Andrews 2026 Lay/Racing Thread

Sadly I did

Good morning Guys,

Many thanks for the posts, appreciated as always. The lay selection was beaten, albeit not by one i thought would win, but i did mention he wasn't out of it by any means.

A summary of my Newbury trip last Saturday. A nice afternoon, although train delays resulted in arriving about 10 minutes before the opener that i particularly wanted to watch, but i managed to get to the course in time. My bets were always going to be those posted here the day before, so i backed Kalpana. She ran well to make her challenge between runners and initially skip clear, but tired late on due to lack of a run, although held on from a fitter rival.

This got me off to a winning start, or so i thought. For the first time in decades of betting, i couldn't find my betting slip, i searched my clothing, the ground around me, retraced my steps etc, so i went back to the bookmaker. She advised me to contact the ring inspector, i did and she requested to see all the bets on the race from the bookmaker. Mine was 110/100, there were only 4 such bets and all had been paid, so obviously someone had found the ticket, but sadly some punters are not so honest.

I often take photos of my bets, the decent ones at least, to avoid any risk of arguments (never occured yet) but on this occasion the race had just started when i took my place in the stand to watch it. It was sods law, at least i had a chance of claiming if i had got to the bookmaker before the other person, but i had wasted time looking for it.

My next bet at least recovered most of the stake i had lost, an EW on More Thunder who ran on strongly to finish runner-up, but was never going to catch the Appleby winner. A couple of small bets on Sintra and Blue RC went down, although i thought Hollie was going to win on the first one when she took it up. As for Blue RC, i thinks he's just entering the final furlong now.

I backed Man City at HT (10/11) to win in 90 minutes that put me in front a little, but i had a stroke of luck in the last race. My mate (Fellowship Racing) wanted to stay, but i wasn't really interested. i looked at the field, albeit not in detail, didn't fancy anything, but saw Euston Hall had improved for each of 3 runs, winning a maiden and might be well handicapped on debut. I only had a tenner win, more in hope than confidence and a runner to watch, but he made most of the running and won.

We met Laurie Williamson (Brigust1 on here) i hadn't seen him for a while so it was good to catch up, although he contributes to my WhatsApp group.

I'm eagerly waiting for the Prix Du Jockey Club declarations at Chantilly (run next Sunday) in particular Constitution River, as mentioned before, a horse i followed last year and have backed AP at 16/1 for Epsom (win only). More likely to run in France though due to the shorter trip, but it's not a given just yet. His win at Chester was franked by Golden Story at Goodwood yesterday who was 9.75L back in 3rd then. In my eyes, he will win either race so i may go wherever he runs. Our syndicate filly, Lady Of Clover will be entered for Windsor on the following Monday evening from Epsom, i will not want to miss that.

On to today, good cards at the Curragh and Longchamp and AOB could have another decent haul of winners, I think True Love wins the 1000 Guineas (16.30) but i've only backed the 2/TBP. I will also be backing another of his shorties to win Great Barrier Reef (14.15). Impressive on his only run to date on soft going, he recorded the quickest final furlong sectional on the card that day; if he wins will almost certainly become favourite for the Coventry stakes at RA.

At Longchamp, one of my favourite fillies Aventure runs in the G2 Prix Corrida and has the short priced favourite Sunly to beat, trained by the best over there in Francis Graffard and a trainer i follow a lot. Aventure should have been 2nd behind Daryz LTO, in my opinion it was a poor ride by Stefan Pasquier, but Maxime Guyon is back on board this afternoon and i will have a small win.

As for a lay selection, i think Jancis (15.20 Curragh) is one, even though i have backed her a few times in the past. Not many got into the race at Newmarket LTO that was over a furlong further and she was only 5th in this last year. Currently just outside my odds limit for a dedicated lay post, but i will watch the odds and look at other races. I doubt i will be watching much racing thos afternon anyway due to the summer weather.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

2026 Lay P/L Status

Current Progress	3/4
Running Form	WLWW
Daily Profit	£50
Running P/L	+£52

Running form relates to the bet, not the result.

Hi AIS, thanks for your update and thoughts as always. May I ask is Lady of Clover your only horse in training and is she still scheduled to run at Windsor in June, I did notice you took her out of the Bath race.

Thank you ANDREW

Aventure

May 24, 2026 -- 2:58PM, Lampus wrote:

Aventure

And Great Barrier Reef

Thank  you ANDREW   Jancis  Lay

Good evening Guys,

Many thanks for the posts, much appreciated.

A decent afternoon betting wise with all 4 selections paying out, but my loudest cheer was for the well backed Aventure, one of my favourite fillies and one who never gets the media attention she deserves; always runs a solid race with exception of last years Arc where she was poorly drawn. The form line will show she only won by 3/4L, but the reality is she coasted home with Maxine nonchalantly looking over his shoulder twice after going clear in the final 200 metres, almost daring the field to catch up, and easing close home. She won the race last year when it was run at Saint Cloud, she's a G1 winner (Prix Vermeille) runner-up in an Arc and only twice finished out of the first 3. I would love to see her win an Arc, but this is doubtful, in fact, i feel 10f and 11f are her optimal trips.

Great Barrier Reef missed the break and was Green, but still looked good winning. He's probably the best 2 year old colt seen to date. Short odds, but i backed at slightly better.

True Love was 2nd in the Guineas, but as mentioned i only backed the 2/TBP anyway. I didn't want to back Precise, but thought she would get much closer to TL this time and would the draw play a part as they were on opposite sides.

As for the lay selection Jancis (2/1 jf) a case of deja vu, 5th in the race last year, same today. Happy days.

Gazza66,

Correct, Lady Of Clover is my only runner at present. Those in the past were Salamanca Lad and Calibos (both with Dan and Claire Kübler) and Agouti Bear in Ireland with Danny Murphy, but now retired for breeding. Salamanca Lad runs in Bahrain and Calibos has started a hurdling career with Jo Davis.

Lady Of Clover has been withdrawn from a few races recently, all down to firm going. She may be entered at Windsor on Monday June 8th in the finale (20.39 unless the race time is moved) but again will be ground dependant and looking at the previous 4 course fixtures in May, all were on G/F that is not ideal. Good would be OK, but George Scott will let us know in good time. I will be going, even if LoC doesn't run, i like Windsor, albeit not so much from a betting perspective.

Have a nice Sunday evening all.

ttt

Not the best Saturday's racing?

Afternoon PHS

Thanks.

A dire afternoon of racing with only a few i would even be remotely interested in backing, but to date only a single play and that was in the Swedish Allsvenkan football league, Sirius to beat AIK away (backed at 2.14). Just kicked off so i hope they don't score whilst i'm typing as it could look like aftertiming

The only runners i thought had some sort of chance of winning was Matteo (Beverley 2.48) although the price has gone, and Lucky Sevens (Lingfield 17.42).

Maybe more later, roll on Chantilly tomorrow.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

WD Andrew.

On a roll Andrew.

Good morning Guys,

PHS/EMR thank you. I'm having a good run in recent weeks, but we all have them at times; hopefully it continues, but it's poor racing domestically this afternoon.

3 selections yesterday, Sirius won 3-0 away to AIK (Allsvenskan league) and although easy to say after the event, i was surprised they were odds against (backed @ 2.14). I don't play Swedish football teams that often and only did this time as i'm home this weekend and thought the odds were too big, even posting them on my WhatsApp group Friday, so a lucky break.

AIK (based in Stockholm) are generally not a bad side often qualifying for the minor European leagues and have been champions in the past, but this season they are poor, currently in 11th place (of 16) whereas Sirius can't stop winning with a 9-1-0 record so far and well clear at the top. Scottish posters may know of Robbie Ure (ex-Rangers) who plays for them and is one of the leading scorers in the league.

Matteo made most of the running at Beverley to beat the well overpriced 50/1 runner Ronson @ 11/10f albeit subject to a R4.

Lucky Stevens (11/4) finished 5th, no excuses, simply not good enough.

I looked through this afternoons domestic racecards last night, but there wasn't anything that jumped off the page, but as often French racing is a savior with the Prix du Jockey Club (Derby) card including 5 group races and 2 listed class. Regular readers of my threads know i follow the French racing scene a lot and Longchamp is not only my favourite course, but one i've attended more than any other anywhere. I saw Enable win at Chantilly, but that was my only time there, a nice course in a beautiful setting.

I was at Longchamp for the Guineas meeting when Afjan finished runner-up @ 15/2 (posted on here) last month behind the rejuventated Rayevka who looks a sprinter to follow and is entered for the Kings Charles III stakes on the opening day at RA. The short priced Aga Khan favourite was always going to be difficult to beat that day, and so it turned out with Mickael Barzalona coming from almost last to first with a late run. Afjan dwelt a little, but ran well and actually took the lead appoaching the 200 metre pole, but the favourite was travelling strongly and looked the likely winner from some way out. No Aga Khan hot-pot opposing in the G3 sprint (14.53) today, although Francis Graffard has a runner in Moojeed, but Afjan has the likely favourite Sajir with Oisin on board to beat; i think Afjan will win. Currently 15/8 with the books.

I wanted Constitution River to run at Epsom as i had an AP bet (16/1) but it wasn't a surprise when AOB decided on Chantilly and it's probably the correct decision. If he had been drawn in the lower half, i was even thinking to go there, i really like the horse, but 15 is a negative, although not insurmountable by any means.

French races are rarely run at a strong pace from the onset, turning into a sprint finish, although there are the occasional exceptions of course. It's a flat track, more galloping with a straight of well over 200 metres before start of the sweeping bend and a 600 metre run-in with a slight rise.

The trip of 2100 metres (10.5f) is not an issue, nor is the going currently 3.3 (G/S) but we all know that France Galop descriptions are farcical compared to ours at times. Tactics will have been discussed of course and could even change directly after the start, but i doubt Ryan with do a 'Frankie' on Golden Horn (aka the Arc). AOB has 3 entered, one of whom has a winning chance, but the other could be used to assist Ryan tucking in closer to the inside, although not on the rail as he did with Camillo Pissaro last year. Ace Impact came from almost last postion down the middle in 2023, although he was drawn in 8.

Another factor in the equation is Constitution River has always raced up with the pace and with exception of his debut at Newmarket (12) in small fields.

I've been a follower of him since his debut at Newmarket last year, i think he could turn out to be very good, but he will need to be out of stall 15. Having said that i'm of the opinion that the really good ones can win from adverse draws. If he's in contention off the bend i think he will win cosily, it's not a particularly strong field although the Francis Graffard trained Daryzan looked good when winning his only race, albeit a maiden at Saint Cloud.

I feel the French runners are the main rivals opposed to the others, including the unbeaten German runner Gostam. I was at Müchen/Riem racecourse when he won last month, i went specifically to back it based on his previous win at Cologne. Won well enough, maybe a little more cosily than it looked, but he was 7/10f and it wasn't a particulary strong field. Connections said post-race they were going to be more 'adventerous`with him and we have seen German runners do well at Longchamp before, but i can't see him winning, although it wouldn't be a complete shock.

We all have occasions when we feel a particular horse we like and think could be very good, so we back accordingly. Sometimes we are right, sometimes wrong, that's what makes the game so interesting; this afternoon is one such occasion for me.

Moving on, my syndicate filly Lady Of Clover is entered at Wolverhampton on Tuesday (20.00) a classifed stakes over 10.5f. The original plan was for a handicap at Windsor on Monday 8th June, but this is still on the cards if she comes out of her race OK. I will be going to Windsor (not Wolverhampton) irrespective of whether she runs there or not.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

a classifed stakes over 8.5f.

Nice write up Andrew.

Thank you ANDREW g/l 

Draw problem, what problem

WD with CR Andrew

Moving on, my syndicate filly Lady Of Clover is entered at Wolverhampton on Tuesday (20.00) a classifed stakes over 10.5f. The original plan was for a handicap at Windsor on Monday 8th June, but this is still on the cards if she comes out of her race OK. I will be going to Windsor (not Wolverhampton) irrespective of whether she runs there or not.

19:30

Good Evening Guys,

PHS, Lampus and EMR many thanks for the posts, appreciated. PHS, maybe BHA moved the race time, but based on previous posts, i suspect there's a chance it was me and lack of concentration .

A couple of selections on Sunday, both to win at Chantilly although the first one was going against a 30/100f, at least on the PMU. The selection Afjan (7/2) an an odd race, broke well enough although never dominated, dropped back to last, ran on late, but was short of room when trying to make resemblance of a challenge and was eased. I doubt it made any difference to the result, the winner was the class horse in the field, hence the odds and won well to be fair. 

I had been looking forward to watching Constitution River ever since AOB declared him for Chantilly, although i wanted him at Epsom of course, and any thoughts of lumping on were subsequently dampened by an adverse draw in 15. I don't need to reiterate i follow him and think he's really good, so a draw in the lower half would have really tempted me to go to Chantilly with a few quid in my pocket. I gave it a lot of thought, the stats were against him, but as i mentioned, not insurmountable by any means and contrary to what was being said, it had been done before, in fact several have won the race from double figure draws, just not recently. This was almost a case of deja vu with Golden Horn who won the Arc from 14 with an inspired ride by Frankie.

The Prix du Jockey Club tracking report for the race reveals that Montreal led from almost pillar to post, only dropping to 3rd in the final 200 metres (actually did well to stay there). Hawk Mountain was in 2nd place throughout. Constitution River was wide in 7th after 200 metres, 5th after 400, 3rd after 600 and stayed there until taking the lead in the final 200 metres. The envisaged pacemaker Hankelow was in 3rd up to 400 metres, then dropped back to 4th where he remained until 600 metres from home, gradually fading to finish 13th. The 2 Aga Kan runners were generally at the rear until making progress in the straight to finish 6th and 7th.

Whatever you think of the race per se, it was a masterstroke tactic, well executed, a good ride from Ryan and with the AOB outsider controlling the early steady pace giving time for CR to slowly make progress from out wide before moving in to join the field. Soumillon played his part on Hawk Mountain, although he was always going to keep up with the pace anyway, he had made all to win his previous 4 races, so no shock there. The winning time 2.18 seconds fast (over 10L) compared to standard and the only one under the latter. The 3rd fastest time in history of the race and as reported in the RP he covered more ground than the majority (4 metres in the case of Montreal) that was obvious anyway.

When i saw CR in 3rd place before the start of the sweeping bend, my confidence had grown. He doesn't have the immediate turn of foot aka Frankel, but he stays on strongly, and i always thought he would pick up the front couple. He won cosily, going away.

Of course, the media brought out all the superlatives post-race, much of them warranted, but he's not a superstar, at least not yet. As mentioned, i didn't think the field was so strong, although a few of them will improve later, and harder tasks await him. The Eclipse has been mentioned, it's the obvious race, but it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't run, he had a hard race and it could be a very good field. Having said that, i'm not suggesting he won't win, although i wouldn't be rushing into lump on at 5/2 just yet.

My opinion of CR hasn't changed, in fact the win has reinforced it, i think he will end up as AOB's best 3 year-old and possibly the best in Europe, albeit it's too early to suggest the latter as Francis Graffard has a few decent ones, colts and fillies.

I won a nice few quid and the BF/BSP was better than expected, but the result was also welcomed by the guys i go racing with, 3 other posters on here and a few in Fellowship Racing.

6 of us are going to Longchamp for the Arc that has become a bit of a pilgrimage in recent years so we decided to have a fun betting exercise to see if we could win and supplement food and drink expenses. We had a 24-week span starting in April, so we broke it down into weekly rounds with a £60 bet on any sport, backing or laying (it can be 2 x £30). The process gets repeated over the forthcoming weeks, so the 6 of us make 4 bets in total during the 24 sweek period. The stake and any winnings go into the kitty. To date, nobody has lost the full stake, although i think 3 may have lost one bet and recovered with the other. It was my turn last week, so i went all in on Constitution River, happy days. I'm curious how we end up at end of September, it's not a competition; the goal is to make a profit each week, although i doubt that will occur. Week 9 started yesterday so a long way to go, but a lot of fun.

AOB was not the only trainer to raid Europe and return with Euros, Charlie Johnston won the G2 German 1000 at Dusseldorf with Timeforshowcasing, but consider the difference in winning prize money £60,869 v £297,727 at Newmarket, although it's G1 of course.

Our filly, Lady Of Clover runs at Wolverhampton (19.30) this evening and the field doesn't look strong by any means (in context of the race type) there's a lot of dead wood in it, but we are running in this classified stakes class for a reason. Prize money for the bread and butter racing is poor compared to France and Ireland, but £4,710 tonight is more than many such races.

I think the backing for Nightmare in our race (conceding 12 lb to us) is a bit overdone and i will certainly be laying this one. A 16 race maiden, 4 runs at Wolverhampton with the best a 4th place and was last of 11 there last time. In 11 runs since being given a rating, has never run to a mark higher than his previous race. Currently 5/2 with the books, but close to 3.9 om here.

One of our ex-runners, Calibos (then with Dan and Claire Kübler) is running at Uttoxeter on Thursday.

Good luck and have a nice Tuesday all.

Thank you   ANDREW   G/L

THANK YOU ANDREW

Well done Andrew & thank you

Lady Of Clover wins for us

wd Andrew did it nicely

Glad that she won for you Andrew.

Congratulations Andrew.

congrats on lady of clover .............. celebrate and enjoy !

congrats on lady of clover .............. celebrate and enjoy !

Congrats Andrew. As you say, winner's prize money generous for a Classified race.

Congratulations Andrew / Fellowship Racing

At this rate it won't be long before you have a reputation for being shrewd at the sales like the Horse Watchers

If you own a rnr in any grade of race & it wins no doubt it feels good.
wd
   GL.

Good evening Guys,

Many thanks for the kind posts, always appreciated.

I think it was George B who used to say ‘a pleasing thread’ (something like that) or maybe it was Delta (we never hear from him these days). Another profitable post yesterday with the lay of the 2/1f Nightmare at Wolverhampton in our race (i can’t really claim Lady Of Clover as a win bet selection) but what a night for Fellowship Racing, even if none of us were actually there for varying reasons. It was odd watching the parade ring before the race and not seeing any owner representation apart from the trainer and jockey.

The race went more or less as planned earlier, George always sends us a video or audio in the morning, and someone sends us the post-race jockey interviews later.


She was a bit keen early, but always prominent at a moderate pace and got a nice run on the rail off the final bend, hung to her right once she took the lead, but she’s still a bit green and learning her job. She’s relatively lightly raced, 7 runs, 6 of them for us since February and now she’s finally got her head in front could progress. It wasn’t a strong field for the class by any means, but she’s a trier that’s for sure and Liam said she stayed on strongly and would be OK stepping up another furlong.

The Fellowship Racing philosophy is to buy a horse at the Newmarket HIT sales in October from a pre-selected short list of potential buys that could improve with a step up in trip. One of the reasons for choosing Dan and Claire Kübler (previous runners) and George Scott is they share our interest in ‘cadence’ and ‘stride length’ as well as speed figures, Simon Rowlands (ex-Timeform) often posts related articles on the ATR site. The recent data (including last night) supports Liam's comment about stepping up another furlong would not be an issue. Cadence and stride patterns are not set in stone exactly, and not always confirmation of what is expected, but they have certainly worked for us. Salamanca Lad ran up a hat-trick after stepping up in trip (and nearly won a 4th) Calibos also won over 10f and now Lady Of Clover over 8.5f, so we have certainly been lucky as owners.

I also had Agouti Bear in Ireland (Kildare Racing) she also won and ran well on debut at the Curragh. Many owners never get to win a race at all, i’ve won 6 now, the same as Fellowship Racing if you include Sense Of Security, their first one that i wasn’t involved with).

She’s entered up at Leicester, Yarmouth and Windsor (sorry Royal Windsor) in the forthcoming week and i hope she runs at the latter on Monday. If so, i will be going (i may go even if she doesn’t run) as i will be staying at a Heathrow airport hotel, very convenient as it’s almost a hop, skip and jump away. I like Windsor anyway, although it’s not a course i would be betting too heavy at. Certainly a travelling month as i want to go to Longchamp next weekend for the Prix Diane meeting, although no flight ticket booked yet. It looks a decent card, 3 group races, 4 if you include the Arab Derby and a listed class.

I should have posted Nightmare as a lay post yesterday, but was more interested in the race proceedings. A potential lay this evening is Dreams Ka (19.30 Warwick) raised 12lb and up in class. Always a risk laying one of Dans and he has a short priced favourite in 4 of the 6 races where he has a runner. Looks quite a close and tricky handicap.

George, not in their class yet, but working on it

Penzance, exactly, we may only be winning low class races, but when we do, the feeling is no different that John Magnier feels winning the Derby.

Good luck and have a nice evening all.

Well done with your horse Andrew and your lay today.

Lay Post

Goodwood - 4.45 Hamish

A 10 year old Motivator gelding trained by William Haggas at Newmarket.

One of flat racings' most popular and well liked horses, including by myself, so laying him today is with reservation, but unfortunately age catches up with all of us (don't i know it).

Winner of this race last year, 2/2 on course and revels in soft/heavy conditions.

His win here on season debut last year hasn't been franked and this afternoon may be the time to take him on. Carries a group race penalty so concedes 5 lb to the field including his fitter stablemate who ran well at Newbury LTO.

It's certainly not a match by any means, layers have 5 on their side, although i can't really see the 2 outsiders winning.

There doesn't appear to be much pace in the field, so could be tactical and turn into a sprint.

A classy horse on his day, but i feel today he will not be winning

Lay @ 3.10

Good luck all

More later

Thank you  ANDREW

Well  done ANDREW  sadly i did not lay  it
it is one of my favs
but i did cut stake because of you
so THANKS

WD Andrew

I laid at 2.86 matched at 16:40. A minute or so later it was 3.25.

Jun 7, 2026 -- 11:34AM, Andrew-In-Sweden wrote:

More later

Hope you're ok Andrew.

Good morning guys,

The lay selection Hamish (2/1) finished 2nd, although to be honest layers may have got lucky as he hung a bit in the final furlong, but rallied late and only lost by a neck. He always runs his race and it appears he has not lost zest for the game at 10 years old. Having sad that, luck comes and goes and yesterday it favoured me.

I arrived at Heathrow early Saturday morning, the plan was to watch our filly Lady Of Clover run at Windsor this evening, she was entered, but George has not declared and prefers Yarmouth on Wednesday, that's actually a better option and 2 more recovery days after last Tuesday, so although i was initially disappointed, i'm now considering taking a few days away from the office, staying here and going to watch her. I've never been to Yarmouth, so another racecourse box ticked off although i haven't been to that many in England anyway.

A good couple of days betting wise, apologies for the after-timing, but from what i understand it's almost mandatory here anyway . One runner i always wanted to lay leading up to the Classic on Saturday was Item, i was convinced, although the win odds were higher than i often play, but thanks to the RF post race, reduced to 4.36 and 4.50 with 2.08 for the 3/TBP, not that it mattered in the end. I also backed the 2 French Open tennis favs in a double, both short odds, but the bet paid almost 1/2. I had already backed Zverev on Wednesday at 1.60, and icing on the cake was Antonelli in the Monaco GP, who was always going to be difficult to pass with pole position in a car that is superior to others at the moment. It wasn't a case of everything i backed paid out, i lost on a few others, but a reasonable profit overall on the 2 days.

Unfortunately i didn't back Bay City Roller (never was a fan of the band) from Georges stable, although it was well-backed. Mind you, i think all the Epsom form on Saturday can be treated with a pinch of salt.

I may go to Windsor this evening even though LoC is not declared, it's close to where i'm staying and i like it there. As mentioned before, it's low-tier racing and not a course to be lumping on, but when the weather is good, it's a nice evening.

I went through all the cards last night and thought Dreambird Dolly (Leicester 17.10) was a potential lay, it was favourite at the time, but has drifted to 4.50, so i can't use that one as a lay post. Billy Loughnane is Fellowship Racing favourite jockey, riding 2 winners for us, but i thought another of his rides was also a lay Katch Above (14.00).

As i have plenty of free time i can look again after breakfast, but i may go up to the RAF museum at Hendon, i've been before, but not for years and being an aerospace nerd is a good way to wile away a few hours and it's not so far to travel.

2026 Lay P/L Status

Current Progress	4/5
Running Form	WLWWW
Daily Profit	£50
Running P/L	+£102

Form refers to the bet

EMR, Lampus and PHS, many thanks for the posts, appreciated.

Lampus

I know what you mean with respect to Hamish, a favourite with many of us, including me, but i simply saw it as an opportunity to lay him on season debut. WD on reducing your stake anyway.

PHS 

WD with the bet. I'm absolutely fine, enjoying time in the west of London with an occasional English food fix, but also watching a few races in a Korals shop and athletics from Stockholm where the lovely Kelly Hodgkinson came 2nd, additonally looking at alternative flight plans. I was meant to be returning home on Tuesday morning, but in view of Lady Of Clover not running at Windsor and going to Yarmouth, i may stay on a few more days, so i can go with a few of the team.

Good luck and have a nice Monday all.

AiS, not sure if you drive but if you are going to Yarmouth by train it is a divil of a journey. You'd be needing to set off at dawn tbh. Also not a great viewing course but you may think differently. When I went, to be fair, it was a lovely day and I couldn't be bothered trying to get some elevation in the stands. But from the members lawn you see little, albeit there is a screen of course. Have a good day if you go.

Andrew-In-Sweden • June 8, 2026 1:19 PM BST
Delashay

Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job?

No, i wasn't really interested in the Epsom Derby anyway except for a few lays of Item. I rarely post on other threads anyway, occasionally due to time constraints and several are simply a collection of childish bickering anyway as i pointed out. I have a WhatsApp group with quite a few BF posters anyway, some of the better ones and we actually discuss racing without having a pop.

Impossible123

the poster is still terribly aggrieved and offended because I objected to him posting incessant 'lay' bets on a discussion thread for self-interest.

I certanly am not aggrieved, or even remotely offended, in fact i do not give one iota. My reason for posting a reponse to your comments occasionally is the same as others, complete hogwash. As for my lay threads being self-interest, sure they are, i've been posting them since 2018.


If you had as you say no interest in the Derby then there was no need to correct someone who’ve you had a pop at more than once before.

If you don’t like his posts ignore them but don’t call people out as you have done me when all I’ve done is not let a troll stop me from posting as they’d very much like.

Grass Alert

impossible123 • April 30, 2026 4:52 PM BST
This meeting is strictly for the Irish. And, outside Ireland little or no interest even from British trainers. A meeting too far.


Report• Quote • Block User Andrew-In-Sweden • April 30, 2026 8:57 PM BST
This meeting is strictly for the Irish

You post some tosh as times and have obviously never been racing at Punchestown and seen how heavily supported it is by British punters, as is the DRF.

No need to pull others on what they do or have a, “Childish pop” yourself. If you weren’t interested in the Derby there was no need posting either just to correct a mistake that came about from a question from the forums biggest thread invader and wrecker!

Have some consistency.

Morven is 3.5 with Bet Boost at 365

^that's 5/2 to avoid confusion.

3.3 here and still 3.5 there

Its actually a nice little course and excellent fish and chip restaurant on the seafront after.

I presume you mean the regency

Where's Andrew's post gone?

Kalaglow

I guess there was a complaint and it was removed, absolutely ridiculous, but i have an idea who by.

I posted thanks to Donegal Prince

Luckily I got to read it before it was taken down. All the best for tomorrow.

Censorship gone mad.

Go on then, take this down as well!

I will try to post my thanks to DonegalPrince for his Yarmouth advice tomorrow, although it wasn't that that caught the moderators eye. By then they may have thought was it really necessary to take it down.

PHS

Exactly, but i don't give a toss to be honest, i have my WhatsApp group that doesn't have censorship, or needs it, we are grown adults, not flakes. I suspect that uptheirons post of 13.58 yesterday is valid and a couple of kittens were involved. I use the bold term loosly

Not a bother AiS. Just so dreadful that threads descend into nonsense. Not your fault. Do forgive me if I am over-pessimistic about Great Yarmouth. Having been to Epsom over the weekend where there was hardly a screen visible at all from the Queens Stand (@ £squillions a pop to get in), maybe GY isn't as bad as I recall in retrospect. tbh, I'd have needed a screen the size of the stand to see my selections on a hopelessly poor punting weekend. All the best.

Good morning guys,

An early start to the day and i will keep this short as i will be travelling soon. Thanks for the posts.

DonegalPrince

Many thanks for the Yarmouth heads-up yesterday, kind of you and much appreciated. The poster Lucky Luciano (also involved with our filly) is giving me a lift and we plan to set off mid-morning meeting up with several of Fellowship Racing team later; most are mainly friends who we go racing with quite a few times a year and not only in England. We're all staying overnight so it will be a good afternoon/evening with a few beers, plenty of laughs and banter.

I've never been to Yarmouth and it's my first time watching Lady Of Clover (17.20) so a couple of boxes ticked.

It's a stronger classified stakes than last time when she won, but she's the only winner among the 3-year olds, hence conceding a 6lb penalty and most of the older ones are well exposed with exception of one, who are conceding 5lb.

I see her main rivals coming from top and bottom of the weights with Desert Charm and Very Demure, the latter beat us a head at Yarmouth a couple of runs ago and receives 8lb taking the apprentice claims into consideration, but we may have been a little unlucky that day.

I suspect we will be one of the fancied ones, possibly even favourite, but it's an open classified stakes with 13 runners, so luck could be involved. I can see her finishing in the places, but if she runs well, we will be happy and it will be a fun afternoon.

The rest of the card is typical of a course aka Yarmouth with 4 low class handicaps, not my type of betting mediums, so any bets will be minimal with only fun stakes with the odd lay or 2, including Spritely Dance (16.50) who will probably be overbet.

Not many i fancy that strongly elsewhere, but maybe Nicky Hendrson could win the opener at Fontwell with Vicountess Nelson his sole runner of the day. She won a similar mares race cosily LTO and although conceding weight could be a little bit better than those in the field.

Good luck and have a nice Wednesday all.

My pic of the grandstand at Yarmouth has had over a million views on oogle maps, apparently, just sayin'. Its a nice place, friendly staff, good views of the course, have a great day

Good luck with the filly today Andrew.I've been to Yarmouth only once (early seventies) never backed a winner.
I have a couple of fancies today Beggarman and Carron two that I've been following that can win if showing their best form. Good Luck.

Good luck with your runner today Andrew.

Good morning Guys,

Many thanks for the posts. A summary of our day with Lady Of Clover.

Yarmouth as a coastal resort was more or less as i expected, similar to Blackpool and Southend, but to be honest we were only there for circa 21 hours in total and our actual time in the town was much less of course, so limited time to get to walk around. Our hotel was good, decent service, friendly staff, sea facing and a short walk to the centre; breakfast (served) was superb, we all agreed on this.

I will not be rushing back to the racecourse anytime soon, even if LoC runs there, it's fair trek from west of Heathrow where i'm staying, but to be fair we were looked after well in owners and the lunch/refreshments spread was good. We met up with Jason Weaver and a Sky cameraman before racing and had a chat, telling him we were there for our filly.

The weather was breezy and wet (cleared up after the last) not pleasant for watching racing, in fact we stayed in the owners lounge for the first 4 races and watched the racing on a screen. We went outside for the last 2 races, a couple of us had laid the favourite Spritely Dance in the penultimate race (finished 3rd) as per my earlier post and the final race was ours. One of the team and i were interviewed by Jason/Sky Racing in the parade ring pre-race.

We couldn't believe the backing for LoC, the best we saw was 6/4, but it seemed all the world and his brother wanted to get on, one of the team even saw 10/11. I didn't see her as so short a bet pre-race, certainly not the 11/10 SP.

The race didn't go to plan at all, she got clipped by the heels of one in front, losing momentum and Liam did well, but she was shuffled back to almost last. At 3f out, i felt she was beaten, although she made progress at the furlong pole and i thought she could get placed, but earlier events had an impact. She has a couple of nicks on her foreleg, but nothing to be concerned with and will have a short rest.

In my opinion she should have finished 2nd (she was 4th, close to the placers) but it's doubtful she would have beaten the winner in a clean race anyway who made a mockery of the handicap system. 3 runs, last everytime, 300/1 odds LTO. Rated 25 ! Well backed and wins very cosily. Ran again yesterday, well backed from odds against in the morning (BF) to a SP of 8/13. I think most of us were on her after watching on Wednesday.

Fish and chips, a few beers and playing pool made it a nice evening, in fact a really nice time per se in good company (5 of us).

I'm still staying close to Heathrow, so i was thinking of going to Sandown later, but i couldn't really see anthing i wanted to have a bet on to pay my extended hotel bill, i will decide over breakfast.

More later.

Lay Post

Legacy Link - 3.40 Royal Ascot

A 3 year old Dubawi filly trained by John and Thady Gosden in Newmarket.

Winner of 2 from 5, but took her form to a higher level when runner-up in the Epsom Oaks classic. Prior to this won the G1 Musidora stakes at York, but how good is this form, none of the field has franked it since.

Although the Epsom field was better, it was run on soft ground and there were several odd results that day, so it may transpire that form lines simply don’t get reproduced. Having said that, i’m not suggesting the winner wasn’t impressive, she certainly was. The Epsom race could have taken a fair bit out of her and it was only 13 days ago.

Only raced twice on going with firm in the description and didn’t win either.

Is the inside stall a benefit this afternoon ?

Not a bad field and quite open in my opinion, but i do like the Francis Graffard trained Gilded Prize who I thought was decent before her lack lustre run at Longchamp LTO. I was there and it was too bad to be true. Hopefully she’s on song today, but there are several in this field capable of winning.

Lay @ 2.82

Good luck all

Thank you ANDREW
But i hope you are wrong 

Good luck Lampus

Well  done with your lay ANDREW 

The crossed noseband came off in the stalls

Lampus

Unlucky, a decent filly, but i thought my reasoning was valid (although i don't always get it right of course).

Uptheirons

I didn't see the race, the German aerospace industry was not playing ball this afternoon quite often i can find an empty conference room to watch online, but not today.

It may have still lost but losing a crossed noseband is never an advantage,AIS.
Nevertheless,WD.

WD Andrew

It was a very good lay and well reasoned. WD.

Good morning Guys,

Thank you for the posts.

The lay post selection Legacy Link (13/8f) finished 7th in the Ribbledale on Thursday, i wish all lay shorties ran like that.

I had a very relaxing 10 day break in West London returning home on Monday night, much longer than planned due to Lady Of Clover not running at Windsor a week earlier. After going to Yarmouth to watch her run on the Wednesday and staying overnight, it was pointless going back to the office for one day, so i extended my stay yet again. I mentioned before that i wanted to go to Chantilly for the Prix Diane on Sunday and i could have gone from London and returned home from there of course, but although it was a decent card, i was only really interested in one runner, Diamond Necklace (a particular favourite of mine, regular readers know i'm a big fan) and i was content to stay where i was and watch online.

Royal Ascot has been good to me this week, not so many bets and most of them would have been picked by the majority on here anyway so i won't bore you with the all the aftertimes (there's enough on another thread ). Tuesday was a day that could have been well rewarded though, but was one of those days we all experience on occasion, close but not close enough, with a couple of runners i had seen on course in their previous races at Newbury and Longchamp, More Thunder and Rayevka EW in singles backed at much better odds the previous day. Both finished a close 2nd, 0.5L and a head. I made a profit, albeit small, but the one that really escaped was a fun tenner EW treble including Bow Echo.

Not going to Chantilly to back Diamond Necklace actually did me a favour, she was 8/11 with many of the books and 1.72 on here compared with the PMU of 1.50. My best result of the week; in my opinion AOB's best 3 year old filly and would beat Precise over a mile, although i can't see them meeting. I also think it's highly unlikely she goes for the Arc (odds of 14/1 should not be taken) but she could run there during the same weekend.

Before returning home i left a few bob treble in the World Cup, Spain, Argentina and England to win their respective groups, but it didn't get off to a good start with the outright favourites only drawing with Cabo Verde (i couldn't even tell you where the country is) and not playing well at all. They will probably need to beat Uruquay on 27th for my bet to have any chance, although i could trade it by then.

If there is a football bet this evening i feel Netherlands will beat Sweden, even though i love the latter country. They are not a bad side, but were flattered by the 5-1 win against a very poor Tunisia and i expect the Netherlands will recover from their own performance against Japan.

On to racing this afternoon, average meetings for a Saturday and even the Royal Ascot card looks a bit lack lustre. If i studied the form for the Wokingham (17.00) until month end i probably wouldn't find the winner, but large field handicaps over 6f at Ascot are not my type of betting races anyway, other than a customary fun EW bet. My lucky pin has fallen on Realign who ran at this meeting last year, albeit over 5f (unplaced). Lightly raced for a 4 year old, much more suited to 6f, firm going not an issue and won well after being well backed in a class 3 handicap LTO. Of course the draw will play a part, but stall 10 is not really a negative.

In the G1 Jubilee stakes all eyes will be on the Australian sprinter Jolistar who is possibly the best over there and certainly in form, unbeaten this year with a hat-trick of wins at Randwick including a couple of group 1's. We've seen several decent sprinters come over from Australia and win at RA, Black Caviar the best of them and there's no doubt Jolistar is very good, but i also think we tend to overate them on occasion. She's not even highest rated in the field that is not a bad one, never raced outside of her home country, has to acclimatize and will Ascot actually suit. With exception of Flemington, 6f sprints in Australia race over a bend and in 3 runs there has only won once. i'm not suggesting she can't win on a straight track of course (she did) but there are several factors that backers at 6/4 need to consider before lumping on. I laid last night at slightly higher odds, but a risk nevertheless.

One i feel could outrun double figure odds (currently 24 for the win) is the French trianed Sajir who won a G1 beating Lazzat last year. Won a G3 at Chantilly LTO, consistant and rarely runs a poor race. Even 4/TBP pays 3.8 on here.

Not much else i fancy strongly and considering a 33c temperature later i will not be watching much racing. I can look for a lay post selection before going out, but nothing jumped off the page earlier and Joliestar is a risky play.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

2026 Lay Post P/L Status

Current Progress	5/6
Running Form	WLWWWW
Daily Profit	£50
Running P/L	+£152

Running form refers to the bet

Thank You ANDREW

Thank you Andrew, my tip for you today is FACTOR 15.

Sajir. Well spotted. Fabre's only runner in the entire meeting.

Thank you ANDREW 

Excellent call on Holland. Credit where due.

Thank you ANDREW  for  your two lays 

Good afternoon Guys,

Many thanks for the 'sensible' posts, appreciated as always. I tried to post a summary of yesterday, but it needs to be reviewed by the moderators, why i do not know as i didn't mention the fourm numpty.

# forum

Well done Andrew, Not sure what warranted the inane comment earlier but as you say its best ignored.

When someone’s only contribution to a thread is this: (Prix Diane) I’d say that it’s game on.


Andrew-In-Sweden • June 15, 2026 7:44 AM BST
Pink Panthera (Each Way) Treble @ 50/1
Inis Mor (Each Way) Treble @ 30/1
Elvis found alive (Each Way) Treble @ 500/1

Just waiting for the last leg and i can retire, although not sure what constitutes the place though.

Andrew the not so nice guy gets jealous it seems.

And Sajir was a dire pick, had been beaten twice fair and square by Stolen Kiss.

What Andrew didn’t know or share is that connections are/were happy that he’s a stallion prospect with his G1 win, but weren’t that hopeful heading to Ascot.

They felt that he’s not been the same.

Maybe he put it up to lay the mugs who follow him? Or maybe he’s not as clued up as he makes out!

Another one added to my Blocked list!

dellawoffleshyte the forums greatest aftertimer...WAC u really are ya silleakhúnt.

Good morning Guys,

I noticed the moderators have not allowed my summary post yesterday for whatever reason, so i will try to post it in parts, although i'm a bit pushed for time with a couple of meetings later. I also saw a post from Jumper45 removed.

Glasgow, i upset the fragile feelings of another woke poster who i will not name as he will only report me again. My post on the Prix Diane thread was sarcastic and a p take on his purported aftertimed bets

Edited from Sunday

In my selection post yesterday, i mentioned the Royal Ascot card looked a bit lack lustre, but there were certainly a few exciting finishes including the QE Jubilee stakes where my lay selection Joliestar (15/8f) finished 3rd in a bunch finish. To be fair, the mare ran well, but it's the winning line where races are won and in these 6f sprints, you could re-run the race several times and get different winners. Irrespective of her reputation and the closeness to winning, her odds were too short for such a race in my opinion.

Backers of the EW selection Sajir (20/1) probably knew they had lost their stakes even before the stalls opened. Not for the first time at this meeting he was very jittery during the loading process, reluctant to enter the stalls and TV viewers will have seen him lash out, knocking a couple of stalls handlers to the ground. Once the stalls opened, he was slowly away and never got into the race, so it's best to strike a line through this form.

As for the Wokingham, as mentioned not my type of betting medium and if i had to rely on these typical handicaps for income, i would be living in a cardboard box and even then i would have to steal it from a fruit and veg stall. Realign (12/1) wasn't disgraced by any means, finishing 8th, beaten just over 4L, but RA handicaps are so difficult to win and on a course where the draw often plays a major part.

Horse racing often gets negative press for several reasons, but the 5 days at RA this past week have been superb and without question a showcase to the world, quite possibly one of the best flat racing festivals anywhere.

Netherlands did the business in the world cup football, easily beating my 'adopted' Sweden country 5-1 and showed the gulf in class between the two sides. The latters' opening game against a very poor Tunisia on Monday when they won 5-1 flattered them and the form was devalued after a 4-0 drubbing last night.

Irrespective of this, i really hope Sweden qualify, the country is part of me and always will be, more so considering how long i lived/worked there, still consider it my home, returning every 4-6 weeks or so for a weekend break.

Our Fellowship Racing syndicate will be interested in the 15.26 Brighton where Rockafeller Skank is going for a 5th win on the spin. This one beat our filly at Yarmouth recently making a mockery of her 25 rating and has won 3 more very easily, albeit all in classified stakes. Things will be more difficult going into a handicap and conceding 18lb to the bottom weight Lucky Sevens, another who beat us 3 runs ago, although we may have been unlucky that day.

I will not post the rest of my Sunday summary as the moderators want to review a post i made about our syndicate; why, i have no idea, it did not break any rules whatsoever.

I hope they don't stop you posting Andrew.

I did not post on the Prix Diane thread as i rarely post on others, more so with the particular poster in question and for good reason, not only that but i had posted here anyway.

What i did post on the Prix Diane thread was an edited p take on his aftertimed bets

(Each Way) Single @ 50/1
Pink Panthera

(Each Way) Single @ 30/1
Inis Mor

I did have a treble running onto this race but cashed out.

Bay City Roller 20/1
Christmas Day 20/1
And a non @ 6/1

The books were saved I’d say given that the fav only just won from a 50/1 shot! Still as you know the double was landed!

Second again

Thank you, and also to Jumper45 for his kind, supportive words last night (post removed !). It's crazy, it wouldn't be so bad if the moderators simply removed any offending isses and allowed the rest. I'm happy to continue posting and 11,000 views in a little over 4 months means they are still read by many, but if i was stopped, i wouldn't be bothered one iota. I spend much more time on my WhatsApp group that consists of quite a few decent posters anyway and i'm in email contact with Alan Potts and few others often.

The forum is defintely not what it was back in time, and many decent posters simply don't bother or have moved to other outlets.

in running is all but finished..quids in every box..all gps/bot controlled..last 2f cant win anything backing or laying..isnt allowed
most forumites are pensioners..acc restrictions have stopped most playing..drone numbers have halved last 2yrs.
no-one posts bets/p&l's anymore..forums full of aftertimers and fantasists..
George B's Royal Ascot comp there were 19 people who had 0/36 selections and plenty 4 days blanking.
that tells you how tricky pre race punting is.

A IN S    IMO The moderators are useless at best. As we all know there are certain posters who do very little apart from throwing insults, posting 1.01  beaten who cares about that, has put off dozens of genuine guys from contributing on the forum[s].Yet they the moderators do absolutely nothing, it appears they are not concerned. Presume they are putting  money before satisfaction of the public who WERE reading and providing their share of written contributions to the forum. Please ignore any outsp[oken individuals who are looking for confrontation, I read your postings with great interest.  Be lucky..

posting 1.01  beaten who cares about that, has put off dozens of genuine guys from contributing on the forum[s].

jersey claiming thats stops others from posting in the forum

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