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By:
acey deucy
When: 23 Nov 25 16:50
I would trust Mullins with my life ffs.
By:
uptheirons
When: 23 Nov 25 16:53
Nobody "knew" which horse would win today as the Market told you.
If forced to Back I would have been on the second.
Fortunately,it is not compulsory to do soLaugh
By:
Cider
When: 23 Nov 25 16:54
Cider,if the Gold Cup winner had been trained to an inch of its life it still wouldn't have won.
The rest of the field faced mission impossible today barring falls.


That's the point, hyping a race as for example one of the runners won the gc lto is disingenuous, if it's expected to be out with the washing. It doesn't really matter what the CV of the runners is if they aren't effectively going to be taking part in the race.

It was a race that had good horses in it, but on paper was a two horse race, which it ended up being. Last year's was a much better renewal, in my opinion.
By:
Cider
When: 23 Nov 25 16:58
Even GOB pointed out the jockeys were colluding at the start and allowed Townend to get a preferred position on the rails. On a horse that hangs right. They could have at least sorted that out before going down to post!
By:
Autocue
When: 23 Nov 25 17:02
All those people saying this was the race of the season, better than the Gold Cup. Yeah right. Apart from a two horse race it was a training gallop for slow horses. Fecking shysters make these races an anti-climax.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 23 Nov 25 17:03
Same here acey.  The bowlucks spoken on here about the Mullins operation is bizarre, laughable and pitiful - in any order you like.
By:
Cider
When: 23 Nov 25 17:06
Mullins isn't guilty of hyping the race up.
By:
impossible123
When: 23 Nov 25 17:18
Ok it was a good race to watch. However, those on the 2nd Fact To File, a convincing winner of The Ryanair when making the running, would ask why gave a soft lead to the winner Gaelic Warrior who's prone to making the odd mistake and jumping right?
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 23 Nov 25 17:29
The winner was given a “soft lead”?  That’s not how I saw the race.  GW set a searching pace is the race I saw, hit his flat spot then came again, courageously.
By:
uptheirons
When: 23 Nov 25 17:32
Implausible would struggle to "see" his todger in a urinal,HonchoLaugh
By:
DrGordons
When: 23 Nov 25 18:15
This race today might as well have been in private at Closutton. No serious punter could have a bet. Half the field were out for fresh air and a leg loosener.
By:
uptheirons
When: 23 Nov 25 18:18
It is hardly Mullins fault that he had the best two at the distance.
They both ran on their merits
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 23 Nov 25 18:22
might leave a mark for the rest season on both the front two more so the winner
By:
DrGordons
When: 23 Nov 25 18:23
Prize money is the point. Could a serious punter have a big bet? No.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 23 Nov 25 18:24
Not sure why there was so much negativity for this race.
It is perfectly placed in the calendar for a pipe opener.
Only two of Mullins' entries were suited to the conditions and those two ran great races.
It is never a betting race, never has been.
Plenty of big targets ahead.
By:
saxon farm
When: 23 Nov 25 18:29
Correct brandy
By:
DrGordons
When: 23 Nov 25 18:36
Eight of the last ten winners were trained by Willie M, three odds on. The original poster was correct in my opinion - why is it even in the calendar? Yes it's good to see top horses having an outing but it's well over-hyped. You don't have to have a bet that's true but you can't take it seriously surely.
By:
uptheirons
When: 23 Nov 25 18:39
Nobody is forced to bet on it.
A top class performance today but might have left its mark on the front two
By:
leif
When: 23 Nov 25 18:49
What's the point in running the Lancashire/Betfair Chase?
Last 20 runnings has seen 7 or less runners on 17 occasions.
Most often won by the front two in the market.
Season has to start somewher.
Doubt the Irish give a fig about what the Betfair forum thinks.
By:
elisjohn
When: 23 Nov 25 19:37
brandy, therdore shouldnt be a grade 1 race, too many group1/ grade 1 races now,
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 23 Nov 25 19:46
Agree with that. And as Leif says, the Betfair should not be a Grade 1 either.
By:
sageform
When: 23 Nov 25 19:47
I fail to see why the number of runners is relevant when the best two horses in the race are 20 lengths clear at the first or second fence and only a very wide angle lens manages to show any of the other runners. At Haydock there were 5 possible winners at half way. The Durkan was a great finish between 2 very good horses at the trip but the rest of them never had a remote chance of getting better than third bar a fall.
By:
sageform
When: 23 Nov 25 19:50
Sadly all of the best 3 mile chasers in training apart from Galopin des Champs ran over the last 2 days so every Grade 1 race will be won by one of those so get used to it.
By:
Bentring
When: 23 Nov 25 20:10
1stly impossible you live in Surrey punchestown is in kildare it's not June July or August so there's a good chance there will be cloud cover over the British isles l.
Sageform your 5 horse race were ridden as if someone stole them how can they go thru the season and expect to have anything letf for March ano Dan's building a big lead and he's probably had the easiest race but racing flat out all the race won't help during the season.
The same point applies to the John Durkan that was a grueller and I wouldn't be in a hurry to side with the front 2 next time.
And a thank you to all the posts that you don't have to bet to enjoy a race and to the others your just sad farts
By:
punchestown
When: 23 Nov 25 20:37
O'keefe is fav for the Irish Jockeys Championship, not Townend. I wonder why.

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Townend is being very selective what he rides in the last couple of seasons and I would imagine WPM has advised him to keep to the better horses to prolong his career hence Danny and Brian Hughes are picking up a lot of spare rides where previously PT would have ridden the stable selected in all races.

CF Swan did the same kind of thing  but at least PT is still riding chasers.
By:
impossible123
When: 24 Nov 25 07:21
Thanks 'punchestown'. It does make sense...for PT.
By:
jimnast
When: 24 Nov 25 10:21
It seems the only people in the entire universe who have a interest in horse racing who didn’t look forward or enjoy yesterday’s race reside on this forum.
By:
Cider
When: 24 Nov 25 10:48
I can see why some people feel that it was overhyped, jim. I feel that's objective and rational. Not me personally, as hype goes over my head. Even if you take an 'independent view', these are the close up comments for 3rd to 9th (leaving out the rag):

In touch with leaders, mistake 3rd, not fluent 11th, not fluent 4 out, went modest third approaching last, no match for first two
Raced in third, weakening when lost third approaching last
Towards rear, steady headway after 4 out, never on terms    
Never better than midfield    
Never better than midfield
Never better than midfield
Always behind

Effectively a 2 runner race from flag fall. A very good 'all out' finish saved it from being a total write off, really. Nothing to stop a two runner race being a great race, but that wasn't what was trailed.
By:
uptheirons
When: 24 Nov 25 11:16
It was a two horse race whichever way you looked at it,Cider.
The third (Fastorslow)had been off injured since it ran in the same race last year and was hardly likely to be 100% first time up.
The Gold Cup winner was unlikely to be suited to the drop in trip and was ridden accordingly.
Some of the remarks on this thread show their utter ignorance o race reading and quite what they were expecting will have to remain a mystery
By:
Cider
When: 24 Nov 25 11:33
You're missing the point completely. The hype was around the deep line up and the plethora of quality in the race. It was not billed as a simple face off between the two of Mullins' stable stars expected to be ready for a hard race.

ie everyone on here (the sensible people), knew those things you've outlined. so why where so many stakeholders billing it as something that we knew it wasn't.
By:
jimnast
When: 24 Nov 25 11:36
What I do think is that the two day navan fixture last weekend was different class to the punchestown two day fixture and I should think fairyhouse next weekend will also be better.
By:
uptheirons
When: 24 Nov 25 11:37
Some people are hard to please.
I take my own view of any race and don't get swayed by the hype which is prevalent in all walks of life nowdays
By:
Cider
When: 24 Nov 25 11:40
Even then, it could easily have been a prep for Kempton for GW, and left to FTF to take the race easily. Only the market told us it was off for its life. Or it could have been FTF out for a run, as the drift possibly suggested until the late market moves. Outsiders are just guessing which ones are wanted/expected on the day, especially this part of the season.
By:
uptheirons
When: 24 Nov 25 11:42
That is the case with most JP horses,Cider.
Backers beware
By:
Cider
When: 24 Nov 25 11:43
uptheirons I hear you, and yep some people moan for moaning's sake. For me there is some justification here. Whether I agree with it or not, I can at least see it's a valid opinion.
By:
uptheirons
When: 24 Nov 25 11:46
As for Stu's remark about going Maiden Hurdle pace.......You couldn't make it upLaugh
By:
impossible123
When: 24 Nov 25 14:37
David Toft: "A brilliant John Durkan, but where were the other top notchers?"

"How do you explain so many other classy types not running with much obvious encouragement on their seasonal returns? Yes, the trip was wrong for plenty but, even so, they were pretty much all beaten a distance in old money, and if any one of them come out and win a Gp 1 next time it will be hard to see their runs on Sunday as more than a public schooling season."

"The run of the race played a big part on Sunday. It's rare for a horse to take a keen grip like Gaelic Warrior did, go miles clear, and still have enough left in the tank to win, let alone rally his way back to the front past a specialist at the trip."

So, so, so true. Well done Mr David Toft for being "sensible".

I just would like to add one thing. Did Townend get away with setting a "strong" gallop as reckoned by some pundits? Or, were the other jockeys including Walsh on Fact To File guilty allowing Townend too much rope?; Fact To File is a specialist over 2m 4f, well demonstrated in The Ryanair win.

Townend and Walsh cannot both be right. Or Gaelic Warrior had a fitness advantage over Fact To File judging on the betting market; Gaelic Warrior was heavily backed into 13/8f whereas Fact To File was a drifter from 5/4f to 9/4 2f.

Schooling in public, and a fitness advantage for one over the other of the two major principals. Either scenario is not good PR for Irish Racing, is it?
By:
penzance
When: 24 Nov 25 14:46
Walsh gave the 2ND every chance to win that.Upsides jumping the last & just
out battled.
By:
saxon farm
When: 24 Nov 25 15:00
imbecile123
Go and play on the motorway ffs
By:
duffy
When: 24 Nov 25 15:05
Looked like the perfect season pipe opener for all concerned, GW went off in front was keenish but in no way out of control, FTF followed a good way back and was able to close up easily enough as GW was given a long breather, they then settled down and had a little go at it, a few flicks of the whip with GW finding a bit as FTF got tired, neither had a hard race IMO and it was job done, the rest were simply out for an exercise gallop.
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