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23 Feb 25 16:16
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worst you'll ever see.

1.73 out to whatever want.  Burke pulls it up halfway down the back straight. 

they knew !!!

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By:
swiftynifty
When: 23 Feb 25 16:17
pretty stinking.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 23 Feb 25 16:18
3.12

Rotten to the core.
By:
sadlers
When: 23 Feb 25 16:19
Incredible,kept opposing it while leading until pulled up .Nice to be on the inside.
By:
Mat22
When: 23 Feb 25 16:19
Very bad. So blatant. Horse was still pulling still had plenty left in the tank.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 16:21
pulled hard innit.
By:
madhatter
When: 23 Feb 25 16:21
and will any action be taken by the authorities...doubt they'll even bother to ask for an explanation!
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 23 Feb 25 16:27
The horse is total hound! De Bromhead couldn't get a win out of her and horse was beaten at odds on in her final start for him. So how do you think Ralph is going to do any better with her?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 16:35
just watched it..it was very free during the race but jockey was pulling it up as they approached the hurdle and then took it wide and pulled up..it hadnt been put under any pressure and was still disputing the lead..a drift is always suspicious and that run certainly was.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 23 Feb 25 16:45
When shea raced off a similar layoff

7th

Picture Of You
511-2
9/2
T: H De BromheadJ: Rachael Blackmore
Held up towards rear, took keen hold, not fluent 3rd, in rear halfway, pushed along in 7th approaching straight, ridden and no impression before 2 out, no extra op 5/1

So a hound and probably needed the race too....she might win a weak seller and I mean weak, but she wouldn't be carrying my money!
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 23 Feb 25 16:45
*she
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 16:54
susp imo.
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 17:24
I beg to disagree.
I backed the winner win and place as I didn't think much of picture of you s form and thought it over rated and by timeform comments.

Knowing how a lot of the the Irish horses often take time to acclimatise to English yards I thought it a false fav and was very pleased to see the massive move for crying lightening , who was good enough to run with credit in a listed bumper last time out.
So in my opinion only had to jump well enough first time over hurdles to win.
The fact there had been money backing it down from 10s this morning would surely lead one to believe it had schooled sufficiently well.

I only watched the race on my phone but picture if you looked like it was verging on the side of unsteerable and hence why he was taken to the outside and pulled up.

Happy to be disproved as always, but that was the way I saw it.
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By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 17:28
Apologies but ran out of space on my phone screen - combined with the fact it hadn't run for 5 months, was turned over at 1-3 last time out , wasn't a world beater and could Alistair Ralph improve a Henry de brom cast off ?   I seriously doubt it.
Mug money made it fav / stable whispers possibly , but the right horse won in my opinion.
By:
mitolo
When: 23 Feb 25 19:08
as 1 10 has started the after-timing

i laid it for a place, and again i/r when it veered off. on atr pics. droners must have been asleep. i also backed the 3rd for place at 10

fairly comprehensive after-timing there
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 20:14
Evening Mitolo,  no aftertiming going on  Happy.
Just explaining to those who are crying foul because of the drift that the horse should never have been an odds on shot and why the market was correct at the off.

If I wasn't a gentleman , a less polite way of putting it would have been to say those who studied the form properly came to the right conclusion - Crying Lightening was the superior horse with loads of potential and should be backed accordingly as the only other opposition to it was an exposed dog that de bromhead couldn't manage to get a win out of and a Hobbs point to pointer having its first run under rules and it's first try over 2miles.

The other runners were 50s and 300s...

Interestingly enough I have just looked at the results comments on the rp site and they are EXACTLY what I said above for how the horse looked in running.
If I could see it on a 4 inch mobile screen then I suggest they all could see it too, so they are just talking through their pockets, rather than questioning their selection process.
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By:
madhatter
When: 23 Feb 25 20:36
I suggest you have another look at the race mate...

Yes, the drifter pulled a bit but not unduly hard.
But it had jumped six hurdles straight and true and was still leading without ever being asked a question when inexcusably pulled wide and pulled up.

How is that 'riding to obtain the best possible placing'?

The person talking through their pocket is you because you happen to have found a winner and seem intent on telling everyone.
By:
hulk23
When: 23 Feb 25 20:37
depends who moved it 2.42 to 1.73

paudy, you out there son ?
By:
themightymac
When: 23 Feb 25 21:05
Racing has been crooked since the day they began racing horses.
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 21:25
Madhatter,
First point,  I'm not talking through my pocket. I did not come on here and start a topic about me winning . Others are crying foul play so i came on here to give a viewpoint of why it wasn't.

Main point, I followed your advice and have now re watched the race.
Please don't take offence, but it's not my job to teach you how to race read, but I obviously can see / understand more in 1 viewing on a mobile than you have done.

I don't have the time or the inclination to count each fence to take you through the race step by step, but the horse is lit up a d goes off in front. It's a short necked yoke with a high head carriage - my most hated type of horse to ride.
If you're not a horseman you'll have to take my word on this but something like the 2nd or 3rd hurdle the horse is thinking of running out, jj feels this and takes necessary action. She has the same idea coming into at least 2 other hurdles and jj gives her a slap as she is thinking of ducking left and right.
Then the hurdle before she pulls up if you see her waver on the approach and she is hanging like a gate so badly that he has both hands on the off rein trying to hold her straight , and then I think she rocks her jaw and she goes hard left so he eases off and pulls her up.

I'm not trying to cause an argument but if you don't believe me then re watch it and go to slow mo and blow up the picture onto the jocks hands coming into the last hurdle she jumps before pulling up. 

The only other person I know on the forum who rides horses is Acey , he might if you ask him, look at the race and tell you what he sees.
The reason I say this is everything I've told you that is happening is what I see as a horseman, someone who doesn't have a lot of experience won't be able to see what I'm telling you is happening.

I don't want to be mocked or ridiculed but I know what they are thinking when I'm riding them or watching them,  as I'm sure Acey does too. It's what comes with a lifetimes experience of riding them.
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By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 21:28
tolo pmsl..

you laid it for a plaice on atr when it veered off 20yds behind the drone and GPS..

i play ev race on the drone..as soon as the GPS detects deceleration every penny is instantly stripped from the market.
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 21:29
Apologies for phone autocorrecting - Not rocks - should read -  she locks her jaw and goes hard left.
By:
G Hall
When: 23 Feb 25 21:31
The money trail gives the explanation.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 21:34
approaching the last hurdle it jumped burke is absolutely strangling it for no reason imo..when it landed he never tried to steer it to the right..he almost let it run off the track...
the game is as bhent as a shepherds crook,so for that reason i trust fck all.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 23 Feb 25 21:36
Rico, to trot out an old cliche, have you ever sat on a horse??

well oneten and acey have, so ignore what you see, they know.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 21:38
clothes horse?
By:
Deptford
When: 23 Feb 25 21:38
Where can I watch replay? Sporting Life show a message say no compatible source was found for this media
By:
hulk23
When: 23 Feb 25 21:38
as soon as the GPS detects deceleration every penny is instantly stripped from the market.

you don't need to have ridden the winner of the oaks to know what's happening on here.
By:
hulk23
When: 23 Feb 25 21:40
it did pull hard, granted.  but sometimes they pull hard and win, so I'm told. 

that was getting laid as if it was never winning, hard puller or not. 

7.4 about a 2's on hard puller, that's ballsy.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 23 Feb 25 21:42
rico, that will do, your views are now back in the game.

oneten is currently preparing to unveil his 10-1 ticket on the winner, the horse he knew was far superior from its mid div listed bumper run, and his big lay of the useless morning favourite, sit tight.
By:
G Hall
When: 23 Feb 25 21:42
No price is too short when you know
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 21:43
Yes G Hall, but which money tail are you referring to ?  The biggest market mover of the day was Crying Lighting backed from 10s into 11/8.
By:
G Hall
When: 23 Feb 25 21:43
The future that is
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 21:45
Deptford replay on atthe races website. Just Google horse racing replays on then click on at the races and you're there.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 21:47
Then the hurdle before she pulls up if you see her waver on the approach and she is hanging like a gate so badly that he has both hands on the off rein trying to hold her straight , and then I think she rocks her jaw and she goes hard left so he eases off and pulls her up.

abso nonsense...approaching the hurdle he has both hands together above the horse back and is strangling it,when it hands he make no attempt to steer it to the right..quite happily lets it go straight ahead.
By:
Deptford
When: 23 Feb 25 21:47
one, yep just watch, have to agree with rico^
By:
G Hall
When: 23 Feb 25 21:49
The hobbs horse was also backed in the market.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 21:52
amazing how he managed to steer it round to the right on the 1st circuit ok.
By:
oneten
When: 23 Feb 25 22:06
Swifty why fabricate stuff about me that isn't true ?
I asked you about this previously when you had a pop at me sometime ago for no reason.

I never backed it at 10s, and I never claimed to either. I got 3.8 on here.
And I never laid the fav . Neither have I claimed to.

As to the mid div listed bumper run was in a good time for the day and if you do your homework properly you will see that it's listed bumper run placing was sandwiched between horses that had won their bumpers.

And I'm not going to give you anymore than that as the rest is my private workings and my edge.   Sorry .
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By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 23 Feb 25 22:13
oneten 23 Feb 25 17:24 
I beg to disagree.
I backed the winner win and place as I didn't think much of picture of you s form and thought it over rated and by timeform comments.

Knowing how a lot of the the Irish horses often take time to acclimatise to English yards I thought it a false fav and was very pleased to see the massive move for crying lightening , who was good enough to run with credit in a listed bumper last time out.
So in my opinion only had to jump well enough first time over hurdles to win.
The fact there had been money backing it down from 10s this morning would surely lead one to believe it had schooled sufficiently well.

yet ewe could have laid fav at 1.6 and bet winner at 10/1 you done neither?
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