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oneten, you came on with your aftertimed betting expertise, this thread was more about the alarming drift of the (hurdle) form horse and its subsequent performance/ride.
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as for your private workings and edge, you followed the money (clearly you didn't fancy the 10s available) and have nicely back-fitted your reasoning, well done.
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Sorry but this is what I mean. If you don't ride you can't see it. find someone else on the forum who can ride and ask them.
What I'm telling you is happening is fact, whether you are able to see it or not. 6 or 7 strides before take off at the first in the back straight and it does the same again 6 or 7 strides out from the last hurdle it jumps, you can see it hanging badly to the left and the jock is pulling with both his hands to the offside to try to correct it. I can see from his hands and the horse's head carriage and the angle of it's head, that it's trying to **** it's jaw. You can poo poo me as much as you like but if you're so sure you are right, then email it into the studio and tell them you think it looks dodgy and ask one of the ex jocks on the panel to review it. They'll tell you the same. Then be man enough to come back on here and apologise. |
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6 or 7 strides out from the last hurdle it jumps, you can see it hanging badly to the left and the jock is pulling with both his hands to the offside to try to correct it.
not what i seen..he's strangling it and hands are in centre of its back. |
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Whatever swifty. You are showing yourself to be a loser who can't stand it that someone can have sound workings and read form.
If you haven't got an edge then there is no point being on here. I didn't take 10s because I didn't see 10s . When I went through the race it was already down to 3.8 to 4 1 . So I missed the bigger prices . Annoyed yes, but i am truthful and didn't pretend I got fancy prices, so I fail to see what your issue is. Sounds like jealousy to me, but maybe you'll enlighten me ? I have no need to follow the money nor backfit. In case you hadn't noticed I quite often stick bets up pre race on here and most win. Unlike yourself , who I've never seen post an opinion / winning advice before a race ? |
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Rico, that's what you see. But with no disrespect if you can ride a ton of horse flesh at 30 miles per hour over a fence then you'd be seeing what I can see.
I can't teach it and I can't explain it any better. Sorry. If I was wrong , how can you explain the rp in running comments are almost exactly the same as my appraisal of the horse ? And I didn't look at the rp until an hour or so ago when I said that I did. |
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The horse drifted. Plenty (including yourself) knew she was not going to perform to her best. That's the issue here, the pulling up just competed the job.
I can't say i've ever noticed your tips, I don't follow tips on an anonymous forum full of wannabes and fantasists. As for jealousy, not really my thing, the drift and ride was interesting, I had it with 3 other winners in a bet, I will admit it was a lazy selection in hindsight but I still shouldn't have all but known my fate before the race was run. What has the trainer done with the horse since he's had her, that's really the question for me. Anyway, well done on your win, you'll find out how much expert fee you'll be paying in just an hour! |
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Swifty , I dont put them up as tips, but I discuss a race prior to the off and offer an opinion with reasoning to engage in a balanced discussion. If it helps anyone then great and if someone has a different opinion to me great also as it might shed a light on something in a different way to how I would look at it.
I dint know she wasn't going to perform to her best , it wouldn't have bothered me if she had done as I felt she was the inferior animal. Like yourself I wasn't privy to what the trainer had done with her since he had her. But as she hadn't run for 5 months I would not be wanting to take risk my money guessing whether she was straight ot not . And I never back a horse on its first run for a new trainer. I believe it stands up to scrutiny, a trainer who has been training and running a horse knows what it has taken to achieve it's previous results. A new trainer of a horse, won't know any if it has idiosyncrasies until they've run it, so you are taking a leap of faith by backing it. Sure there are the odd exceptions, such as when uknowhatimeanharry went to Harry frys from a 3rd div yard and he says he has found the key to it and it's a stone better than its shown, then I will back it, sure. I wouldn't expect Alistair Ralph to improve a horse out of H de-Brom, so would not back it first time out for him. Anyway, I'm off to bed , life's too short to argue. Makes it interesting to discuss different viewpoints and opinions, but not worth trading insults. |
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oneten
6 or 7 strides out from the last hurdle it jumps, you can see it hanging badly to the left and the jock is pulling with both his hands to the offside to try to correct it. i will reiterate..that comment is absolute nonsense.. he's strangling it with both hands in the centre...after jumping the hurdle he makes no attempt to steer it around the turn. Although he managed that feat perfectly well on the 1st circuit. it was very smelly imo. |
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ps,oneten..post last weeks p&l.
it quite simple..takes a few seconds and will re-establish your reputation. TIA. |
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Rico when a good rider is on a horse a lay person cannot see what they are doing to make it go correctly, such is the finesse with which they (hopefully) ride.
Everyone can see what an unskilled person is doing on a horse, as they lack that level of skill and finesse, so a casual observer can see them tugging on reins one way, booting it another way... I'm not getting into this as I don't want to come across as boastful but let's just agree I can ride to a very high standard. Ex Assistant trainer won a host of top races. Not prepared to disclose what and where on a public forum. I can see things when someone is riding a horse that the majority of other people cannot see, as the signals are too subtle. If the horse was being laid for lumps in the run then I suggest that there were probably people with a decent level of horse knowledge seeing the same as me and then acting on it. It wasn't me as I'm not an ir player nor do I lay very often. Please don't start with that p and l rubbish with me. I never talk money. Those that boast tend to be shallow and vulgar. Nothing wrong with my reputation, I'm friends with half the top 10 flat and nh trainers under the age of 55 as I've grown up with them all from pony club days and I intend to keep it that way. I don't know anyone who rides on this forum except for Acey. So I suggest ask him to watch the rerun or ask the ex jocks at atr - they would probably love to review something if you think it's smelly. I have no doubt they will see the same as me 100%. Anyway, as I said yesterday evening, life is too short to argue backwards and forwards on here and I don't have the time . The forum is a pleasant distraction at times but I will not be drawn into these silly squabbles I see going on ,on here. Sorry |
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Oneten, you emphasise 10/1 available but then say you never saw 10s, neither did I with any on oddschecker. You state you know what a horse is thinking, that would funny if it wasn't so sad, you also say she cocked her jaw but no mention of that by the jockey. Rico might not be a horseman but in this case his eyes were functioning perfectly.
Your 4" screen obviously did not give you a good view of the jockeys hands just before he steers her wide, backers have every right to ask questions in this case, the jockey said the mare hung left handed throughout but that is not what I saw and assume most others think the same. There is a big difference between riding a horse and reading a race, most punters have sufficient eyesight and no need to be able to ride a horse to see what is happening. By your own admission you were watching on a 4" screen so your view is not only inadequate to immediately come on here with your patronising nonsense but makes you look like the aftertimer of the year to date. I have probably been watching racing a lot longer than you, and I was riding from age 4, never had the ability to read a horse mind despite that. Seems you went from asking how to get your kids back on here to now the resident expert who can tell everyone else they are wrong from a 4" screen, genius barely covers your abilities. |
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(Ring price: 9/4 5/2 9/4 2/1 15/8 7/4 15/8 7/4 15/8 7/4 13/8 11/8) SP 11/8fav
(Ring price: 4/1 7/2 10/3 3/1 11/4 5/2 9/4) SP 9/4 only 2 with a conceivable chance if picture of you was getting pulled up, looks like someone fancied both of them. |
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CagliariG 24 Feb 25 12:01
I have probably been watching racing a lot longer than you, and I was riding from age 4 adopted by Jimmy Savile. |
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ps,oneten..post last weeks p&l.
it quite simple..takes a few seconds and will re-establish your reputation. TIA. |