Colin Keane

So cloone the answer is the racing enthusiast doesn't watch the racing after all

Jun 8, 2025 -- 10:14PM, G Hall wrote:

Why

Because he's still raging Shoemark got the bullet and in his mind if the next jockey fails it will mean he was right all along.

How often is he going to come over here? It gives them options to ditch Murphy and Hayes. I did suggest the other day that Kalpana could benefit from getting rid of Murphy. Soumillon will be disappointed to lose the ride on Sunly.

Colin Keane is at Limerick tonight G.Hall if you want to see how good he is.

Didn’t have to wait long cloone

The two rides at York Ebor day last year, this years French 2000 guineas, Westover King George....

Not a great start there.

Just unlucky Clerkmore

No mistake with that one.

https://x.com/AtTheRaces/status/1933241895016157202

Proof again what a clown Chapman is. As I suggested earlier on the thread he clearly hopes Keane is a failure.

Thanks for putting that up MJK Chapman probably does not watch Irish flat racing.

An interesting week awaits….

Anybody doubting Keane knows little about racing

Chapman ranting and raving yesterday to get the going changed after a bit of rain and on the basis of an amateur riders' contest...Not sure the times later on the card justified it.

Anyone know what Timeform have adjusted the going to?

What Matt is saying is Keane stinking the place out on those big race rides and not a word compared to Kieron Shoemark getting slaughtered ....

Becket readily admits that it was entirely his fault for Westover in the King George as he was far too keen throughout.
In a nutshell,you are talking nonsense itsfuntorun

Now now keep it civil, apart from the fact that Beckett couldnt possibly have caused the horse to run free, he immediately replaced Keane with Rob Hornby for the Arc, what do you think of the 2 rides on last years Ebor day or the 2 rides Chapman is referencing????

I don't care a jot about Chapman's opinions.
I shouldn't have to tell you but The King George run followed on two races in the English and Irish Derby.
The horse was given a decent break before its next race.
You either understand horses or you don't.

Ok,but  Westover ran 3 races in 2023 in much the same timespan, second in the coronation cup, should have won in my opinion, won the group 1 in France and second in the king George. Beckett never put Keane up again.What about the 2 rides at york Ebor day 2024????????

Becket stated that he should not have run the horse in The King George.
You are entitled to your opinion but I suspect Juddmonte might just be a better judge of a jockey than you.

Jun 13, 2025 -- 2:54PM, Itsfuntorun wrote:

What Matt is saying is Keane stinking the place out on those big race rides and not a word compared to Kieron Shoemark getting slaughtered ....

Chapman couldn't care one iota about those rides, though he's no doubt spent hours researching any poor Keane ride he could find. All he cares about is trying to justify his ridiculous championing of Shoemark as the next Piggott. That's what this is all about. He just can't accept that he was wrong.

Shoemark is not fit to polish Keane's boots

Every jockey (no matter how good) will ride the odd poor race

Jun 13, 2025 -- 4:23PM, uptheirons wrote:

Becket stated that he should not have run the horse in The King George.You are entitled to your opinion but I suspect Juddmonte might just be a better judge of a jockey than you.

I would have gave Rossa Ryan a go but fair enough i will leave it at that, no hard feelings, thats what forums are for.

Jun 13, 2025 -- 4:23PM, MJK wrote:

Jun 13, 2025 --  2:54PM, Itsfuntorun wrote:What Matt is saying is Keane stinking the place out on those big race rides and not a word compared to Kieron Shoemark getting slaughtered ....Chapman couldn't care one iota about those rides, though he's no doubt spent hours researching any poor Keane ride he could find. All he cares about is trying to justify his ridiculous championing of Shoemark as the next Piggott. That's what this is all about. He just can't accept that he was wrong.

I suspect you are right MJK.

Exactly,itsfuntorun.
Otherwise,we would all be trying to back the same horse

Chapman,like McFatso before him are only interested in self promotion

I find Shoemark a very decent bloke and wish him all the best in the future btw

As do I,MJK

Jun 13, 2025 -- 5:11PM, MJK wrote:

I find Shoemark a very decent bloke and wish him all the best in the future btw

Fair play to you, i do as well, anybody who comes back from addiction problems has my respect, i was there my self, a terrible time, Keane a grand fella as well,
, But that irons fella, oh my god. Only joking uptheirons.

One last thing MJK, i detest Chapman.

Got out of jail there?

Got out of jail there?

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He did but many a jockey out there wouldn't have had the nous to get out of there in time,the way that race panned out he won a race he had no right to win.

head on showed him in a good light, didn't even lift the whip. obviously needed a slice of good luck as well.

Kept his head and didn't barge his way out,he's been riding the pants off everyone in Ireland for the last few years and that takes a bit of doing and is an excellent jockey.

actually the figs suggest otherwise 2020 onwards

today
boxed in far rail on sprint track, hooked off the rail push button acceleration just got there
all about the horse imo

Nonsense wonders.
The horse needs covering up and as such is a hostage to fortune at Sandown but that's the way it needs riding.
He kept his cool and was value for more

actually the figs suggest otherwise 2020 onwards

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Champion jockey in Ireland the last 4 years???

you rate jockeys by winner totals?

Jun 14, 2025 -- 3:04PM, punchestown wrote:

Kept his head and didn't barge his way out,he's been riding the pants off everyone in Ireland for the last few years and that takes a bit of doing and is an excellent jockey.

Ryan Moore says hello...

There are posters on here who would have thought Lester Piggott wasn't top class.
Would it make them right?

you rate jockeys by winner totals

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Do you watch Irish flat racing?

do you rate jockeys by winner totals?

this time try not to answer with another question

The problem is if you use expectation, the top jockeys, including Keane tangibly impact the sp. So it's self perpetuating. If Moore rode the Derby winner, what would the sp have been?

Jun 14, 2025 -- 3:45PM, Cider wrote:

The problem is if you use expectation, the top jockeys, including Keane tangibly impact the sp. So it's self perpetuating. If Moore rode the Derby winner, what would the sp have been?

clearly would have been much shorter but that's a different issue altogether as its perceived pecking order of stablemates

The question was rhetorical,I don't rate jockeys by their winner totals but by their abilities,you stated the statistics stated otherwise I just queried what are you talking about?

punchestown • June 14, 2025 3:47 PM BST
I don't rate jockeys by their winner totals

punchestown • June 14, 2025 3:24 PM BST
Champion jockey in Ireland the last 4 years

so what are you quoting them for then?

It's an extreme example but a horse without Moore could go off at 4/1 and with him jocked up 5/2.

That form of analysis assumes the sp reflects the true chance over hundreds of tests. But it doesn't really. Keane will nearly always be over bet.

He rode a stinker on White Birch when behind Los Angeles in Ireland.

try a horse like the teal horse in the lockinge

went off 2/1 fav

what price do you think that goes off if rossa ryan keeps the ride?

And it's right that the market reflects who the jockey is. But in the long run, it won't accurately be reflected in the outcomes (imho).

punchestown • June 14, 2025 3:47 PM BST
I don't rate jockeys by their winner totals

punchestown • June 14, 2025 3:24 PM BST
Champion jockey in Ireland the last 4 years

so what are you quoting them for then?

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The only reason I mentioned that was because you said "actually the figs suggest otherwise 2020 onwards",what figures are you talking about?

Jun 14, 2025 -- 3:50PM, Cider wrote:

It's an extreme example but a horse without Moore could go off at 4/1 and with him jocked up 5/2. That form of analysis assumes the sp reflects the true chance over hundreds of tests. But it doesn't really. Keane will nearly always be over bet.

that lockinge had moore, murphy, buick, rossa ryan, marquand, shoemark, levey, SDS
hannon 2 runners but essentially no pecking order information revealed by the jockey bookings

its not giving moore 8.5% upgrade imo (5/2 from 4/1)

The Lockinge market reflected that several of the prominent runners were expected to come on for the race.

I just think it's impossible for those types of jockeys to beat expectation as there mere presence on the horse impacts the expectation. A Frankie, Moore, Murphy, Keane.

simply is not in the figures as he's not above those 7 riders to that extent & not even above some of them
otherwise moore is a blanket lay all rides

Keane winning the title 4 years in a row is an achievement and is a world apart from when the very average Joseph O'Brien doing so under the nepotistic Coolmore

its not giving moore 8.5% upgrade imo (5/2 from 4/1)


Not every race, as the market will gravitate to the correct prices generally. Definitely there will be that type of differential in early trading.

If it was that easy we could lay them all!

dancing gemini what price with rossa ryan?

There are lies,damn lies and statistics

Don't know off the top of my head. As I alluded to that particular market was significantly influenced by the weakness of runners having their first run of the season.

the market will gravitate to the correct prices generally

this is what I think

back in the day pre-BF top jockeys likely a few % underpriced
but those prices weren't layable in the open market

cider he's going off 2/1

It will yes but jockeys like Keane are starting off with a handicap as them being jocked up on the horse materially impacts the market (on the short side).

They are often jocked up as the connections fancy the horse (outside rides). So it's self fulfilling, like I said. Personally I wouldn't use expectation to judge results for a jockey where them simply being jocked up usually influences the market.

with respect I think you're underestimating fluid markets
tissue prices/early shows to no money...maybe
but BSP there's no chance perceived top riders are crashing horses circa 8.5%

5f listed race today
keane 2nd fav
moore 3rd fav

implying 4 & 9/2 bar crisford horse

Jun 14, 2025 -- 4:09PM, Cider wrote:

It will yes but jockeys like Keane are starting off with a handicap as them being jocked up on the horse materially impacts the market (on the short side).They are often jocked up as the connections fancy the horse (outside rides). So it's self fulfilling, like I said. Personally I wouldn't use expectation to judge results for a jockey where them simply being jocked up usually influences the market.

last point on this
the perceived top jockeys largely benefit imo from riding top of pecking order
such as in maidens

be lucky

Very good jockey (Nap)

No nonsense slow pace and possibly getting trapped behind horses not going backwards, instead it was a strong pace, they fell away and the best horse went past them, Shoemark and any number of other jockeys would have won on that today.

That was not good from Keene. He got caught on the outside 3-deep. I wonder what Mr Gosden will say to him.

The same as he would say to you implausible.
F/A

There he goes again!  Rotflmao.  Can’t be civil to anyone.

You seem a tad  fixated Poncho

Very.  Courtesy costs nothing.  We have all been abusive at one time or another you however are at it all the time.
Be lucky, think for ten seconds then shut you gob.  That’s my advice.

The day I need advice from a person with the intellect of a lobotomized chimp I will ask for your advice poncho.
You have neither the wit or wisdom to debate with me.
IHTH

You’re a topper and have made my day.
If it takes two Landaners a day to dig a hole how long will it take four Landaners to dig half a hole?

As I said

Looks like Mr Keane had a stunning ascot there from a load of rides.

Jockey fanship in backing runners = route to the poorhouse

The fella he replaced had twice the amount of winners, well done Kieran.

Colin is a home town hero. Knows the nooks and crannies of Irish tracks and their uniqueness. I don't think he's international class.

Colin is a home town hero. Knows the nooks and crannies of Irish tracks and their uniqueness. I don't think he's international class.

He's on probation with me. He's the choice of Juddmonte, from a depleted field of available jockeys. Maybe he got the gig as the redemption for Field Of Gold was in Ireland. Anyway, he needs to win on him again in the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood and the Juddmonte Int at York.

Of course he does.  Just like every other jockey engaged to ride top flight horses in the best races.  Your point is, or, rather, your insightful point that none of us would ever have worked out for ourselves is?

Can he not do 8st 7lbs for Juddmonte in the first race?

I hope the Juddmonte boys weren't watching that race!

He wasn't employed on a whim.

4 runners & boxed in

A plonker! Maybe he did not watch his counterparts in The Sussex.

shocking ride- last of 4 ffs

blames everything but himself -

Waiting for Hislop to say she totally agrees...

The horse does not stay and definitely has doggo tendencies

For how long will he remain as the retainer to Juddmonte? That was as bad as it could get. A 4-runner race, he was boxed in like a fish. A brain-less individual. I do not even have a bean on him.

You are to race reading as I am to Nuclear Fission,implausible

I wish him all the best, but he has made a few blunders since getting the job. He will be under pressure to keep this job, if it keeps happening.

He needs a good run of error free rides from now on.

He needs to ride as a jockey with a Plan B when facing a dead end. He rode virtually an identical race on White Birch in the Gold Cup at The Curragh. Also, he needs to own up when it goes drastically wrong like yesterday on Cosmic Year, and White Birch.

He cannot afford any more professional incompetence esp on Group races.

Seems to have a crisis of confidence already...bet he's glad he missed the ride on Fields of Gold..

A week to forget for Colin Keane

Missed the break on the very well-backed Royal Entry, by many lengths

The horse has done so before,poppy

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