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So we send one migrant back to France and they send us one to replace him. Am I stupid by asking how does that solve

the problem? There will still be an increase of 1 in a country that can't supply housing for it's own citizens.
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Report TameTheTiger September 18, 2025 6:26 PM BST
the one we get will be a legal one, replacing an illegal one.
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 6:53 PM BST
The Fogs will geta Lawyer in return for us getting a convicted rapist?
Report saddo September 18, 2025 7:02 PM BST
Thousands in, one out. A splendid deterrent.
Report FOYLESWAR September 18, 2025 7:07 PM BST
not ideal but its a start if the can actually get it started, so much red tape ie appeals etc ,but still arriving by the boatload ,stop the attractions and the boats will stop Shirley or am in missing summit ?
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 7:08 PM BST
Only Starmer Brammer would have agreed to it,saddo.
Who do you think that will vote Labour?
Report saddo September 18, 2025 7:24 PM BST
A charity outfit called 'Bail for immigration detainees', which
advises dinghy types how to beat the one in one out deal,
has been given 400k by comic relief. Now that's comedy.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:33 PM BST
It's also funded by the home office, ie the tax payer.

If you believe the commentary, we'll still get a plane load of asylum seekers from France tomorrow. On a flight that the UK taxpayer has paid for. Boat people now being flown in, ones that France have approved but the UK knows nothing about.
Report HoratioNelson September 18, 2025 7:34 PM BST
The ECHR needs blowing up
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:36 PM BST
It's nakedly only set up so the government can try and claim they are doing something. They think we are all idiots.

Obviously the inevitable outcome is now they will be floating in and flying in, with nobody going in the opposite direction.

The handpicked chump that's gone back today is Indian, apparently Laugh
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:42 PM BST
There are probably over one hundred thousand illegal Indians currently residing in the UK. They are going to need a lot of planes.
Report brandyontherocks September 18, 2025 7:43 PM BST
The UK is bound by the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, which grants the right to seek asylum to anyone who has a well-founded fear of persecution and has signed the convention.
Report GoBallistic September 18, 2025 7:45 PM BST
Calling the folks coming in via this scheme "legal" is a bit of a stretch imo. If they were genuinely legal they would have come here already by legal means without the need for this scheme. The bar to come here legally is so low that up to a million people migrate here every year. Yet the ones being selected by France to come here do not even meet those requirements.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:47 PM BST
It doesn't give them the 'right' to break into a country illegally, brandy.

There's only one reason to travel thousands of miles, already safe, and hop in a flimsy boat with 80 other blokes and head out into the ocean. And it isn't a fear of being persecuted by Macron.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:50 PM BST
If you've got a pretty crappy life, where you'd have to work just hard to eat/live, the gamble of hopping in the boat with relative luxury at the other end is pretty appealing.
Report leif September 18, 2025 7:52 PM BST
Brits won't work, refuse to do menial jobs for little more than minimum wage.
We need to get refuse collectors, seasonal pickers and the like from somewhere to pay into the pension pot.
Polish gave up and headed back home.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:53 PM BST
Of course, the other aspect is there's literally nothing to lose if making it to the border farce taxi. The very worst that can happen is that you get thousands of pounds to take a free flight home. No debt, no criminal record, having seen private medics and dentists, free bed and board and regular pocket money to gamble with.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 7:56 PM BST
Well yes, the reason why domestic people opt for a life on welfare is that we make it very easy for them. Two elements of the same ideology, liberalism. We have to believe anything anyone claims, no matter how ludicrous. So someone having finished university claims they are too anxious to work and thought of self harming. Okay then, here's the cash and the car.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 8:01 PM BST
Let it go Cider, you seem to think that you alone have the answers to everything that is wrong with the world, when you clearly do not.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 8:05 PM BST
Nothing I think will change anything, will it. But I am not susceptible to gaslighting. And I say what I think, regardless of whether others like it or not. Usually I am proven right.
Report brandyontherocks September 18, 2025 8:34 PM BST
I do not class living in a crowded hotel on £49 a week as living in luxury.

96% of immigrants in this country do so legally.

You do not choose where you are born, but everyone should have a choice of where to live.
Report saddo September 18, 2025 8:39 PM BST
'everyone should have a choice of where to live.'
.................

One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here,
and that's saying something.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 8:42 PM BST
I do not class living in a crowded hotel on £49 a week as living in luxury.


Free heating, electricy, bed and board, laptop, phone, pocket money, laundry done, cleaning done, sky television, private doctors and dentists, free travel, free running water.

Compared to living in Eritrea, for example.

Are you for real. It is relative luxury.

Offer that lifestyle to Brits, many would bite the state's hand off. No bills, no council tax, no commuting, no work, no responsibility, get up when you feel like it, go to bed when you feel like it.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 8:43 PM BST
Plus, of course, the option of working and paying no tax or ni.
Report brandyontherocks September 18, 2025 8:44 PM BST
So because you are born in a country with little opportunity that is just tough luck?
While someone like yourself, born in a 1st world country can happily take advantage of that situation?

No one chooses where they are born.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 8:45 PM BST
Far too much brandy, methinks.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 8:46 PM BST
Don’t bother brandy, they’ll never get their heads around it.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 8:47 PM BST
You can have open/no borders, or a weflare system. Obviously not both.

I wouldn't object to no welfare system.
Report comingupthehill September 18, 2025 8:51 PM BST
There’s 1 billion people on the planet who live in poverty.so let’s try and squeeze them all in because they were unlucky to be born in a poor country.
The good news is we ll use your kids food first to feed them.

Generations of Britons have worked hard,payed taxes,fought wars,built our system of housing ,roads,nhs etc etc.

They did this for their kids and the next generation.

So why should it be diluted,rationed to feed the world.

Yes,we are lucky to be born in Britain,so why give up that luck,and it still wouldn’t solve the problem.

It’s just tough and sad.but it’s a choice,your kids die,or their kids die.you choose.
Report Jacko2017 September 18, 2025 8:54 PM BST
Have to agree with cider compared to the life majority have lived they most definitely think they have won the lottery,  every need is taken care of mostly single men living in hotels for free,  receiving weekly allowances clothing top of range mobile devices free tv and WiFi.
While I accept its no child's fault the circumstances they are born into, it's each governments responsibility to care for its own citizens African governments have been receiving 100s of billions in aid for decades and only a select few truly benefitted both of our countries are fcked and when the money runs out what happens then
Report Jacko2017 September 18, 2025 8:57 PM BST
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:00 PM BST
I was debating with a mate of mine who is Romanian but now lives and works in the UK. I sponsored his citizenship, now he has a British passport.

We don't agree politically, but we have reasonable debates. He stated how much he loves the EU, so I ask why exactly. He said when Romania joined, there was a huge tangible investment in the country, things suddenly started working, all the robbing gypsies disappeared.

I asked him, where did he think the money come from, and where does he think the gypsies went.

I think he then got it.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:01 PM BST
It's ludicrous, cuth. Doesn't really warrant a response. But this is what we have evolved to by 2025. High status virtue signalling, regardless of any sensibility or rationality. Far more important for those engaging in it to come across as nice, caring people.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:03 PM BST

Sep 18, 2025 -- 9:00PM, Cider wrote:


I was debating with a mate of mine who is Romanian but now lives and works in the UK. I sponsored his citizenship, now he has a British passport.We don't agree politically, but we have reasonable debates. He stated how much he loves the EU, so I ask why exactly. He said when Romania joined, there was a huge tangible investment in the country, things suddenly started working, all the robbing gypsies disappeared.I asked him, where did he think the money come from, and where does he think the gypsies went.I think he then got it.


Germany,Italy, Spain?

Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:06 PM BST
Yes the richer countries borrowing money to give to the poorer countries. Erm, making the citizens of richer countries poorer, including the UK.

And the criminals went to countries where there were much richer pickings (marks).

Tremendous stuff.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:07 PM BST
Criminals, AKA human beings.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:09 PM BST
Anyone would think all Rumanians are criminals, that is the sort of mind we are dealing with here. I’m not surprised this Rumanian (assuming he isn’t a figment of your imagination) doesn’t agree with you politically, there is probably not another person on Earth who believes this stuff.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:10 PM BST
That was my Romanian friend, stating it happened. He didn't initially realise the real life outcomes of what he was stating. And no, not every Ro is a criminal. If you know any decent Ro's, they hate the gypsies from their own country more than anyone.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:11 PM BST
Like I stated, if you can read, Crusty. I sponsored a Romanian national to become a citizen of the UK. Glady. He is a great addition to the country.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:12 PM BST
So what, Mancs hate scousers, black people hate asians who hate black people, plenty of people hate each other for no good reason.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:12 PM BST
It's not for no reason, they are thieves.
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 9:14 PM BST
I hate Delbert if that helpsLaughLaugh
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:17 PM BST
When he stated that the gypsies disappeared upon joining the EU, and that was a positive thing about the EU, I don't think he was making it up.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:17 PM BST
They weren't doctors or scientists, I suspect.
Report comingupthehill September 18, 2025 9:22 PM BST
It’s not about hating people.

We can’t feed the world,but you could starve trying,it’s that simple.

As for the eu,
These countries are all fairly ok,if Germany want to expand their business s opportunities,then its correct they pay some towards other countries,in return they might get cheaper labour from free movement of people.

It’s basically like everyone on a street,helping one of their neighbours clean up their garden cos they can’t afford to.

But world wide immigration helping ,just isn’t possible.

So it’s where you draw the line.

Why help a boat migrant but not one in Africa,there’s no difference,

It’s gesture politics.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:29 PM BST
It doesn't make any sense as the EU is a political project, not an economic one.

I have no problem offering genuine work visas where people are counted back out.

We had 3 million EU people that the government had no idea were here. How can you plan infrastructure and services when there are million of people legitimately here that the state has no idea about?
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:30 PM BST
Of course it's decades since we did any proper planning anyway.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:32 PM BST
We’d know if they had to have an i.d card, but of course right wingers hate them
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:33 PM BST
It's called a passport. A bit old fashioned now, but still effective.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:35 PM BST
Out of interest, Crusty. If you had an ID card system, and the policeman stopped a former student was only here to study, but the studies have ended, what would you do with them?
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:36 PM BST
ie the study visa has now lapsed, and they are illegally in the country.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:37 PM BST
I’m not talking about specific cases, overall they would be a better idea, better than what you offer which is no idea.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:38 PM BST
A better idea for what? Having an ID card is irrelevant as you still wouldn't deport them.
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:40 PM BST
Well, we could have sent them back to the EU, remember those 3 million?
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:41 PM BST
They were here legitimately. The reason we didn't know about them was an establishment choice, not to count foreigners in and out.
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 9:42 PM BST
The utter futility of political debate is demonstrated by this thread
Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:43 PM BST
Exposing Crusty's stupidity alone, is worth the typing :)
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:44 PM BST

Sep 18, 2025 -- 9:41PM, Cider wrote:


They were here legitimately. The reason we didn't know about them was an establishment choice, not to count foreigners in and out.


The idea of you making me look stupid has never occurred to me since it has never happened.

Report Cider September 18, 2025 9:44 PM BST
My work here is done Laugh
Report CaptainCristy September 18, 2025 9:46 PM BST
School for you tomorrow, best toddle off
Report Jacko2017 September 18, 2025 9:50 PM BST
A major investigation is under way to gather information about a businessman living with his family outside Cork City who is at the centre of a fraud and money laundering probe.
The Nigerian national, who has Irish citizenship and has been living here for 20 years, was “unknown” to gardaí prior to intelligence of widescale suspect ATM withdrawals that led to his arrest.
Detectives are trying to break into his phones — a process that can take some time — and are conducting inquiries to figure out if the man is linked to the infamous Black Axe gang or some other international fraud network or if he is running his own outfit.
He was arrested last Saturday under special gang legislation which allows for arrest — on applications to the courts — for up to seven days.
In linked operations last Saturday and Monday, officers from the Garda National Economic Crime Bureau (GNECB) seized more than €320,000 in cash and recovered almost 60 fraudulent bank cards, around 20 false identity documents and a large number of mobile phones.
€750k withdrawn from ATMs over two weeks
It is estimated €750,000 was withdrawn from ATMs in just the last two weeks, but gardaí do not yet know if that is a typical two-week period for this gang.
The money — suspected to be from business email fraud and other frauds carried out around the world — is lodged into accounts, primarily in Poland, and then withdrawn in Ireland.
The main suspect, aged in his 30s, has a home with his wife on the outskirts of Cork, where they have a number of children.
It is understood he has Irish citizenship and has been living here for 20 years. He has a business in Cork and also works a number of days in a major tech company in Dublin.
He was arrested by GNECB officers in Lucan, west Dublin, last Saturday, after withdrawing cash and returning to his car. Around €17,000 in cash was recovered from the car.
Gardaí also searched a property in Dublin, where they arrested a woman. A Nigerian national, she is suspected of being brought in to help with the withdrawals. Nothing was found in her home and she was released.
Gardaí then searched the man’s home, just outside Cork City, and seized almost €70,000 in cash, 57 bank cards and false IDs.
Gardaí identified the man rented a room in an apartment in Lucan and searched that on Monday. They recovered almost €237,000 in cash, along with nine passports, five driving licences, and three identity cards.
Report Jacko2017 September 18, 2025 9:51 PM BST
A breaking story from my dear home town
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 10:05 PM BST
A Nigerian criminal?
Whatever nextLaughLaughLaugh
Report Jacko2017 September 18, 2025 10:12 PM BST
An Irish citizen u mean same entitlements as myself
Report LoyalHoncho September 18, 2025 10:19 PM BST
Amazing.  Thanks for sharing.  Well done Garda.
Report Regbutler September 18, 2025 10:22 PM BST
Anyone coming across the Channel should be bussed to nearby Manston airport in Kent and flown to Africa, eg like the Rwanda scheme, to be processed
Then, as most of them will be found to be ineligible as an asylum seeker, subsequently returned direct to their country of origin, without being able to dissappear into the black economy here
It will be a lot cheaper to keep them in camps there and crucially stop a lot of them attempting to cross the channel
I cannot see how this is unreasonable for anyone fleeing persecution
Report LoyalHoncho September 18, 2025 10:33 PM BST
What should happen, in my view, is that the government, however precedental it may be, should initiate a state of emergency of this boats from Europe situation, because that is what it is becoming.  That can’t be disputed in my view.  Then, the first thing they should do within that state of emergency is suspend their attachment/commitment to the EHCR.  Immediately they would be able to act out U.K. policy in line with what we all expected Brexit to achieve, which is U.K. self determination.
If there are legal drawbacks, overcome them.  Do what the people want, or reap a whirlwind of serious civil unrest.
Report Regbutler September 18, 2025 10:48 PM BST
Yes, withdrawal from the EHCR would be a good start.
Report comingupthehill September 18, 2025 11:13 PM BST
2023 net migration was 860k
2024 net migration was 431k

37k arrived by boats.

The boat issue is a smoke screen.

70% of asylum seekers get leave to remain.

Rwanda is pointless,cos we’d have to fly them back.

The tories want loads of migrants,hence they let more in,but then use the migrant issue as a weapon to attack labour.

Everyone is being fooled.its about winning elections and swinging votes,

Stopping all the non boat migrants is easier to tackle,but then that’s not as emotive.
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 11:19 PM BST
Any Party that is not in power promises anything to get in power.
And,so it goes
Report Cider September 18, 2025 11:25 PM BST
They both have to be sorted.

Net migration figure is a distraction if it's affluent people being swapped for those who will be supported by the remaining taxpayers. And as I stated, we don't keep proper records of foreigners leaving, so it's a finger in the air.

The distinction between the two however is that legal immigration is nominally, entirely in the gift of elected politicians. They just don't carry out the repeated mandates they were elected on.

Everyone is being fooled.its about winning elections and swinging votes,


Why do you think the electorate will be giving up on the established parties? Their lying has run out of road.
Report uptheirons September 18, 2025 11:28 PM BST
Barage is a near certainty to be the next Prime Minister.
Let's see if he delivers on the Boat Ponces
Report Cider September 18, 2025 11:45 PM BST
There are so many hurdles to overcome, should they actually win a GE. Not least, they have no representation in the HoL.
Report Cider September 18, 2025 11:47 PM BST
Convention is that they have to pass legislation that was included in the manifesto. But convention was thrown out of the window to frustrate leaving the EU.
Report Jacko2017 September 19, 2025 9:59 AM BST
The Govt has published its Q2 Purchase Order for the Dept of Children.

Total Spend in 3 months: €417.68M
Below are the Top 20 companies:

Cape Wrath Hotel (City West):  €15,234,363.45
Guestford Ltd:  €11,346,350.93
Mosney Holidays Plc: €9,742,023.95
Holiday Inn Dublin Airport (Skyline)  €8,929,568.99
The D Hotel (Fairkeep): €7,320,000.02
Bridgestock Care Limited: €6,695,101.32
Trailhead Unlimited Company: €6,469,791.06
Kintrona Ltd: €6,333,280.00
Carnbeg Hotel and Spa: €5,751,750.00
Heronwell Unlimited Company: €5,534,837.00
Brava Capital Ltd:  €5,528,748.13
Travelodge Hotels (Smorgs Roi): €5,440,140.39
Didean Dochas Eireann Teoranta: €5,151,933.00
Igo Cafe Limited: €4,903,345.61
Brimwood Unlimited: €4,885,311.00
Allpro Security Services Ireland Ltd: €4,694,769.19
Fazyard Ltd Nos 1 and 2: €4,439,969.70
Jma Ventures Limited: €4,033,545.00
Transboil Ltd: €4,024,780.00
Gateway Integration Unlimited: €3,910,000.00

These top 20 account for €130.37m or 31.2% of all spend.

Companies with known links to Banty McEnaney have been paid at least ~€13.5million - putting him just behind City West as biggest beneficiary.

Keep in mind:
there are 40,000 children on creche waiting places.

The majority of these companies operate with 50%+ net profit margins within complex tax-efficient structures to avoid paying as little tax as possible.

Of particular note is "Didean Dochas Eireann Teoranta" a company set up to purchase single houses across the midlands to provide own door accommodation. The houses it buys with tax payers money do not belong to the State. Instead they are held by an Isle of Man company. They compete in the market directly against first time buyers and ordinary tax payers. WILD.

I will never stop calling this out.
Report saddo September 19, 2025 10:20 AM BST
Interesting, they are paying companies to source a lot of housing here,
I assumed if the Gov is buying them at least we own assets, perhaps not?
They will still be paying for the hotels until the end of contract, even
if they have removed everyone into the houses we are buying.
Report impossible123 September 19, 2025 10:36 AM BST
I heard earlier "one in, one out" is an exchange eg an illegal here (from France) for one from France who's applying for asylum for the UK. However, it's not constrained by one for one at any one time eg it could be 15 for 7, but eventually or at a set point there will be an equilibrium between the UK and France.

But, we are still paying France a colossal amount to patrol the border there. it's still a win, win for France.
Report the old nanny ;-) September 19, 2025 3:31 PM BST
What is needed is a deterrent to stop People coming here, this one in out business will not deter anyone

Sadly we have the All in none out brigade in this country ,which does not help
Report LoyalHoncho September 19, 2025 3:55 PM BST
Horatio Nelson.    18 Sep 25.   19.33.   Spot on.

The govt. should announce a “state of emergency”, suspend they’re/our attachment to the EHCR, and deal with this catastrophe.
Nothing else will see our own self-determination asserting itself.
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 4:11 PM BST
They’ve been swarming in long long before the boats…..

Numbers are far higher.

I’ve been I house where there where four double beds! They came out two by two, like a scene from Noah’s Ark.

A friend who went to art college married a poor peasant woman from India, I don’t know why he had to go there to find a wife?

We’ve then been letting in family members of such types in, that should never of been happening.
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 4:13 PM BST
Old granny nine hairs and pops who aren’t ever going to work or learn the language being those who have benefited from a slack entry system for decades.
Report Celtic warrior September 19, 2025 4:14 PM BST
Gonna be just over 1,000 today, a national catastrophe
Report ponchoslament September 19, 2025 4:15 PM BST
Spot on Horacio??  You pluck that post out of all the posts, on the thread???
You and Horacio are one and the same, Jesus, you are a dreadfully sad man
Report Cider September 19, 2025 4:24 PM BST
roll up, roll up, 1 in 400 chance of flying back to France, take your chances sonny. 399/400 win the jackpot

Report LoyalHoncho September 19, 2025 5:14 PM BST
LMAO.  poncho, I’ve told you before, you are pathetic.  Everybody laughs at you.
Which one have we got today?  The dried out one or the p I s h e d one.
Report ponchoslament September 19, 2025 5:22 PM BST
Who am I replying to here, honcho or Horacio, taffys eh Laugh
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 5:26 PM BST
We could ask the same and no wonder you always do a runner because you can’t keep up!Laugh

Like the Germans! Laugh Can’t do the western and eastern at once! Wink

Your head goes like that pic! In a spin! LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report ponchoslament September 19, 2025 5:30 PM BST
I have a life, a job, wife n kids, someone’s got
To pay for you and honchos/Horacios Disability allowance

Now I’m done, that’s It.
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 5:34 PM BST
Before you go into one! Your boy plays tennis doesn’t he?
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 5:35 PM BST
So he’d be drinking lots of those isotope energy drinks for recovery ?
Report Delashay September 19, 2025 5:39 PM BST
Uptheirons • September 18, 2025 5:26 PM BST
Just went to the fridge for a drink and all that was left was a lucozade and i can't stand themLaugh
Report saddo September 19, 2025 5:55 PM BST
Lucozade has always reminded me of being ill as a kid.
Mam would only buy that if you were in bed with a
sick bucket at the side.
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