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1000 draw layers in trouble at the cricket
1000 draw layers in trouble at the cricket
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Hayden,so if want a tie,1000/1
Anyone backing the draw will still collect if it’s a tie, Like first past post or beat in a photo,except it’s o.ooo1% of happening The margin is so low,why upset a customer ,saying sorry mate,draw not tie,for the poxy difference, Anyone daft enough to back a tie,let them have 1000/1, The money won on this ,will cover the draw tie payout,hundred fold in 2054,when the next one is tied. |
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Cherries duly dispatched with little difficulty
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been an OK tour to be fair, more hopeful than I was
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Of course they won't collect and neither should they , amazed the debate is still running tbh.
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Hayden's been laying the tie for the last 20 years!
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My max odds lay on any sport is 1.29 swifty so no chance of that.
Put the thread down to a difference of opinion with no abuse hurled which is a rarity in itself  |
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Laying the tie for 20 years. He must be 5.57 p up given the 4 people who ve backed a tie in the last 20 years.
No doubt they believed they were backing the draw and thought,that’s a big price. |
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It only offers England,draw and India on exchange options for match betting,why isn’t the tie also listed,if this rule will be applied.
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Hayden , cricket betting is far more your domain, I know you do well at it. The game's are a bit too long for me and my betting!
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*games it's contagious on here.
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Fair enough mate each to their own , must admit i've tried to get remotely interested in soccer trading but find it pretty tedious so i stick with in-play Cricket , Tennis and American sports.
Can't be bothered much with Horse Racing these days either apart from the bad e/way stuff so i just switch the BOT on and let it trade away. Good luck tomorrow |
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cuth, I can see Hayden's point that a tie is like a dead heat in racing and if you've backed at over evens you'll win on the match
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Hyaden it's all about what I think is the nearest to a level playing field with pic speeds, and I think horse racing is still ahead...however far behind it still is!
if you've got bots doing the work for you, good on you! |
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Good luck to you too!
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The main point i've clumsily tried to make is it's similar to coupling horses if you wrap the tie & draw up as one bet , it's ludicrous in horse racing as it stops punters backing 2nd strings at big prices ( like Foyles likes to do ) but in cricket let someone request a tie price if they want one as the rarity of it happening isn't worth the effort of including it in the market , the draw vs tie in test cricket is chalk vs cheese and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same narrative.
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Swifty,
Where do I start. 1.its not like dead heat,cos they happen every week,this comes in twice every 150 years. 2.if it’s a correct outcome,why isn’t it listed along side wins and draw on exchange markets for match result. 3. Given the rarity,adding it to the draw odds( which would alter not one jot),seems fair. 4.whilst offering a tie as a one off speciality bet, no doubt,Hayden’s been laying it at 16/1 for 20 years,telling everyone how close the teams are and he can see a tie as a real option. 5.how many people bet the tie,if ask them,half will believe they ve backed the draw and thought it was an offer or just big odds. 6.yes offer the crazy big odds tie ,for those who want it,but attempting to get a skinner once every 75 years is crazy,just pay all draw backers for the tie. 7.even if they change the rules to include tie as draw,they ve nothing to worry about cos they ll all be dead when they have to payout. Other games different,t20,one day,even county championship. But for tests,it’s petty. Has to be the only sport,where a draw isn’t a draw.even though,no one won and they both scored equal point,runs,goals . Bookies do enough offers ,this is the cheapest offer they can offer,plus no one will be alive if it ever comes in. |
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Hayden,don’t couple.
Draw is a draw,including tie. Tie is a tie. Both odds not affected,unless a o.ooo1% chance will affect odds. |
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it is like a dead heat in racing, if a team hasn't officially lost you don't expect to lose your bet. As i said if you've backed at over evens you will win on the bet.
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as you say just stick the tie in the market, traders would just have to cover it.
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Oh ,right
So if it’s a tie,draw backers get dead heat rule,half stake. It actually makes it worse,fair enough,get something,so it looks like bookie is very kind,but given 2 /2500.its a shocking offer. Free meal,but if tie,we ll give you a chip. |
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Swifty,there’s nothing to cover,it’s o.1p.its as close to irrelevant as you can get.
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I'm talking about Betfair and the 3 outcome market, no idea how other bookies deal with it.
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Far play.but if a tie,then the market dosent pay,strange one,
Like 0 green in roulette,only that’s 35/1 and it’s in the market equally,and it comes in. The tie is a defo bookies skinner,that’s fine,but it’s so rare,they don’t really need it as a skinner. |
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Think it’s not been highlighted,because,no one backs it,plus it’s a more realistic option in t20/one day games,and it comes in.
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hayden would know far more, but I think in some formats of the games on here, if a tie then all bets are void.
anyway, the forecast is dry all day so I don't think it'll be a draw(!) but it could be a tie! 35 runs, 3( or 4) wickets, probably a bit of a chance , probably about a 60 chance which is what people are backing on here unbeknown to them! |
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Yeah,just a quirk for test matches only.
Probably be a tie now,pmsl. Interesting conundrum. |
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7.2 Test matches
If a match starts but is later abandoned for any reason other than weather (which may include but is not limited to: dangerous or unplayable wicket or outfield; pitch vandalism; strike or boycott; crowd protests/violence; stadium damage; acts of terrorism; and acts of God), Betfair reserves the right to void all bets, except for those on markets that have been unconditionally determined. |
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Event Start Time
04 August 2025, 11:00 Win Only Market Market Information For further information please see Rules & Regs. Who will win this Test match? At the start of scheduled play all unmatched bets will be cancelled and this market will be turned in-play. This market will not be actively managed therefore it is the responsibility of all users to manage their own positions. Competition Rules apply. Customers should be aware that: Transmissions described as “live” by some broadcasters may actually be delayed The extent of any such delay may vary, depending on the set-up through which they are receiving pictures or data. If the official result is a Tied Match in any Test, County or Limited Overs Match then all bets on Match Odds markets will be void At the conclusion of each days play this market will revert to a non in-play status with no time delay in effect then at the start of the following days play this market will be turned in-play again with unmatched bets not cancelled. UK wallet Commission on this market 2% Market Base Rate |
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Rules on a tie, Will this match be tied? At the start of scheduled play all unmatched bets will be cancelled and this market will be turned in-play. If the official result of this match is a Tie then this market will be settled as Yes, any other official result and the market will be settled as No.
These are exchage rules, sportsbook and other bookies may have different rules |
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interesting elisjohn, I read the dead heat rule somewhere, must've been for sportsbook.
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@swiftynifty
I had a dig and yes, it's the BF SB rule: "In First Class Matches, if the official result is a tie, bets will be settled as a dead-heat between both teams. Bets on the draw will be settled as losers." (elsewhere it define First Class: "The term First Class matches refers to a match of three or more days' duration between two sides of eleven players, this includes Test Matches.") |
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I think that's the fairest method, if your team didn't lose you shouldn't lose, well at least something back if were odds on.
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You don't lose if the entire market is voided though?
But yes, I have never quite understood why they run Exchange cricket the way they do, means BF losing out on commission, so they must have a good reason to do it. |
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It's because all bets are voided in the illegal Indian/UAE markets when the match is tied. Most of the money in the Betfair exchange market is hedging money from these illegals, and if the rules were different for a tie, then that money wouldn't come.
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It is reassuring to know that BF's integrity remains constant,Screaming
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at last screaming comes up with the reality
i did it for a few weeks in dobuy (khazi) and managed to get hit by a tie eng v pak. orrible, particularly as id run up considerable exes and got pickpocketed of a chunk of cash there are more on the phone in the ground than genuine speccies. dunno how haydn does it as they are lightning |
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Wonder what odds were India matched at for this win?
Only 6 runs off being a 'tie' in this one! |
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the tie , lowest i saw was around 8s, startedoff this morning in the 30s
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80 was top price india. england went 1.01
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Cardinal Scott • August 3, 2025 8:22 PM BST
Aug 3, 2025 -- 8:16PM, swiftynifty wrote: exactly irons ,people obsessed with the traded volumes, peanuts changes hands (between Indians) and BF make a couple of quid. Absolutely Clueless statement Cardinal was involved in approx £2k of trades and won 77p. He paid Betfair 1.54p. in commission Assuming 500 of him did likewise Betfair made the grand sum of £7.70 in commission on £1million traded. Of course there will be bigger winners and losers but the vast majority will be trades. The figures are a mirage. I think I know who's clueless. |