RAOYAL ASCOT DRAW

Only if they reroute it to Chester

Although high nos favoured up to 7f , there is a ' golden highway ' (in theory ) from stall 1 where the water doesnt quite reach .

Seagul said he pays no attention to the draw! You’d expect split fields so I’m taking his and going for one hoping that it’ll be at an advantage! Here’s to hope!

Just tried to put a Ryan Moore ttc 7 fold for a pound on Bet356
Just in case, you never know... Was about 170,000 to 1, plus BOG
Restricted to 6 folds only on these combo of selections
Must be fearing another Frankie day

I'm not feeling the buzz for Ascot this year. I've always enjoyed the week. Must be me.

I think it's the mass wealth around Ascot that's affected me more than I realized.

'Trident', same here. The knockback on betting by bookies, and the non-running hotpots eg Kyprios and Lake Victoria have taken the buzz and enthusiasm this year. Also, apart from Treanmor (5/4) in The Chesham on saturday there's no outstanding horse imo.

The wealth is obscene, and the money spent in the sales is beyond apprehension when there is so starvation and conflict around the world. How much tax is paid on each sale? I hope it's 50%+ for these wealthy buyers/speculators.

Impossible that’s some statement when we have so much potential with the two year olds. Some cracking races for the older horses and the unknowns amongst them.

I’m more disappointed that Sardinian Warrior is a non runner than those shorties, seems that the excitement of something running big at a price doesn’t muster any enthusiasm from many. Life without risk and chance is stagnant.

It’s unfashionable to say but there is also a hell of a lot of wealth in Jumps racing and Chelts. If anything the money and buying the best is making that boring.

Every year I'd target 3/4 juveniles for the following year. But, a few have been sideline and missed Royal Ascot.

Wealth is being used much more to buy excellence and fame and glory. We'd had this in the old days too but it was never translated into near total dominance. Also, the ability to produce their own in numbers eg Coolmore is a distinct advantage against their counterparts, and others not privy to enviable access.

BBC is reporting that the Gambling Commission is investigating Adult Gaming Centres in the high streets. And, Royal Ascot is patronized by the King and Queen. Shocking!!

Wealth is being used much more to buy excellence and fame and glory. We'd had this in the old days too, but it was never translated into near total dominance.

Good horse!

Something doesn't feel right about Ascot this year... To me anyway

The sun is out and I for one am looking forwards to it, wealth is everywhere these days and lots of you are rolling in it!

So cheer up guys as the song goes, “Don’t bring me dooooown Bruce!”

And impossible you know I’ve mentioned my dislike of greed. Remember how Field of Golds connections gobbled up that 4/1 for the Irish 2000 before it was confirmed that he was a runner?!!

Judging by his previous quotes I ddont think Impossible knows FOG is running, not surprising.

Guessing game till about 3.10.

High numbers in sprints seems to be the edge so far.
They'll get the watering can out later

The maximum temperature recorded at the track was 26C and the going remains good to firm, good in places with clerk of the course Chris Stickels set to apply 5mm to both the straight and round courses on Tuesday evening'

That will be the average of more on the stands side and less on the rails.

This 5f race could be the high side if the draw, or really low?

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Still a Golden Highway.

First 6 in the Brittania 1 Mile straight

29 30 28 27 31 12

First 6 in The Buckingham Palace 7f straight

28 29 32 30 25 31

A lot can depend on how the watering is done day to day. Will they try and even up the track?

The 2nd and 3rd in the Hunt Cup were drawn 1 and 2...winner and 4th 30 and 32..

Tom Segal who is usually loathed to say that horses can't win from one side of the draw in sprints is sounding out high numbers as boss.

The rails is ALWAYS favoured on G/F in straight course races, always has been always will be

Good chance they will try to correct it by watering but can they put enough on in this weather to make much difference? The far rail is also chopped up by runners on the round course.

Low numbers aren't going to win if most of the sheep choose to come down the stands side. As lead on says, in the Hunt Cup the far side were only just beat and only by the hot fav widely tipped to be a group horse in a hcp.

...I always thought, and was told,  that irrigation spraying machines couldn't  get right into either rail.......maybe completely wrong

That was a serious edge we’ve just had with high numbers, if they don’t water to level it up it’s a great day again

But how many are described as high? 5, 10 horses? The Sandringham at 5.00 is the tricky one for me. I fancy Oolong Poobong (21) and Zgharta (25). Is 21 too far from the rail? It will depend on the skill of the jockey in getting near the rail in the last 3 furlongs and not getting boxed. How Oisin got so much room on Never So Brave was a miracle. What were the other jockeys thinking?

Stickles was saying where the grass gets compressed or compacted that it stops the absorption.

Dela,

I like stickels, but as COTC at the worlds top meeting he needs to be much better than that and provide zero draw bias. Owners pay a small fortune for a winner here and the draw bias is as horrenous as usual

Agree having done bets days before, I have little to lose compared to any owner or trainer that might be now fretting about the draw.

Rouget pulled his out of the French 2000 rather than run it as it was drawn badly and you couldn’t blame anyone else here for doing so.

Was just relaying what he’d said to the new chap on at the races earlier.

Haggas spoke well of Sky Majesty but doesn’t like the draw but that could also be because the main ones at the top of the market are well away from her.

He was also negative about his winner yesterday -  Merchant but the stats guys gave reasoning for why that was ok.

The way courses are watered and ground manipulated isn’t up to it all round I’d say. It’s a continual gripe of punters and no doubt trainers and owners.

no water absorption where grass is compacted by horses running it
as both sides will have equal amount of horses running on it and no ones winning down the middle where there's less usage
other than filler something to say how does that help anyone ?
the going stick on 1st2 days showed fastest ground far side but they were still winning up standside

What to make of that! There’s still hope!

If I had his email or number I’d pass it on to you all!

The jockeys drawn high did not want the rail, perhaps had more water put on?

Looks like the middle now.

Bloom was on @ 12/1 despite the draw! Confidence in her justified.

what ever they did last night, the draw bias appears to be less so far but they were both 6 furlongs conditions races rather than 7 or 8 furlong handicaps which was where the big bias was yesterday.

You have to wonder what the jockeys are doing by keeping apart there after the first and not converging as one in the center!

You’re cattle trucked if you try to work out what they’ll do!

They havent even tried to go for the stands rail racing around 3 widths shy.

Can you imagine the phone would be hot to the powers that be, 5 favourites won punters are beating us easily you need to water this near side or we will lose a fortune, it’s always been that way brown envelopes always for watering, I knew 30 years ago, they won’t allow you to keep winning, like Y , R, B, to name a few, it’s done to make you lose, so over we go to low now but it could be mixed it’s just sodded up our small advantage

There is nothing straightforward about jocks. Heaven forbid you would almost think they do their best to deceive punters. Normally if there looks like a bias it doesn't normally take this long for them to change it round.

That said I thought Rayevka was coming to win that, and didn't see it out. She wants an easier six. Connections will be hoping that Zarigana does see it out in a weak Coronation. No excuses today.

no doubt they've put 5 mil on knowing it would be cloudy and cooler than yesterday

High numbers still have it at 1m 4f so let’s see

high numbers will be coming down the middle of the track in the 1m4f

unless they drop in

Diff the Aga filly lost it by tracking over, that’s having a French jock for you. She’s covered most ground.

I’d ask you all to watch back and see the team tactics by Amo.

Kia I’m glad your colt blew out!

Watch (on itv) Egan stops to have the strap tightened and Rossa comes by on the other one. Looks at him and Egan visibly shakes his head, then is vocal. I’d love to know Harvey what he was saying. Ryan looked concerned.

Play it back the work rider said he expected a big run from Arizona Blaze this morn.

Ryan rode his in my view like a scolded cat after having missed the break to try and mess up the chances of anything that stayed far side by going too fast!
Instead the strong pace helped Time For Sandals

The moral winner must the Aga filly who must have covered (guess the distance) extra ground by leaving that group with the winner and ending up closest to the stands rail of all.

Romans built straight roads for reason Mikel! (Head in hands)

Question - was the strap tightened to keep all the others loaded that much little bit longer and waiting for the fancied Arizona Blaze?

I expect you all to laugh but it’s there for those who look back.

What is this witchcraft

So has the stands side bias been watered out , or are the jockeys brain dead?  Its either 1 or both those options.

High no chance today.

A disgrace really.

horses halving in price or doubling in price because pof draw overnight and COCnot having that ,absolute joke, high again tomorrow probably,

it really is a joke. to put 6mil on the straight course and change the track completely, knowing the forecast was for cloud.

jocks no ,standside is a no ,no silver ghost there drawn 20 odd,went all the way over round the back and finished in about drawn 7

Was on Cajole there, had a good look at the track

She was pretty unlucky, left in front a furlong too soon.

joint favs in the last 9 and 17

40 jocks ignored standside all afternoon and seb sanders still thinks its place to be,says middle is no no despite 1st winner going up the middle

Big drifter sets up race for strong stayer up far rail

What's not to like

Most of the fancied one's in the Wokingham including the very short priced favourite drawn high. Had to laugh at Segal continually making a song an dance about ignoring the draw at Ascot. Is he that clueless? Your chance on the straight course so often depends on where you are drawn. Even when you are lucky it doesn't always work. Arabian Leopard was the backed horse drawn low 33/1-16/1, but just tailed off. Every year we get the clerk suggesting the going stick is similar across the track so how is it we rarely get a mix of winners on the same day? It seems to be one side or the other, and that can change on a daily basis. How does that encourage any sort of betting in advance? People will now look at low numbers tomorrow, but who knows?

They are cheats, it's that simple. Clearly they've turned the high draw into a swamp and of course the "right" people knew. The parasite class wins again.

It needs calling out .But nobodys going to rock the corrupt gravy train

Bookies been out with watering cans overnight...

It all puts me off bothering again next year.  I’m not a fan of many of these jocks and today they reminded me of why!

Love watching Walsh talk rides however, one of the greatest horsemen I’ve been luck enough to see.

He educates and no matter that it’s a different discipline he knows horses.

Time for an Independent Body to take the going stick readings of the whole course, three/four hours before racing starts and publish globally.

Golden highway avoided like the plague after yesterdays results and this morning going stick readings:GoingStick
Going Stick readingStand side: 8.7, Centre: 8.4, Farside: 8.5, Round: 7.1 on Friday 20th June at 8.15am.  showing stands side to be quickest .YET not 1 horse attempts to come down the stand rail. Defies  logic.

Let's call it as it is. Stickels was on the opening show this morning lying through his teeth. Saying he watered 5mm ALL parts of the course. The results tell us different stickels. How much did the crookies pay you to over water the stands side Thursday evening?  And NOT tell everyone on the opening show eh. You were paid by the crookies to conceal the truth. How big was the brown envelope stickels?

Only fair Ascot is when it is soft, Stickels cant water and as long it is a rainy week the draw advantage will hold up.

Most of the the media are baffled by the change of the draw bias.

Of course they are, afraid to call out the truth.

Tampered ground.

No if's or but's, that is what it is.

What the bookmaker owned Greyhound tracks have been doing for years, Any sign of bias and flood the track.  Dont forget this is going global ( worldpool ) They ( course management) are trying there hardest to make it as random as anything. imo.

geoff m 20 Jun 25 17:06 
So has the stands side bias been watered out , or are the jockeys brain dead?  Its either 1 or both those options.

The latter.

geoff m 20 Jun 25 17:06
So has the stands side bias been watered out , or are the jockeys brain dead?  Its either 1 or both those options.

The former.  There’s no way they’d turn down the golden highway if it ran the same as the previous day. Some decent money on offer to them and they’d all want a piece of it.

Just speculating, it could be bonkers hehe. Say they water heavily after racing, does the massive stand create a shadow across part the straight track in this type of weather, between watering and the start of racing the following day? Obviously early morning the sun is low, and it's the longest days of the year right now.

I notice on a map of Ascot racecourse that the stand is facing almost directly north.

^ that's is correct Cider but then shouldn't it have also meant the stands side dried out less quickly on the opening three days when he also watered yet clearly it was faster ground right on the stand rail - just look at the first two in the Buckingham Palace who both scrapped paint.
The v variance and change from day to day  only be due to different watering on different parts of the track - which is not being divulged by the CoC.

The watering was probably more consistent, ie through the day in the lead up. I don't know but people only started saying that the ground was really quick on day 2. So panic watering after day 2? I imagine in the really warm weather, the moisture evaporates in direct sunlight before it can have an effect, but in the shade it will 'get in'.

So there would be some logic to the hypothesis that the ground closest to the stand side is in shade the longest. And the effect would be gradual. It would also mean that it was pretty uniform on the straight track until they reach the massive stands.

Personally, I'd say it's pretty unlikely to be deliberately manipulated.

Think the shade question comes into play later in the year when the sun becomes lower in the sky and on soft grounnd the far side holds an advantage.
No doubt the stand side was heavily watered which meant when the jockeys/trainers walked the track they would realise this hence keeping away from it.

My theory though is that it's the timing of the watering, during the meeting itself. I'd say when they aren't racing it's more straight forward. In an ideal world there would be no irrigation during the meeting, but in this weather, not feasible.

Hard water both highways
Give middle spin today

Well it helped to get me a 33/1 winner as I went low and I’m not sure yet of how the bias will work today and will just bet as the day goes on, Beverley is the only course who stated they water the low numbers in sprints to give those drawn high more of a even chance, as many years ago all the high numbers were withdrawn as the bias was massive, ascot has done the same imo but they haven’t told you and that’s bordering on fraud imo, there should be details published which states what was watered each side and  middle and when, not one of those tv presenters have said anything they should be ashamed of themselves

The Low numbers only came into play after Luke shouted down the camera " Dont back low numbers "   Highlight of the week for me.

Draw bias is part of the reason but jockey reaction is another. Some winners up the stand side were up there throughout but others were well back and got a run though. I would expect jockeys to block anyone gambling on a stands side run.