
You are obsessed with where horses and people live.
No need thank me for explaining to you why I pay attention in detail to how jockies ride. Or to apologise!
My fav flat jock was Gerald Mosse, why? Because he didn’t sit with his hands planted on the neck like every other rider.
He had a long reign and let them find a rhythm. To me that encouraged them and I think he won a few G1’s the world over
He had a long reign and let them find a rhythm. To me that encouraged them and I think he won a few G1’s the world over
I was long ago, the wins don’t make up for the losses of life
Here MJK my first post on the thread, you like to remind others to look back and read through well here.
Delashay • April 10, 2026 2:43 PM BST
I’m behind you all and have only just seen, made me feel sick.
Ed the Tooth Sid well done to him for jumping off right after the line. Yeah after running 200 yards after your back legs had gone back and pointed toes together like diver Tom Daily
Let me know why you accused me of being one of the anti Irish?
Delashay • April 10, 2026 2:43 PM BST
I’m behind you all and have only just seen, made me feel sick.
Ed the Tooth Sid well done to him for jumping off right after the line. Yeah after running 200 yards after your back legs had gone back and pointed toes together like diver Tom Daily
Let me know why you accused me of being one of the anti Irish?
No need thank me for explaining to you why I pay attention in detail to how jockies ride. Or to apologise!
Except the two I asked you to look at. For someone who pays such close attention 'in detail' it seems to have somehow passed you by that Townend does that on practically every horse he rides that are in with a chance down to the last.
Except the two I asked you to look at. For someone who pays such close attention 'in detail' it seems to have somehow passed you by that Townend does that on practically every horse he rides that are in with a chance down to the last.
I’ve told you that I never saw the race and have no interest in them, I don’t watch everything, least you could do is restract your statement that I’m anti Irish.
He might do but he’s not as animated as he was on those, point being and I’ll ask again were they tired?
You’ve not given an opinion on that so stop splitting hairs trying to dig me out.
He might do but he’s not as animated as he was on those, point being and I’ll ask again were they tired?
You’ve not given an opinion on that so stop splitting hairs trying to dig me out.
I didn’t see Townend slapping Gaelic Warrior down the neck when wining the Gold Cup as he did those two that I’ve mentioned?
Why?
Because it was tanking.
Why?
Because it was tanking.
So draw your own conclusions, I have thanks 
And if you ever want an opinion it might be worth you taking your own medicine and retracting your nonsense.
MJK • April 11, 2026 4:28 PM BST
Dela you had no problem joining the 3 anti Irish cheerleaders yesterday so take your medicine
I’ve shown I didn’t like what I saw, as Brandy pointed out this game ain’t for everyone and I’ve said before I’m not a jumps man and none of what I seen makes me change that stance, I have too much compassion for the horses and that out weighs winning a few quid.
And if you ever want an opinion it might be worth you taking your own medicine and retracting your nonsense.
MJK • April 11, 2026 4:28 PM BST
Dela you had no problem joining the 3 anti Irish cheerleaders yesterday so take your medicine
I’ve shown I didn’t like what I saw, as Brandy pointed out this game ain’t for everyone and I’ve said before I’m not a jumps man and none of what I seen makes me change that stance, I have too much compassion for the horses and that out weighs winning a few quid.
In the words of Columbo, “Just one more thing…”
Given Gaelic Warrior’s propensity to jump right in the past, it’s interesting that he didn’t need the same taps as Impare did to keep straight. (Which was Rubies explanation.)
Just another observation of the jock that does it all the time ;)
Now I’m off to help a friend with scenery at a theatre, good day and may the road rise with you too!
Given Gaelic Warrior’s propensity to jump right in the past, it’s interesting that he didn’t need the same taps as Impare did to keep straight. (Which was Rubies explanation.)
Just another observation of the jock that does it all the time ;)
Now I’m off to help a friend with scenery at a theatre, good day and may the road rise with you too!
This thread is also a good example of how betting and betfair have evolved over these last 25 years or so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has gone from a predominately racing focus medium where now, and with a younger growing cohort, who may only have joined up over the last few years, and racing isn't really their thing. Just ask the bookmakers about how football betting has really taken off over the last 15 years.
I love flat racing, I adore the jumps. Got a lot of time for Paul T, one of the all time greats. However, as McCoy said when someone referred to him winning 4,000 races. 'Yes, but I lost 16,000.'
It'll be a sad day for me if racing is ever banned. I sincerely hope not in my lifetime. Thanks be to God, we'll never have these conversations in Ireland.
I love flat racing, I adore the jumps. Got a lot of time for Paul T, one of the all time greats. However, as McCoy said when someone referred to him winning 4,000 races. 'Yes, but I lost 16,000.'
It'll be a sad day for me if racing is ever banned. I sincerely hope not in my lifetime. Thanks be to God, we'll never have these conversations in Ireland.
Put quite simply, your opinion of Townend is largely influenced by which side of the Irish Sea you were born (and potentially how strongly you feel about "historical" events).
I couldn't have in my top 10 jump jockeys, purely because I have never seen him do anything remarkable or exceptional in the saddle.
He was simply at the right stable at the right time.
I couldn't have in my top 10 jump jockeys, purely because I have never seen him do anything remarkable or exceptional in the saddle.
He was simply at the right stable at the right time.
Jumper I’ve watched racing all my life, grew up watching with my dad like many of us, only joined here last year, don’t bet on the football (only occasionally have a bet on correct score if I think a team is in for a hammering)
Never been a lover of the jumps and haven’t missed not watching it over the winter. Watched yesterday as it’s tradition, but didn’t bet in the big race.
I grew up playing football in a team of mainly slack and Irish guys we were the riff raff, one turned out to be quite good - Kevin Gallen.
For racing to survive it has to clean up in lots of areas and things don’t go away by sweeping them under the carpet.
Good day to you and be lucky.
I’ve scenery to paint!
Never been a lover of the jumps and haven’t missed not watching it over the winter. Watched yesterday as it’s tradition, but didn’t bet in the big race.
I grew up playing football in a team of mainly slack and Irish guys we were the riff raff, one turned out to be quite good - Kevin Gallen.
For racing to survive it has to clean up in lots of areas and things don’t go away by sweeping them under the carpet.
Good day to you and be lucky.
I’ve scenery to paint!
As one ex top Irish champion said “ they’re not pets they are commodities “ ….
You wouldn’t let them into the kitchen…..Deary me…
You wouldn’t let them into the kitchen…..Deary me…
Apr 12, 2026 -- 10:18AM, JohanntheGoatHurdler wrote:
Put quite simply, your opinion of Townend is largely influenced by which side of the Irish Sea you were born (and potentially how strongly you feel about "historical" events).I couldn't have in my top 10 jump jockeys, purely because I have never seen him do anything remarkable or exceptional in the saddle.He was simply at the right stable at the right time.
No. Not at all. I would have Sean Bowen at the top of the tree at the moment. Casuals will just turn up on big days and not appreciate that. Olly Murphy just doesn't have the firepower to compete consistently at the top level.
As for being at the right place at the right time, over jumps you argue both Scudamore and McCoy with Pipe. Ruby getting the Nicholls gig around the early 2000s, and a decade later coming back to become Mullins main jockey, just as that stable began to fire. Geraghty - right time for him as well, becoming JP's retained rider from I think 2003 onwards, after 3/4 solid years in Ireland.
Agreed about Bowen.
I would still like someone to point out a Townend ride where they could convincingly argue that he was the difference between the horse winning and losing, as you could easily do with AP and Bowen.
I would still like someone to point out a Townend ride where they could convincingly argue that he was the difference between the horse winning and losing, as you could easily do with AP and Bowen.
I like Bowen too. Clearly fitter and stronger than most others but there's no getting away from the fact that he's given some of these horses a mountain to climb with his Spencer like tactics at Cheltenham and Aintree. When it comes to Grade 1 races Townend and Kennedy are top of the tree at the moment by making less mistakes then the others and I expect Cobden to join them next year. You do need the ammo but put your horse in the right place too
Remember next time a rider hears something,or feels something during a mid week affair regardless of the sp,decides to pull up….
“ heard something sir”
Aye nae bother….
“ heard something sir”
Aye nae bother….
Fair point ace. It wasn't too dissimilar to the mistake Il Etait Temps made at the last in the Queen Mother. If the horse recovers and keeps running think it's a bit harsh to have a go at the jockey
Johann could you save everyone time and bullshit and just say you hate Townend. It's as simple as that isn't it. No need for the waffle. I suspect you and the other one are one and the same poster anyway so just be honest. Anyone who thinks Townend isn't in a class of his own as a current NH jockey has serious anger issues or worse. I suspect worse.
No response that?
12 • April 12, 2026 9:34 AM BST
In the words of Columbo, “Just one more thing…”
Given Gaelic Warrior’s propensity to jump right in the past, it’s interesting that he didn’t need the same taps as Impare did to keep straight. (Which was Rubies explanation.)
Just another observation of the jock that does it all the time ;)
Now I’m off to help a friend with scenery at a theatre, good day and may the road rise with you too!
Nor that
Delashay • April 12, 2026 9:12 AM BST
I’ve told you that I never saw the race and have no interest in them, I don’t watch everything, least you could do is restract your statement that I’m anti Irish.
He might do but he’s not as animated as he was on those, point being and I’ll ask again were they tired?
You’ve not given an opinion on that so stop splitting hairs trying to dig me out.
12 • April 12, 2026 9:34 AM BST
In the words of Columbo, “Just one more thing…”
Given Gaelic Warrior’s propensity to jump right in the past, it’s interesting that he didn’t need the same taps as Impare did to keep straight. (Which was Rubies explanation.)
Just another observation of the jock that does it all the time ;)
Now I’m off to help a friend with scenery at a theatre, good day and may the road rise with you too!
Nor that
Delashay • April 12, 2026 9:12 AM BST
I’ve told you that I never saw the race and have no interest in them, I don’t watch everything, least you could do is restract your statement that I’m anti Irish.
He might do but he’s not as animated as he was on those, point being and I’ll ask again were they tired?
You’ve not given an opinion on that so stop splitting hairs trying to dig me out.
Despite having said that :
MJK • April 12, 2026 9:02 AM BST
No need thank me for explaining to you why I pay attention in detail to how jockies ride. Or to apologise!
Except the two I asked you to look at. For someone who pays such close attention 'in detail' it seems to have somehow passed you by that Townend does that on practically every horse he rides that are in with a chance down to the last.
I suppose your key word was practically bit as pointed out no slaps were given to the tanking Warrior.
MJK • April 12, 2026 9:02 AM BST
No need thank me for explaining to you why I pay attention in detail to how jockies ride. Or to apologise!
Except the two I asked you to look at. For someone who pays such close attention 'in detail' it seems to have somehow passed you by that Townend does that on practically every horse he rides that are in with a chance down to the last.
I suppose your key word was practically bit as pointed out no slaps were given to the tanking Warrior.
Dela you come across as someone who has to be always right, has to have the last say and a really sad, lonely individual who has nothing else in life but this forum. Even answering for other posters now. You're even proving yourself to be what you said you weren't. Pitiful stuff. I feel sorry for you.
Don’t need it from a paranoid chip barer!
I had a great time painting the scenery and my friend appreciated the aging down techniques that I showed her so run along and theorise about your next conspiracy!
Oh and I had two winners whilst I was out!
I’m not always right, hold my hands up when I’m wrong unlike yourself who brands me as something that I’m not.
Oh and I’m not part of the heard either, as an artist I like to form my own opinions because to show your work you have to believe in it, it’s a bit like trusting your judgment when you place a bet!
I had a great time painting the scenery and my friend appreciated the aging down techniques that I showed her so run along and theorise about your next conspiracy!
Oh and I had two winners whilst I was out!
I’m not always right, hold my hands up when I’m wrong unlike yourself who brands me as something that I’m not.
Oh and I’m not part of the heard either, as an artist I like to form my own opinions because to show your work you have to believe in it, it’s a bit like trusting your judgment when you place a bet!
What you see as the me wanting the last say was reminding you that you never acknowledged my questions or points and as someone who asked me to read back on something you had said seems a little hypocritical to say the least my dear fellow!
He had a hard act to follow in Walsh,not disappointed has he?
Class jockey.
Class jockey.
I agree on both points, he does have the best horses however and they’re better than what Walsh had at the stable so I’d still have Walsh as my best.
Johnny Burke won on two horses today not many would have won on. A jockey imop as good as anyone riding in the UK. Pity he's riding for that stable though...
Luck today saying rtv couldn't show any replays of the race due to the 'sensitivities'. Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever as the horse finished the race.
However, in the round up with Mellish they showed the handicap hurdle again with Get On George pulling up, with it's broken leg flapping in the background
They missed the key point on talking points, perhaps deliberately. Quite obviously Townend is going to say he didn't notice, what else could he have claimed. However the key point is whether he should have pulled up, given the catastrophic mistake and virtual certainty that the horse would have injured itself in some way.
However, in the round up with Mellish they showed the handicap hurdle again with Get On George pulling up, with it's broken leg flapping in the background
They missed the key point on talking points, perhaps deliberately. Quite obviously Townend is going to say he didn't notice, what else could he have claimed. However the key point is whether he should have pulled up, given the catastrophic mistake and virtual certainty that the horse would have injured itself in some way.
However the key point is whether he should have pulled up, given the catastrophic mistake and virtual certainty that the horse would have injured itself in some way.
I refer you to the expert witness opinion
James Given, director of equine health and welfare for the British Horseracing Authority, said: "The horse jumped and slipped and lost his back end.
"He came up very quickly and took one half stride to get organised and galloped away.
"I was in the inquiry and gave evidence that looked into the incident - I was able to watch front on and behind - and the horse stayed as straight as an arrow and wasn't deviating off a straight line or being asymmetric, the back legs were following the front legs exactly.
"It was only when they went past the finishing line that he turned around to the left as the track goes and went from cantering to a trot and the action changed and Paul [Townend] became aware.
"He immediately jumped off and was attended by the vets. I don't believe Paul was able to notice that injury at all.
"He would have felt nothing but normal to him and it was only from the action from a canter to a trot he became aware and acted exactly as he should have done."
I refer you to the expert witness opinion
James Given, director of equine health and welfare for the British Horseracing Authority, said: "The horse jumped and slipped and lost his back end.
"He came up very quickly and took one half stride to get organised and galloped away.
"I was in the inquiry and gave evidence that looked into the incident - I was able to watch front on and behind - and the horse stayed as straight as an arrow and wasn't deviating off a straight line or being asymmetric, the back legs were following the front legs exactly.
"It was only when they went past the finishing line that he turned around to the left as the track goes and went from cantering to a trot and the action changed and Paul [Townend] became aware.
"He immediately jumped off and was attended by the vets. I don't believe Paul was able to notice that injury at all.
"He would have felt nothing but normal to him and it was only from the action from a canter to a trot he became aware and acted exactly as he should have done."
I’ve already wiped my Cree on dat and flushed it!
Post again tomorrow morning please!
Post again tomorrow morning please!
And as said none of the bouncing up and down after that bad jump on his broken back did anymore damage?!
Now best to go hang wirh the screw faces and make your little inside snide jokes
Because I bet you’ll not respond to the first sentence and give an opinion on whether it’s likely or not?
But it was after the line so it’s ok! Good good!
Now best to go hang wirh the screw faces and make your little inside snide jokes
Because I bet you’ll not respond to the first sentence and give an opinion on whether it’s likely or not?
But it was after the line so it’s ok!
Good good!
The point isn't whether it did anymore damage or not, it likely did, the point, and the only point that matters is whether or not the jockey knew or suspected the horse had sustained an injury, the jockey said he wasn't aware, the expert after reviewing the footage from all angles backed the jockey up.....and that is all she wrote.
They are bound to back them up, I reckon he heard a crack.
When stewards take the line colt was slowly away from the jock they’ll believe anything and be happy to do so.
They should work for the UN!
When stewards take the line colt was slowly away from the jock they’ll believe anything and be happy to do so.
They should work for the UN!
Nah sorry I’m not having those words take this
Montreal (IRE) 10/11F
Ryan Moore
A P O'Brien
Slowly away, midfield on inner, in touch with leaders 4f out, kept on inside final furlong (jockey said colt was slowly into stride)
See it’s all so neat and tidy within that world.
Was she given a brown envelope to write that?
Montreal (IRE) 10/11F
Ryan Moore
A P O'Brien
Slowly away, midfield on inner, in touch with leaders 4f out, kept on inside final furlong (jockey said colt was slowly into stride)
See it’s all so neat and tidy within that world.
Was she given a brown envelope to write that?
The colt that day was beaten like the fav today as Leopardstown 6 + lengths.
Kevin Gallens magic he wears a magic hat
He plays for queens park rangers he's such a luverly chap
Scores with his left foot scores with right and when we play the chelsea he scorrreeesss all clucking night...
You from Acton Dela ?
He plays for queens park rangers he's such a luverly chap
Scores with his left foot scores with right and when we play the chelsea he scorrreeesss all clucking night...
You from Acton Dela ?
I always cheer up immensely when an attack is particularly insulting because I think to myself, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left.
Delashay 12 Apr 26 18:40
They are bound to back them up, I reckon he heard a crack.
Thats the bottom line though, reckon he heard a crack, aside from needing probable bionic hearing through all that noise, that's just melodrama, nothing can be done, there is absolutely no case to answer, if we are going to lurch into supposition I'm going to hazard a guess that no jockey on the planet would continue on a horse once he suspects that his mount was injured, for his own sake if not the horse and certainly not in this case where he could potentially sacrifice riding the winner of the national the very next day.
They are bound to back them up, I reckon he heard a crack.
Thats the bottom line though, reckon he heard a crack, aside from needing probable bionic hearing through all that noise, that's just melodrama, nothing can be done, there is absolutely no case to answer, if we are going to lurch into supposition I'm going to hazard a guess that no jockey on the planet would continue on a horse once he suspects that his mount was injured, for his own sake if not the horse and certainly not in this case where he could potentially sacrifice riding the winner of the national the very next day.
You’ve tried that but in another way when saying that he wouldn’t put himself in danger, but the fence was cleared, he was in the lead and bummed a likely injured horse to a victory when the money was down.
I don’t need to suppose anything other than what actually happened and added to that the commentator who said, “oh no” (or words to the effect) with a hundred yards to run and asked former great in Ruby before the winner had passed the line what might of gone wrong, is enough for me.
I don’t need to suppose anything other than what actually happened and added to that the commentator who said, “oh no” (or words to the effect) with a hundred yards to run and asked former great in Ruby before the winner had passed the line what might of gone wrong, is enough for me.
Ruby said Pelvis as I’ve said, but I’m not a vet were his words in real time, so it was apparent to two knowledgeable people that something had happened and that’s not supposition.
He cleared the fence, but I disagree with your assertion that he was no longer in danger in riding an injured horse to the line, if the horse collapsed under him which any sensible person would have to believe was likely then he could have been injured.
Again we are dragged kicking and screaming back to the expert who says that the horse ran straight to the line, that is a matter of fact and can be shown, if he says he believes the jockey then that's the end of it, it's really very simple.
Again we are dragged kicking and screaming back to the expert who says that the horse ran straight to the line, that is a matter of fact and can be shown, if he says he believes the jockey then that's the end of it, it's really very simple.
Duffy you’ve tried to convince me and my mind is made up, without the report, it’s easier to jump off if need be as many do so I’m not thinking that he would of considered his safety having cleared the fence.
Just the angle that he landed was enough to tell him that it weren’t good, these are horsemen and they know.
That’s the point about what happened and was said live between commentator and ex greatest jumps jock I’ve seen.
Just the angle that he landed was enough to tell him that it weren’t good, these are horsemen and they know.
That’s the point about what happened and was said live between commentator and ex greatest jumps jock I’ve seen.
I was behind time when I saw the op say , “He must have known”
I didn’t know what to expect, there’s not much said after early on on here, I thought it’d hacked up, so watched and well my reaction says it all.
Thanks for the discussion it’s refreshing to have real talk.
I didn’t know what to expect, there’s not much said after early on on here, I thought it’d hacked up, so watched and well my reaction says it all.
Thanks for the discussion it’s refreshing to have real talk.
I know what Given was wheeled out to say, that was the 'party' line. He is not independent.
Charlie Marshall, the rider of the winner, GO ON CHEZ, had continued in the race when the horse appeared to have no more to give after barely being able to negotiate the final fence.
12 day maximum ban.
In that example, the jockey felt the horse was fine to continue as well. Only in that case, the horse was uninjured, but they threw the book at him anyway. As he is an easy target for a kicking, unlike PT.
The key point that I keep referring back to is that nobody knew how injured Gold Dancer was, least of all PT. He chose to gamble that he wasn't badly injured and carried on riding a finish. The outcome of that gamble can only be identified AFTER he started riding again. My view is that he must have known that there was a risk of significant injury.
Charlie Marshall, the rider of the winner, GO ON CHEZ, had continued in the race when the horse appeared to have no more to give after barely being able to negotiate the final fence.
12 day maximum ban.
In that example, the jockey felt the horse was fine to continue as well. Only in that case, the horse was uninjured, but they threw the book at him anyway. As he is an easy target for a kicking, unlike PT.
The key point that I keep referring back to is that nobody knew how injured Gold Dancer was, least of all PT. He chose to gamble that he wasn't badly injured and carried on riding a finish. The outcome of that gamble can only be identified AFTER he started riding again. My view is that he must have known that there was a risk of significant injury.
And I do concede that it is a split second decision, I don't blame PT for getting it wrong. That does not however mean that no sanction is appropriate. I do blame rtv for ducking it entirely and trying to gaslight their audience, and the two tier approach from the BHA. They are essentially claiming if the horse in Marshall's example had jumped the fence well, they would have found him to have done nothing wrong. Sorry that is cakeism.
it's not 1920's Chicago
Duffy that’s quite a statement and the truth is that it is.
I highlighted before the Gold Cup that The Jukeblxman man had had a respiratory problem leading up to the Goldcup. Showed how said horse was tipped up by Pat C & the bet unfair Bod.
All that and no question was asked about the horses wellbeing in the lead up. The news that the joint 2nd fav had indeed missed work didn’t surface until after the day of the race.
All at ITV ducked asking about and this is key, the horses wellbeing in the lead up on the day of the race despite interviewing the trainer and owner.
Instead we had a sweet narrative of the so called National Treasure East London boy done good having a runner in the prestigious event.
The horse was run in a gruelling race despite missing work due to respiratory problems a week out, all for an owner to have a day out. (The horse had missed last year’s festival and isn’t getting younger nor is the owner.)
Add to that the Derby fav being trounced yesterday as he was at odds on on his debut, but it’s ok was, “ slowly away..” according to Moore and I think that you’ll see from some view points this very much does look like Chicago from the 1920’s!
Duffy that’s quite a statement and the truth is that it is.
I highlighted before the Gold Cup that The Jukeblxman man had had a respiratory problem leading up to the Goldcup. Showed how said horse was tipped up by Pat C & the bet unfair Bod.
All that and no question was asked about the horses wellbeing in the lead up. The news that the joint 2nd fav had indeed missed work didn’t surface until after the day of the race.
All at ITV ducked asking about and this is key, the horses wellbeing in the lead up on the day of the race despite interviewing the trainer and owner.
Instead we had a sweet narrative of the so called National Treasure East London boy done good having a runner in the prestigious event.
The horse was run in a gruelling race despite missing work due to respiratory problems a week out, all for an owner to have a day out. (The horse had missed last year’s festival and isn’t getting younger nor is the owner.)
Add to that the Derby fav being trounced yesterday as he was at odds on on his debut, but it’s ok was, “ slowly away..” according to Moore and I think that you’ll see from some view points this very much does look like Chicago from the 1920’s!
his loyalty is to the horse
Their loyalty is to their jobs and that’s all of them.
Any other stance is just very trusting and lot of what you’ve said is Duffy and you don’t sound like a mug, I hate this cyclical viewpoint that I’ve expressed but it’s all in black and white and actually happened and far from fantasy sadly.
Their loyalty is to their jobs and that’s all of them.
Any other stance is just very trusting and lot of what you’ve said is Duffy and you don’t sound like a mug, I hate this cyclical viewpoint that I’ve expressed but it’s all in black and white and actually happened and far from fantasy sadly.
He did know something was likely to be wrong. Just not exactly what.
If a horse is potentially kicked at the start, they don't just depend on the jockey's view. These are not idiots, I think he must have known that some kind of damage was likely, but as the race was on a plate and no more jumps left he took the gamble to carry on. I'm certain that if it had happened at the 3rd, he would have pulled up. History suggests he has done exactly that in the past.
If a horse is potentially kicked at the start, they don't just depend on the jockey's view. These are not idiots, I think he must have known that some kind of damage was likely, but as the race was on a plate and no more jumps left he took the gamble to carry on. I'm certain that if it had happened at the 3rd, he would have pulled up. History suggests he has done exactly that in the past.
“it's not 1920's Chicago…”
Was hoping you’d post us something about the dodgy going ons back in March Duffy
Was hoping you’d post us something about the dodgy going ons back in March Duffy
Where's the post gone? Betfair obviously not fans of The Untouchables.
Btw did you read what happened to your namesake? Was kidnapped!
The post has been removed or am I going even more loony than I already was
Delashay • April 13, 2026 7:22 AM BST
it's not 1920's Chicago
Duffy that’s quite a statement and the truth is that it is.
I highlighted before the Gold Cup that The Jukeblxman man had had a respiratory problem leading up to the Goldcup. Showed how said horse was tipped up by Pat C & the bet unfair Bod.
All that and no question was asked about the horses wellbeing in the lead up. The news that the joint 2nd fav had indeed missed work didn’t surface until after the day of the race.
All at ITV ducked asking about and this is key, the horses wellbeing in the lead up on the day of the race despite interviewing the trainer and owner.
Instead we had a sweet narrative of the so called National Treasure East London boy done good having a runner in the prestigious event.
The horse was run in a gruelling race despite missing work due to respiratory problems a week out, all for an owner to have a day out. (The horse had missed last year’s festival and isn’t getting younger nor is the owner.)
Add to that the Derby fav being trounced yesterday as he was at odds on on his debut, but it’s ok was, “ slowly away..” according to Moore and I think that you’ll see from some view points this very much does look like Chicago from the 1920’s!
Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • April 13, 2026 7:32 AM BST
his loyalty is to the horse
Their loyalty is to their jobs and that’s all of them.
Any other stance is just very trusting and lot of what you’ve said is Duffy and you don’t sound like a mug, I hate this cyclical viewpoint that I’ve expressed but it’s all in black and white and actually happened and far from fantasy sadly.
it's not 1920's Chicago
Duffy that’s quite a statement and the truth is that it is.
I highlighted before the Gold Cup that The Jukeblxman man had had a respiratory problem leading up to the Goldcup. Showed how said horse was tipped up by Pat C & the bet unfair Bod.
All that and no question was asked about the horses wellbeing in the lead up. The news that the joint 2nd fav had indeed missed work didn’t surface until after the day of the race.
All at ITV ducked asking about and this is key, the horses wellbeing in the lead up on the day of the race despite interviewing the trainer and owner.
Instead we had a sweet narrative of the so called National Treasure East London boy done good having a runner in the prestigious event.
The horse was run in a gruelling race despite missing work due to respiratory problems a week out, all for an owner to have a day out. (The horse had missed last year’s festival and isn’t getting younger nor is the owner.)
Add to that the Derby fav being trounced yesterday as he was at odds on on his debut, but it’s ok was, “ slowly away..” according to Moore and I think that you’ll see from some view points this very much does look like Chicago from the 1920’s!
Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • April 13, 2026 7:32 AM BST
his loyalty is to the horse
Their loyalty is to their jobs and that’s all of them.
Any other stance is just very trusting and lot of what you’ve said is Duffy and you don’t sound like a mug, I hate this cyclical viewpoint that I’ve expressed but it’s all in black and white and actually happened and far from fantasy sadly.
MJK • April 12, 2026 4:23 PM BST
Johann could you save everyone time and bullshit and just say you hate Townend. It's as simple as that isn't it. No need for the waffle. I suspect you and the other one are one and the same poster anyway so just be honest. Anyone who thinks Townend isn't in a class of his own as a current NH jockey has serious anger issues or worse. I suspect worse.
Johann can you confirm that you are one of one?
Likes to concoct things this one don’t he!
Johann could you save everyone time and bullshit and just say you hate Townend. It's as simple as that isn't it. No need for the waffle. I suspect you and the other one are one and the same poster anyway so just be honest. Anyone who thinks Townend isn't in a class of his own as a current NH jockey has serious anger issues or worse. I suspect worse.
Johann can you confirm that you are one of one?
Likes to concoct things this one don’t he!
I'm a jumps man Del, you clearly favour the flat.
Stats are always interesting for comparison purposes...
AP McCoy 4358/17630 24%
Paul Townend 1557/7246 21%
So AP rode at a higher percentage in more competitive racing against better jockeys (over a longer period).
Also interesting to note...
Paul Townend for W.Mullins 34%
Paul Townend for other trainers 12%
So good on steering jobs but not much else.
That's the difference between a good jockey and a great one.
Stats are always interesting for comparison purposes...
AP McCoy 4358/17630 24%
Paul Townend 1557/7246 21%
So AP rode at a higher percentage in more competitive racing against better jockeys (over a longer period).
Also interesting to note...
Paul Townend for W.Mullins 34%
Paul Townend for other trainers 12%
So good on steering jobs but not much else.
That's the difference between a good jockey and a great one.
Thanks Johann great stats as they were yesterday for Doyle elsewhere.
And you’re right I’ve said before I’m not a jumps fan and love the flat.
“So AP rode at a higher percentage in more competitive racing against better jockeys (over a longer period).”
I agree that he raced against much better jocks back then than what we have now, I’ve watched it so can compare even if I’m not a big bettor or fan of it.
Be lucky and thanks!
And you’re right I’ve said before I’m not a jumps fan and love the flat.
“So AP rode at a higher percentage in more competitive racing against better jockeys (over a longer period).”
I agree that he raced against much better jocks back then than what we have now, I’ve watched it so can compare even if I’m not a big bettor or fan of it.
Be lucky and thanks!
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