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20 Jul 25
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...the difference between a "tip" and an "opinion"?
For me a "tip" is something that is kept under wraps and only known by those who should be privy to that information, eg horse (or other) has been waited with, a problem has been found so improvement is likely,been waiting for the ground, this has been the target etc.
An opinion is well, just that.
Would you rather receive a "strong tip" or a "strong opinion" from someone who's opionion you respect?
We have all been asked "give us a tip for the National" if your friends know that you may gamble, but is it your answer a tip, or just an opinion?
For me a "tip" is something that is kept under wraps and only known by those who should be privy to that information, eg horse (or other) has been waited with, a problem has been found so improvement is likely,been waiting for the ground, this has been the target etc.
An opinion is well, just that.
Would you rather receive a "strong tip" or a "strong opinion" from someone who's opionion you respect?
We have all been asked "give us a tip for the National" if your friends know that you may gamble, but is it your answer a tip, or just an opinion?
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Anyone offering me a strong opinion before the race i'd pay them to keep it to themselves.
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Have to laugh at the first to respond to this! As I’ve NEVER KNOWN him to give any thought on a race BEFORE or AFTER!
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tv/media pundits are giving selections not tips ,a tip is inside info and you have to decide if its is info not known to everyone, of course theres 100,s every week who now no if a horse is off or not, so plenty of tips available for NONNERS
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I believe that you have different types of tips, those that you give the example of HN are insider info. It’s the truest sense of a tip. My dad met a stable lad who’d told him that West Tip was played out for the National.
Nowadays any paid journo that gives selections is tipping. It only becomes an opinion when there is SOUND reasoning and examples are given as to why someone should consider that worth following and placing money on. Market watching is the alternative to both. Last but not least is Ryan watching! Waiting to find out what he rides! That’s the one with least cred which I put alongside those watching the markets. Why? Because I’ve backed as many drifters and lurkers who didn’t shorten and I’m wary of artificial price cuts, done to draw people in. For my part there is more fun and pleasure gained when following your own conviction. Think of the poster of the fish all swimming one way with one swimming in the opposite direction. That says below, “What if they’re all wrong?” |
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Dela Dimwit,I will give an opinion if asked.
That I don't debate with a halfwit like you who spews non stop verbal diarrhea is no indication of lack of knowledge. |
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Exactly - Pvt. Henry Hook! aka the shirker!
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Empty vessels Dela.
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Apologised to Hayden yet,Dela?
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At ease Pvt Hook!
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Delashay • July 21, 2025 9:49 AM BST
Do you not see any other potential dangers? An open unanswered question on the Ante Post thread for those who discuss races. Impossible the public enemy and target for the multitudes that frequent this pool here will oblige without fear of losing face! |
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You got a lot of North and South but caaan’t back it up!
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impossible123 • July 21, 2025 5:51 PM BST
Nothing I can envisage except pilot error or an act of nature eg his stall opening late, etc. All things being equal this race is his for the taking. The Juddmonte over 10f the extra distance is an unknown but I think he's up to it. Thank you Impossible, value your opinion. His reply re: The race talk on the AP forum and the JI @ York |
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As said on a thread named after him!
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Avoids any big race discussion!
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As I pointed out,I have no wish to discuss anything with a halfwit like you Dela.
Do you ever have time to actually have a bet? I will talk to any sensible poster so,I am afraid that's you and mics out. Have a good rant keyboard warrior |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px3rkCUNM-0
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The shirker, we hope you’ll come good like the original Pvt Hook himself , but for now …. Keep ranting!
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There is only one person ranting Dela and it certainly isn't me.
I have been polite, unlike you. Perhaps you should try to paint a masterpiece to release your obvious stress? |
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The secret is when someone gives you a tip for a horse you check the shoes they are wearing ,if they are wearing Gucci shoes.
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Great tip in itself!
Unfortunately there is NO room discussion from some, let alone a tip or talk of a horse on horse racing forum!! It’s easier to bring down a thread after another outburst because they don’t agree and can’t answer simple questions! Were all of the hostages released???? Why is there not the same sympathy for those innocents dying in Ukraine or call for a ceasefire? - From scarf wearing flag waving hypocritical @rs*wipes?” Very triggering questions that baffle and frighten that lot! |
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An opinion is a guess and a tip is a someone else's guess.
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One of the most successful bettors on this forum,stewartyb,doesn't give tips,only selections.
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A fairly simple question to answer..
A tip implies insider information.. An opinion is a calculated guess. However, some opinions can derive from a tip. |
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You would be evens to get your name right,Dela and talks on the Politics Forum not on here
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Seems like you forget that you brought down a thread (because of your uncouth vulgarity) that you were more than happy to leave many comments on the day before I’d entered.
My presence and stance stirred you to the state of uncontrollable rage and started you up yet again! Always avoiding - whether it’s horse discussion or the questions posed above! |
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You are a liar Dela and you have proved that in the past as well when you claimed to have blocked me until you foolishly replied to the bait I put down for you
The thread that belonged on the Politics Forum was certainly not brought down by me and I did not rage at any time, unlike you. You try to portray yourself as cultured with your supposed love of art but then post "Kiss my Kipper" when losing a debate.How very adult of you. You insulted Hayden and wasn't man enough to apologise. I would be surprised if you find the time to ever have a bet on here. |
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Smoky Hill 25 Jul 25 12:16
A fairly simple question to answer.. A tip implies insider information.. An opinion is a calculated guess. However, some opinions can derive from a tip. Agree Smoky....but then why are shall we describe them as sport columnists or even journalists often referred to as tipsters? Definitely blurred lines for me. |
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I don’t want any engagement with you on any level, you’re incapable as well as a nasty person who’s lacking and angry for it.
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I am heartbroken Dela.
I would point out that I haven't demonstrated anger on here for some time. I am quite happy to ridicule half wits like yourself as it is more effective |
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Oh get a room you two - Holiday Inn?
Horatio Nelson, yes the question to ask is when is a tipster also a punter? Tom Segal once said, in his own words ''I'm a tipster, not a punter'', so if you bet on his opinions, which is what they are, then it's with your own money, not his, apparently. Media are fond of highlighting the nice winners from these 'tipsters', but not when they lose. Segal made a bit of a fool of himself over Falakeyah at Ascot for instance, he was all over it like a rash, but his opinion on that one soon got buried with the dismal run. Unless they get insider information, their 'tips' are nothing but opinions. You then have to trust that opinion, or not. There is only one instance I can recall where a t.v pundit gave a direct 'tip' to the viewer. This was way back in 1999 at Goodwood on the old Racing Channel, none other than Geoff Lester who was holding the microphone [tipster - Man on the Spot - Sporting Life] in those days. He tipped a filly called Kashra, seemingly with some insider info. It won at 7-1. I know of no other pundit since who's done that. |
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Unless they get insider information, their 'tips' are nothing but opinions. You then have to trust that opinion, or not.
You have just nailed it for me...Couldn't agree more  |
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The thread was here Smoky long before your comment. I engaged gave my opinion. You don’t like it, sling it too.
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The only person on this forum who’s called him out for being abusive is Loyal Honcho, the rest just turn a blind eye. That means you have NO right to comment and can keep your sarcasm to yourself, because you’re as weak as the others who allow the bully to keep on.
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Horatio, what do you think of Tipping Tom? He's a recent innovation and I think a good one, but he's employed for the purpose, not a presenter. Presumably he gets inside info.
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Must say smokey as an ex avid watcher of the Morning Line I haven't been the same with the Opening Show.
I hate to be negative about things but I found it so watered down on occasions it was like a cooking programme demonstrating how to boil an egg. I have heard of Tipping Tom when watching an episode recently but payed it little notice, I don't often pay much attention to the presenters unless they really come across as very strong on one then i'll add it into the mix. When it comes to tips I have paid far more attention to friends who I rate rather than columnists. I am fortunate to know what I would class as a couple of very good judges who throw any "info" they get my way. Some is info, some just an opinion. If Tipping Tom is genuine and it gives people interest on a Saturday morning to have a flutter personally I'm all for it |
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Dela has been battered more times than Harry Ramsdens Cod
Getting back to the OP,I have no difficulty with Tipsters as I don't take a blind bit of notice. Each to their own |
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No disrespect the fellow HN but Ken Pitterson ( I think that’s his name, if wrong I apologise ) is hardly compelling. Chapman is rarely so but at least gets stuck into matters of importance. Oliver is a skilled and experienced anchor.
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