ROSALLION

We could write your complete knowledge of jockeys and racing on a pinhead Quixall !!

We !

Who’s we lol…..

Thread still missing spit it out…..

The rider will show no shame if interviewed tonight at Windsor….

Surprised if he keeps the mount tbh…

Saffie Osborne should ride next time tbf…

Case rested!!! You spend your life blaming everyone but yourself for being a failure at the game Quixall, even down to the Dam lying on the wrong side when sleeping during gestation!!

Countless riders could have won on the horse by racing closer to the pace….

I thought you would know that you being Einstein 2 of the forum tbh…..

Watch where he was at the 2 furlong pole…..dreadful behaviour (7) stuff imv…..

Hey Cag !

What do you reckon Hannon Snr was thinking during and after the race ?

Probably thought before and after that they were undone by the draw, born out if you look at the first six home, what happened to your selection btw?

I backed the Teal horse win & place purely on the price…

I almost played the Hannon horse but the more i looked at the rider…….

Its alright,Aceform's race reading ability is at the same as reading Janet & John for 6YO's.
The draw beat the horse.
Other than coming six wide and lighting the horse up early the horse was being kept in for far longer than the jockey would have liked.
It happens.
As for Safie getting the ride

anaho1212 • September 8, 2025 12:14 PM BST
Really, Rosallion is tough. He’s the best horse in the race. Nobody did anything wrong. He will end up winning one, everybody agrees on that. In fact, he hasn’t really been beaten, has he?”

Anyone imagine him saying that to the owner?!!

Don’t know about being glass half full his is still being poured!

uptheirons 08 Sep 25 12:58 
Its alright,Aceform's race reading ability is at the same as reading Janet & John for 6YO's.
The draw beat the horse.
Other than coming six wide and lighting the horse up early the horse was being kept in for far longer than the jockey would have liked.
It happens.
As for Safie getting the ride

Saffie Osborne is a seriously good rider as is Gina Mangan…..keep taking the tablets iron….

Top horses overcome bad draws with top horsemen on board,he is not a top horseman….fact !

Maybe you and Cagliari could steer me in profit….I could follow you both for a month or two….

But you must promise to give me shelter when I’m fkn homeless…..

Pr!ks….

About time you grew up Quixall.

I wouldn't give you the drippings from my nose,Aceform.
There is a very good reason why lose money every year.
You are at best a semi mug who thinks he knows it all which precludes you getting any wiser.
I will waste no further time with you

Lol Aye !

You’ll be back….

CagliariG 08 Sep 25 13:35 
About time you grew up Quixall

Don’t shy away from the fact you ain’t very good cag looking back at the selections you have given out,including a stab at the American stuff..

Dire tbh…

Any examples to back up your claim Quixall? Bearing in mind you have already been proven wrong and declined a punt on the fact.

He's a very good horse with no issues between the ears as far as I can see. How races have been run and draws haven't been ideal. As I have said maybe a touch harsh but I do believe a real top class jock could  have made a difference but it's not certain.  But if he was mine I would replace Levey if a top jock was available.

Sensible post.

the point is in his last 3 races ,has the horse had the horse got both the speed to lay up with the pace and still have his kick at the end,theyve been making excuses for about 6 of his runs last 2 seasons,if they ran him at york if grounds ok in paris you,d think they,d run in the floret instead of waiting for ascot and worrying about getting his ground

Group 1 horses can normally quicken up well and kill them off if placed well during the race……

Not much he could do from that draw.

Remember reading when Doyle asked Piggott his advice on Sea Of Class in the Arc when she was drawn high.
He said to drop her in and hope for the best.

The body language from Hannon told the story he’s not going to ridicule his rider in public like the ignorant Wildenstein…..

I will be surprised tho if he rides it next time…

Piggott had a terrible draw on Nijinsky in the Arc.  The result was the same as Rosallion’s.  I’m with irons - the draw beat the horse and very little the jock could have done differently.  I still feel it is academic though as the horse is one to be avoided, simply because it repeatedly gets beat!

Yawn !

When a horse with proven quality like Rosallion is beaten 5 races on the bounce you can only draw one of two conclusions , the excuses are mounting up or someone is making the same mistake and expecting different results.

Take your pick   

They gave the horse daylight at York and he flattened out,Hayden.

Sergeant Cecil lost his first 13 races inc.  5 x  2nds.    Group 1 win  &  Plate Ebor Ces. wins followed.

And there's nowt wrong with this horse but yes while very good he's not quite the superstar that can overcome everything although something very special would have been needed at Goodwood.

Rosallion is not a superstar horse. He's a very good horse. He's also very lucky (?). Now, the "very unlucky" could be opened to interpretation eg not ridden to potential; questionable race planning; adverse ground condition; adverse draw; unrelated unforeseen circumstances.

I think the most appropriate of the above would be not ridden to potential eg injudicious jockeyship and race planning.

I was a fan of Rosallion but I lost patience with him after The Queen Anne where everything was in his favour and
he still fluffed his lines...and against a moderate G1 miler in Docklands who he should've readily picked up.

His most dangerous opponents didn't turn up so not winning that race was a calamity...especially in light of a weak
pace where his legendary speed should've easily prevailed.

Maybe he leaves his best work for the mornings because I've not witnessed the legendary foot Hannon's often spoken of
as if he's in the same league as Canford Cliffs, Toronado, Olympic Glory etc. from that stable - he's definitely NOT!

I think some are a bit tough on the colt (as well as Leavy) as he doesn't look ungenuine to me - he just hasn't
got the tactical speed at crucial stages as was highlighted yet again in The Moulin - the winner won on merit...and
he was sat right him behind 2f out waiting to pounce.

He has definitely been overrated though I still wouldn't rule out him winning any G1 as we're struggling for
quality in the mile division recently - a peak Field Of Gold would be far too good, but unfortunately I suspect
we might've seen the best (and maybe the last) of him. For a change, I might take a look at the Yanks on the turf
at this year's Breeders' Cup because we're struggling for genuine contenders at the moment.

I thought last year (in another poor generation for milers) that Rosallion would be able to take Charyn...but
after The Queen Anne debacle I had to revise that view and since then it's been confirmed a few times - a very
straightforward performer like Charyn would've disposed of him.

I thought 7f might suit and the York race would be an easy G1 but he couldn't handle the drop in trip.
They ALL fcuked up in the Sussex and allowed a bum to steal the race so he has been unfortunate not to supplement his G1
tally and emulate his stablemate Olympic Glory who achieved the rare distinction of winning Group 1s at 2/3/4.

Overall, he's a likeable performer who's reputation has always been a millstone around his neck - admirable & consistent
BUT he undoubtedly is limited compared to even average champion milers over the years...like Charyn.

I hope he stays around next year...and who knows what improvement there might be as a 5yo - I'd be happy for him
to prove me wrong but I firmly believe he's limited in the highest grade...just as his official rating would suggest.

Totally agree with you there, Herbie.

He is a decent horse amongst an average bunch of milers.

Leavy has taken a lot of criticism, unfairly in my opinion.

Like Cider said. Give him a go over 10f.

also don't blame the jockey ,once maybe twice a badly judged ride but not 5 times !  he will prob win when he is a double figga price when the majority have given up on him!

He may well be worth a try but I'd be surprised if he did so (next year?) as Hannon's
never shut up about how much speed he has - he's not really bred for it and there's
no real stamina throughout his immediate family...and though pedigree's a fair guideline,
there are plenty of examples of sprint-bred performers who've excelled over jumps!

Jack Berry trained a winning 5F Sprinter to win over 3M4F NH

That Notable Speech couldn’t land the Breeders Cup last year should have shown you all before the start of the season that they weren’t a top class bunch of milers and he was our Guineas winner.

Who was he ducking in the Marois? Because duck it they did.

Baaeed aside...they've been a below average lot over a mile in the decade since Kingman.
Field Of Gold was the great white hope but things haven't gone to plan and I'm not sure
if they can regain that promise.

The door's been open for a while for a top miler to deliver, just as Charyn did last season
though he was nothing really special - I sound harsh but he was 'only' an average champion
miler however admirable.

And anyone who thinks the Levy is any good look up the results when second of these 3

Issac Shelby
Rashabar
Rosie

And count how many G1’s he’s lot in a tight finish!

What has the Levy got to do with the horse Delilah? Have you been taking English lessons from the same teacher as the sacked deputy PM you recently criticised or will you explain wtf your post is about? tia even though you cannot read this post!!

Hey top rod Toby! Did you live off tuna for years after your beautiful brace of line caught monsters?!

And what was the screenshot of £90 on a 5/4? Big time specimen hunter like you should have waded in large!

So you lie as well as appearing dyslexic Delhah or did you just run away when your command of the English language was proven to be worse than the person you criticised?

Big time Toby tanker

Vitas Gerulaitis lost his first 31 matches against Jimmy Connors and said afterwards in interview “Nobody, but nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 32 times in a row”.
If horses could only talk.

Did you watch the us open final

No, missed it sadly.  Alcaraz, at 22, already has some record.  Amazing.

Would you like a winner Cag ? The horse is a good thing imo….

Hector rides in the last at the Welsh track…..

Just had £60 on Saffie, Quixall despite the ground so already had a winner thanks!!

LoyalHoncho • September 9, 2025 6:01 PM BST
No, missed it sadly.  Alcaraz, at 22, already has some record.  Amazing

Really was the way he down then had some surge. Sinner was going to his backhand but he found a way to negate it and literally dismantled the Italian.

"Vitas Gerulaitis lost his first 31 matches against Jimmy Connors and said afterwards in interview “Nobody, but nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitis 32 times in a row”

Except he didn't. Gerulaitis lost his first 16 matches and won the 17th.

Thank you.  The point is still a good one.  I think you made it once, accurately, and I appreciated it then as I do now.  Best wishes.

No worries…..have a bit on the place tho,it could flounder ….

Saffie is the best female rider bar non….

You're welcome.

I thank you formoftheace and refer you to my recent post elsewhere.  It is always rewarding to know that my presence on the forum has stimulated you do something that you do very well indeed.

Did you mean none,Aceform?
Hollie is two grades better

I think Saffie is 7lb better than most tbh…..

Gina Mangan deserves more good rides along with Joe Mason…..smiling lady Faye who is attached to the Tinkler yard…

I’ll give you a football punt tonight iron…

England v Serbia…

A bit short but both teams to score…..should be 1.01 imv….

"England v Serbia…

A bit short but both teams to score…..should be 1.01 imv…"

Outstanding.

Obviously tongue in cheek John……

Usual level of ability demonstrated by Aceform.
Utterly clueless

You think lol

We all know that and you have consistantly proved it over the years

We ?

Merry men…..yawn ffs

We would be anybody who has witnessed your hapless performances over the years.
And,yawn (your usual response when you have made a **** of yourself)fools nobody,Aceform

Keep taking the tablets…..

Of course,the answer is there for you for consistent profit,Aceform.
Just do the opposite to what you think the outcome will be

I don’t think anyone saw England scoring that many. So unlucky with the tip.

The story of Aceforms life

I have you dangling iron tbf…..

England won’t make the quarterfinals imv…..

Love it ace! That’s some prediction and as I think they are crap too I won’t disagree. You have all the big names to come back in and egos don’t make teams.

Tooks is on a nice little swift earner!

But,that was not your pre match advice,Aceform,was it?
Support from Dela is yet another nail in your coffin.

I thought the Serbs would have scored ….poor performance from them like watching community centre five a side tbh…

England are getting over excited….

Lee Dixon was like a kid in a sweet shop i ended up watching GB news….

But,as usual,you were wrong,Aceform and then tried to aftertime it was tongue in cheek

Wrong again iron ffs

I played @ 2.18…then again and again….small….

The 1.01 was tongue in cheek……

The price is immaterial, dipstick.
You were wrong as usual,Aceform and no attempt at Dela deflection can take your advice from the thread

Support? I like he was bold and gave an opinion, unlike yourself ever beforehand!

I don’t’t know anyone who said we’d have our best win yet under Tooks against a team who were supposed to put up a stern test, the toughest to date for team and manager.

uptheirons • September 7, 2025 6:37 PM BST
No horse in the last 10 years has won from a draw higher than eight Re: Prix Moulin

Some stats man is Irons….

Failed to tell the size of the field or the whole story!

Delashay • September 7, 2025 6:48 PM BST
You’re referring to Ribchester when there was the non runner Zizal in 2007?

There were only 7 runners after Zizal was withdrawn and the Moulin was at Chantilly that year!

The day that I ever need any advice from you will be a first,Dela.
Dela and Aceform,The Chuckle Brothers

Still laughing & acting ever so clewed up despite getting the draw bias for the Prix Moulin @ Longchamp completely wrong!

it!

Please go and bore others to death on the Raynor thread,Dela.
BTW,it is clued up,not clewed up.
Is English your first language?

Trying to cover up and deflect your mass truck up with a someone’s typo! Aight bruh!

Will you give us your draw stats for a soft and fast ground Arc? Remember that’s been run at Chantilly so don’t count those runnings!

The only mistake I made was conversing with a Grade A Bullshatter like you.
Banged any 27YO Blonds lately,Walter Mitty

BTW,in general Stats are for prats

She's never 27!!!

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uptheirons • September 11, 2025 11:32 AM BST
BTW,in general Stats are for prats


That says it all…. The bookies pay no attention to them do they?

uptheirons • September 11, 2025 11:29 AM BST
The only mistake I made was conversing with a Grade A Bullshatter like you

No need to throw ‘em out the pram because of your mistake and scrambling for a way out!

Great work Tops but it was the other way around!

She couldn’t believe my age!

Can’t help the good genes!

"There are lies,damned lies and statistics".
Each to their own view imo

"There are lies,damned lies…” “Grade A Bullshatter like you…”

That’s true about the lies unlike the opinion but I wish you could hear my laugh every time you say that!

You know why it’s so funny?

Stats have a place but we shouldn’t be against knowing or using them.

In this years Derby the market was topped by a couple with a huge negative. Now I’m on here I’ll be laying such types next year.

'upthe..' is a timewaster. Put the vermin on 'ignore', and refrain from engaging. The forum will be a better and more meaningful place for discussing and exchanging view of every kind.

Iron still behaving like the forest hog….

Any more uninvited tips for me,Aceform?
Implausible would only be evens to get his name right.
As racing starts shortly I will leave the turgid trio to put the World right but not earning any money

Tops thanks again I’ve sent my mates that and it’s given them a good laugh!