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05 Jul 25
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dont think involves 1st 2.
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didn't need to get tied up in that one
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Surely have to reverse given fine margin, the intimidation cost the second
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i got em mixed up wen seen blv hd on
 interference is very marginal again..lost no momentum..but only won inches..same as the one earlier. |
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made him go half a stride sidewards ,all count when its nose,i,d say he lost by less than the brush cost him
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revised.
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Who are these people making o meara 1/5 shot to keep race, my God
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They got burned too last day at Leicester too
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think it 1.25 on here to keep the race.....think the decision is harsh
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At least mics will not need to threaten to kick in someones back door
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getting a disq for that you're never safe in this game.
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packed in early first view this morning. Got to appeal. Pole Star gave a bump in the earlier race We dare to Dream didn't. ShH v nose but a bump more significant. No wonder fpp was sub 1/5
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Who are these people making o meara 1/5 shot to keep race, my God Post your big lay mics
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Was only 1.2 before the head on was shown on rtv, then it drifted right out.
Once they determine interference took place and the distance is a nose, hard to argue then that it didn't influence the result. |
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What about pole star cider ? He bumped the other horse. Short head.
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"Was only 1.2 before the head on was shown on rtv, then it drifted right out." You make it sound like there was only a short time between the finish and rtv showing the head on. If you're talking main channel it was 4:57:37 race finish 5:02:53 head on.
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A SH is obviously further than a nose, so there is marginal wiggle room there. And the nose was a few pixels. The grey was in front immediately after the line. In the second case anyway, I can't see how they could not turn it around once it was confirmed there was interference suffered, however marginal. The first one it is plausible to argue that fptp would still have won.
I'd say if you are on the fptp by a nose, and there is a stewards, your only hope is that there was actually no interference (or they harmed each other equally, or indeed, the second caused it). |
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No it was 1.2 as they showed the head on. I was following it as I laid the fptp in the photo betting. When the head on was shown I tried to get more but had to lay 1.4, a few seconds later it was 1.7ish
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you laid it in the photo betting because you thought it WASN'T fptp I take it ?
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yup. greys can be tricky to place in photos and at the prices it was worth a stab
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they shouldn't be swayed by such things but they were making no trainer happy by switching in the former race but made Rod happy in the latter
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you could argue them [ pundits ] , us as punters have brought it on ourselves ,we,re now told a horse going straight has a stride length of 18m +,if as in this case the horse during that stride is knocked slightly sideways hard to argue it hasnt lost him at least a nose
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makes a mockery yesterday of dawson wiping out.interfering to different amounts with 4 of the 1st 5 home and keeping the race
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Cider 06 Jul 25 12:16
yup. greys can be tricky to place in photos and at the prices it was worth a stab walofs..the winner had clearly won on the slo mo. |
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problem with winning a nose is 'if' its caused some kind of interference the likeyhood is its getting disq.
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yes obviously once everyone has seen the slow motion then the market will be more accurate. if i play in photos I try to take a position before everyone has seen the slow motion. this can be a very short window, even non existent, depending on when the market is unsuspended, and the slow motion broadcast.
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so guessing
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no. most I presume like me have a perception in their mind of what won the nod. then I look at the prices, and if there's enough juice to play vs my first impression, I will. I am not set up to win fff battles, and have no inclination to try. but I can win on instinct.
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ive seens dozens win live imo that have lost..its guessing.
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if one's won by a nose and it's a bobbing finish it's deffo guessing. Of course if you think the market is way wrong there is an opportunity but how often would a large majority be wrong and cider right ? Maybe he will post his last 12 months photo bets.
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It's obviously not guessing as you've just seen the finish, and betting based on what you've just seen. Guessing would be betting on it without having viewed it. Obviously better information will soon follow, but the market will correct accordingly.
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sounds like you are suggesting Rico is clueless and you are a live photo wizz...think he will be back
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ive seens dozens win live imo that have lost.
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his MO is beating people to the price. if I wait to view the slow motion of freeze frame, I wouldn't be betting on the photos as I have no edge in that space
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doesn't matter what his MO is. We are talking about something else.
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my big betting edge is specials and the people who bet heavily in specials had lengthy discussions about this sort of thing, ie strategies and methodology. doesn't matter how you win long term, it's just important that you do. people religiously follow social media and polls for their positions, and it can work for them. whereas the market being formed around those variables gave me my edge.
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not all that clear what the point is to be honest. if I just watch the finish of the race, and the market is unsuspended due to a photo, me taking a position based on the prices and what I have just seen is not guessing. which you two appear to be claiming it is. another discussion where we can agree to disagree!
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trouble is what evidence of your success ( to prove it's not guessing ) is produced ? All we have at the moment is you backed a grey horse on Saturday that was not fptp.
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if cider gets odds against on every photo that its tite live then he will prob win over time.
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having been here for over 20yrs and not daft you'd be surprised if he wasn't
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