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By:
WillM922
When: 04 Aug 25 23:07

Aug 4, 2025 -- 11:01PM, Regbutler wrote:


Yeah, jml agree there, I didn't word it very wellI should have said that from his own words, it looks like he's aiming for big priced placed horses with the winners being a bonus, and the place aspect being more profitable


Correct lad. I've learnt quickly that there's a big difference between a winner at the wrong odds and an undervalued placed horse. I specifically focus on places. I do not care about winning, I just want long-term profit. If I can do that, then I'm doing something right,tah bud (Y)

By:
Regbutler
When: 04 Aug 25 23:10
Exactly jml
Getting to know the place markets on here which he admits to not knowing could be helpful... And the win markets as well
By:
WillM922
When: 04 Aug 25 23:11

Aug 4, 2025 -- 11:06PM, JML wrote:


Nothing wrong with his strategy--he's just overlooked or wasn't aware of the bookmakers rules-- thou shalt not win.


Expand on that, please, lad..? meaning the bookies always have the odds stacked in their favour?

By:
Regbutler
When: 04 Aug 25 23:15
Don't want to speak on jml behalf but... I think he's suggesting that if you consistently win from them your accounts will be closed... Soft la
By:
WillM922
When: 04 Aug 25 23:20

Aug 4, 2025 -- 11:15PM, Regbutler wrote:


Don't want to speak on jml behalf but... I think he's suggesting that if you consistently win from them your accounts will be closed... Soft la


fair enough. I don't consistently win. I lose far more than I win, lad. I'll take that advice all onbaord tho bro. Calling me soft, lad?

By:
Regbutler
When: 04 Aug 25 23:25
No, just my attempt at Scouse humour, as you seem to keep putting "lad" in every sentence
No offence meant
By:
WillM922
When: 04 Aug 25 23:39

Aug 4, 2025 -- 11:25PM, Regbutler wrote:


No, just my attempt at Scouse humour, as you seem to keep putting "lad" in every sentenceNo offence meant


Haha lad, I wouldn't be arsed anyway! online forum, not arsed what people say. However, you and JML have given me some decent advice to look into, which I appreciate, brother. I thought, by the way you said that, that you were from by ours? No offence taken, my mate.

By:
tanglefoot
When: 05 Aug 25 09:43
My advice WillM922 is to keep your method as a interesting hobby,any attempt to scale up stakes will soon get u restricted if u are profitable long term with any online bookmaker.
By:
Delashay
When: 05 Aug 25 09:44
Delashay • August 4, 2025 1:42 PM BST
Wonder why you aren’t place betting only? 4 winners from 51 bets means a lot of your stake is being wiped out. Of course those winners are likely to be good at the prices that you cite.

I’d asked what Reg was asking and it’s something that you can try. Split your stakes it doesn’t have to be equal. You’re likely to get bigger prices in the win market on here not to need 3£ on the win part.

And yes they make it as difficult as and offer under the odds. I dint recall years like this when we’ve had so many multiple joint favs for races, then half a point to the next etc…. all being squashed together tight.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Aug 25 10:03
will..where are ewe placing these bets?



WillM922 04 Aug 25 22:30 
skybet and bet365. yes night before.

amazed you've lasted 8mths.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Aug 25 10:06
20/1 on b356 will be 30+ on bf (if not gambled or tipped).
By:
Delashay
When: 05 Aug 25 10:18
True Rico and answers this - meaning the bookies always have the odds stacked in their favour?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Aug 25 10:39
of course..its called profit making 'overounds'.
By:
.Marksman.
When: 05 Aug 25 10:41
My System Focus:

Ground condition analysis (huge edge when horses are mispriced on unfamiliar surfaces)

Trainer form patterns (hot/cold yards)

Equipment changes (first-time headgear, removals)

Course specialists and jockey bookings

Handicap angles and targeted entries


But these are all the most obvious angles which are frequently referred to in the analysis in the Racing Post and ATR website.  On Sky and RTV these are always referred to pre-race.  I don't see where the original thinking is in all this.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 05 Aug 25 12:31
20-1 night before, can't get on, 10-1 on here race time, value's gone, 35-1 on here come race time, is it really winning?
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 05 Aug 25 12:36
To expect a 5% win rate and 33% place rate at those odds is very ambitious, but good luck if you can.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 05 Aug 25 12:48
TT, that's the problem 5% is doable at 20-1, but if it's 5% at 10-1 cos you can't get on, the maths stop working. You want to clear £50K a year, you need to be staking a million, £3000 a day doesn't go under the radar. £3.65 on a few that get backed and you're marked. Crazy world of the bookmaker's licence.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 05 Aug 25 12:55
Let's be brutally honest - is a ROI of 20% or even 50% on stakes of £6 really a good use of your time as a side hustle ?

Only you can answer that .

Now if it's getting paid for your entertainment then maybe it can be justified, or a challenge to see how long you can beat the bookie ?

As for ever increasing bets with those two bookmakers  - a total non starter.  'They' just won't let you build anything that costs them money.

Expect an email any time.....
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 05 Aug 25 12:55
swifty, anyone that can do 5% at prices of 20/1 and up then you are a genius and wouldnt need help from anyone, just a bank to withstand the huge losing runs, the betfair prices in that range will average 40-50% higher than the Industry SP.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 05 Aug 25 13:07
the stakes required at any price mean it can only be on betfair, at higher prices then a business model relying on 1 in 30 odd coming in is not sustainable because of the bank required as you say. I doubt there's (m)any pros left out there betting at BSP without info. all 'angles' are out there for everyone. some people do have a 'knack' at interpretting angles better than others but does it last?
By:
pulio
When: 05 Aug 25 13:58

Aug 4, 2025 -- 11:39PM, WillM922 wrote:


Aug  4, 2025 -- 11:25PM, Regbutler wrote:No, just my attempt at Scouse humour, as you seem to keep putting "lad" in every sentenceNo offence meantHaha lad, I wouldn't be arsed anyway! online forum, not arsed what people say. However, you and JML have given me some decent advice to look into, which I appreciate, brother. I thought, by the way you said that, that you were from by ours? No offence taken, my mate.


The "Exposing Bookmakers" account on twitter. Look it up.

By:
freddiewilliams
When: 05 Aug 25 14:13
3 poon ew on a 50 poon bank.....no no no......betting night before .....nonono
By:
tanglefoot
When: 05 Aug 25 21:46
No takers ?
By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 22:03

Aug 5, 2025 -- 10:41AM, .Marksman. wrote:


My System Focus:Ground condition analysis (huge edge when horses are mispriced on unfamiliar surfaces)Trainer form patterns (hot/cold yards)Equipment changes (first-time headgear, removals)Course specialists and jockey bookingsHandicap angles and targeted entriesBut these are all the most obvious angles which are frequently referred to in the analysis in the Racing Post and ATR website.

By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 22:07

Aug 5, 2025 -- 9:43AM, tanglefoot wrote:


My advice WillM922 is to keep your method as a interesting hobby,any attempt to scale up stakes will soon get u restricted if u are profitable long term with any online bookmaker.


ok, my mate, I'll deffo take that advice on board as well. I'm not expecting to change my life here, but I'd like to keep progressing so that I can add a little extra and ease working hours in the next few years. Even a small side income would be great. tah bud.

By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 22:18

Aug 5, 2025 -- 10:18AM, Delashay wrote:


True Rico and answers this - meaning the bookies always have the odds stacked in their favour?


always one here, la. Meaning I have never used Betfair. It wasn't even on my radar. I do not understand exchanges, hence why I'm starting to learn about tha now. If you've made grand's already from your punting, fair play... if not give ya head a wobble you mushroom.

By:
uptheirons
When: 05 Aug 25 22:21
Better bait required imo
By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 22:38

Aug 5, 2025 -- 12:55PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Let's be brutally honest - is a ROI of 20% or even 50% on stakes of £6 really a good use of your time as a side hustle ?Only you can answer that . Now if it's getting paid for your entertainment then maybe it can be justified, or a challenge to see how long you can beat the bookie ?As for ever increasing bets with those two bookmakers

By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 22:42

Aug 5, 2025 -- 10:21PM, uptheirons wrote:


Better bait required imo


Haha, correct lad. Genuninely, tho, if they have made serious money from punting, I am all ears? If not, we all have opinions's don't we....

By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Aug 25 22:54
the scousers throwing insults now...settle down la.
By:
JML
When: 05 Aug 25 23:02
This is what I would do Will.  forget about those bookies.

pick your selection and go to the Betfair win market.

press on the blue number against your selection and move to the box on the right.

under odds place 500 and under stake place £1 or whatever you're happy with.

press "place bets" and then "take SP"

Then do the same for the top 3 market.

You've now got an each way bet at Betfair SP.

IF you're going to make money at this game you need to show a profit this way.
By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 23:09

Aug 5, 2025 -- 10:54PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


the scousers throwing insults now...settle down la.


deffo from a small village, you lad. I'm interested to see your results and statistics.... would help getting you out of your mar's boxroom kid

By:
JML
When: 05 Aug 25 23:09
that should be "place bets" "take SP" and then "update"
By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 23:12

Aug 5, 2025 -- 11:02PM, JML wrote:


This is what I would do Will.

By:
JML
When: 05 Aug 25 23:22
I'm interested to see your results and statistics

You'll find that Rico's far too modest to share that information with anyone.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Aug 25 23:48
WillM922 05 Aug 25 23:09 
deffo from a small village, you lad. I'm interested to see your results and statistics....

won millions..5ft 11..14st 5lb..6.7" E wrecked.
By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 23:49

Aug 5, 2025 -- 11:22PM, JML wrote:


I'm interested to see your results and statisticsYou'll find that Rico's far too modest to share that information with anyone.


Sounds about right.

By:
WillM922
When: 05 Aug 25 23:55

Aug 5, 2025 -- 11:48PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


WillM922 05 Aug 25 23:09

By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Aug 25 04:47
Aug 6, 2025 -- 04:47AM, Rico-Dangleflips wrote:

ok la..
By:
top2rated
When: 06 Aug 25 09:29

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