The media could of said,trained killer,with a string of failed business s ,was unhappy waiting having to wait in a queue for people who was disrupting his lazy bank holiday,then because someone pushed his wing mirror ,decided to plough down 79 people.
His ,I was getting strangled defence,seems weak,given he opened the door freely then closed it,then speeded up.
If fans were hanging out of his window,you could understand flight or fight.

Why haven’t the cps ,charged him with attempted murder,then let the court and jury decide.

They normally love over charging.

Point out how they would prove "intent" to kill goingdownhill?  If you had read all the posts you would see I said it would not pass CPS, best advice to you and your speculating cohorts, give it up as you are clueless and as bad as the Social Media keyboard warriors doing exactly what the CPS and Police asked you not to do?

Tbf they underestimate how thick you all are imvho!!

Have you read any guesses or speculation GC or false facts?

No one knows intent,that’s why we ve got courts ,judges and juries,trust the system,let them decide.

A judge can tell the jury to find him not guilty if the evidence doesn’t reach the threshold of attempted murder,if it does,the jury can then decide.

They charge for easy wins ,in most cases,to save jury trials,as courts can’t afford it or have time.

But in high profile cases ,they usually go for the biggest charge possible,then adjust along the way.

They’ve aimed low here,he clearly will plead guilty,so no trial.

The public,surely would want a trial.

Everyone is asking,why did he do it ,what was his intent,logic.

They tend to love over charging in big cases to look strong,to clamp down on crime,to deter future crimes.

People posting on Facebook,get charged with inciting riot or terroism,

Someone near a riot,nicks a bottle of water,gets 2 years in prison.

This guy,had loads of time to assess the situation,300 yards,but still carried on ,trying to push gently his way home,then ploughed 79 down cos they banged on his door.plus on a closed road.

Why didn’t he park up,200 yards before,and think,I ve no chance of getting home yet,I ll come back for the car.

Why would anyone attempt to drive through city centre when it’s full and roads are closed.

The wife’s got a lot to answer.

Love,drop me on water street,I’m getting my nails done,
Can you walk last 100 yards love,no drop me at the door.

We don’t know,and never will cos,no trial.

Moment of madness excuse,fight or flight excuse,looks weak,given he queued for 300 yards gently pushing his way through crowd.

They clearly thought.
Are you serious,why you trying to get your car down this road,so banged on his car.

If you want evidence of what a mob will do to a driver of a suspect car, go to YouTube and enter Corporal Killings Belfast. Pick the one fronted by Moira Stewart. If you found yourself in this position what would you do?

except that was the IRA /supporters?  this was not war and 10's of police 50/100 yards away ?

If you think driving a car into hundreds of people to save your own skin is a reasonable idea you’d have to be some psycho.

Having seen some footage I don't think the attempted murder charge is an open and shut case.  He seemed to be driving at about 5-10 mph.  If you are trying to kill and injure people he'd have driven a lot faster, and fear of personal safety may have led in part to his actions.  It's clear that his actions on another day could have led to deaths.  I don't know the letter of the law myself, so it depends on that, and I think on the letter of the law he probably is guilty.  Being high on drugs is no defence ofc and he is clearly guilty of all the other charges.

You don't need to prove intent to be guilty of murder.  Suspect for attempted murder it's the same.

To prove murder the police have to prove Malice Aforethought and the Guilty State Of Mind i.e intent Clyde.

You also thin Putin is justified in murdering thousands including children so your opinion is somewhat irrelevant Komrade!!

Panic, they were trying to get him out of the car and he knew he’d be fkd, he lost it imo and those split second decisions when your in panic mode can seem very odd but he just had to get away to save his life, yes it’s wrong and he is guilty imo but it’s not normal that he would do that, put yourself in a situation where they will kill you if you get out and you need to flee, it’s a strange one and sad its happened

." they will kill you if you get out"    I think he would likely have survived.  He was a sober ex-Marine. He is white. There were many coppers close by.

few will agree and he will likely never admit it but he couldn't stand people damaging his car but there were too many for him to stop without driving away

A friend said he hadn't had a drink in 20 years.

zzzzz.
Hth.

yes fishface

you being asleep does help. stay that way

youve said western media is corrupt and spreads anti-russian propaganda and that putin is a wise and logical man. not a word of cricisism for bringing full-scale war back to europe. and you take a brutal dictator a face value and ignore his repeated statements that ukraine is 'our land'. f all to do with nato, its a smokescreen

the iron curtain was created by the ussr. the red army never left after ww2. those behind it didnt have a choice. those who had weapons on their soil waanted them and could have got rid. canada and mexico do not. and in this super-hypothetical situation the us. unvades, will you be in support. no

in return for russian guarantees not to attack or interfere in its affairs ukraine gave away its nuclear weapons at the budapest accord. heres a tiny bit of it;

The Russian Federation is committed “to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Furthermore, they include an acknowledgment of the obligation under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. This includes refraining from using weapons against Ukraine (except when international law allows, for example in a case of self-defense)."


hows that going?

I also understand the car nutter is white english which will disappoint all the usual suspects...Maybe he converted to islam???