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Lossiemouth V Constitution Hill Kempton....
Lossiemouth V Constitution Hill Kempton....
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If u owned him he wouldn't run then. Neither would I when he's the GOAT at the trip of champions.
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"Ignore these post-race comments from jockeys and trainers". They want retain financial value in their horses. The more people believe them the better as far as they are concerned.
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I was born in nunthorpe in BORO .very posh for the area but I don't tell people it was in a little council estate burried in the middle of all the posh houses
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Regarding Lossiemouth Mr Mullins stated: "Lossiemouth just got taken off her feet. She's not run over that trip at that pace since the Triumph Hurdle. It was a funeral pace in the Hatton's Grace". This is in contrast to "running a bit flat".
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So if WM had put all that effort in getting her to settle , why send her to a sharp track on quickish ground ?
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I wonder if there are financial incentives of winning the Mares Hurdle each year it looks like Elliot is sending his horse who beat the reigning Champion Hurdle champion State Man recently to the Mares. Mullins is very keen to win it and wonder if he would prefer Lossiemouth in that race as he already has State Man for the big one.
Lossiemouth may as well take on Constitution Hill as Hendo said he was hard on him the last 3 weeks and wants to see how he comes out of it before more plans. If he doesn’t come out of it well the race will be for the taking. Though he beat a sluggish looking Lossiemouth by two and a half lengths it is a much diminished distance than we are used to seeing him win by. Nico seemd really keen to big up improvement to come to scare Mullins off re-opposing imo. |
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What we have learned is how very secretive Hendo is as he admitted they were doing really early gallops with Sir Gino so nobody saw them. Bookies friend is Hendo he wouldn’t give punters free air.
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impossible123 28 Dec 24 17:08
Regarding Lossiemouth Mr Mullins stated: "Lossiemouth just got taken off her feet. 4L behind after the 1st..4L behind at halfway..meanwhile townend sitting still and never moved his hands. tell mr mullins rico sez ewe tarking absolute pony.  |
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I agree 'paulo47'. Maybe Mr Mullins was taken-in by Paddy Brennan and the bookie stooges that Constitution Hill would be easy picking. I think Mr Mullins screwed up not running her at Cheltenham last March when Constitution Hill was on the said line.
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Mullins said: "Lossiemouth just got taken off her feet. She hasn't run over that trip at that pace since the Triumph Hurdle and we've been trying to settle her since then, because she ran away with Paul [Townend] at the top of the Hill in the Triumph. She hasn't been going that pace over the first mile and a half and she will be sharper next time.
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Should we listen to Wille or Dangleflaps?
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GETTTT INNNN!!!
But will that next time be in the Champion Hurdle or the Mares? |
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She is patently better than she showed in the race and can easily make up the two and a half lengths imo. Just wondering what they were up to though. Do they want to go Mares and Richie the Champion?
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To my eyes, Lossiemouth was never comfortable at any stage.
I do not buy the argument that she could not cope with the pace set by Burdett Road either. As Lump Sum coped with it just fine, and I am confident she is a much faster horse than him. This was not her true running. |
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She jumped the first too big, Townend niggled her away from it, he was never happy on her, she wasn't clean at several hurdles and lost ground and had to be niggled away often, Townend closed mid race because the pace slackened, the proximity to the winner is a credit to her but it raises the question as to how much is CH inferior to what he used to be because he should have won further, I don't believe he had much left late on and in another 100 yards she would have been closer still.
Her jumping suffered going a stride quicker than she was used too but the proximity to him at the end raises questions about him, Henderson will be leaning heavily on the improvement to come factor, in the days and weeks to come when the race is analysed to death I think the nuts and bolts of his actual performance will be downgraded a bit. |
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Burdett road is the fly in the ointment. I’m on Cons Hill antepost and think I’ve enough in hand but is BR really 30lbs better than last year ? Common sense says Cons Hill was closer to 162 max vrs 175.
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Burdett Road is not a reliable yardstick. After looking very promising early doors he has disappointed. Lossiemouth should easily be able to go a pace he can. Wondering if the teaching Lossiemouth to settle over 2m could have been an important factor in the race.
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brandyontherocks 28 Dec 24 17:52
To my eyes, Lossiemouth was never comfortable at any stage. duffy 28 Dec 24 17:54 She jumped the first too big, Townend niggled her away from it, he was never happy on her townend was sat happily lobbing along in rear..his hands never moved from her back til 3 out..please watch it back and tell me at what time of the race he never looked happy? |
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Really interesting interview especially that they have planned for this for 2 years (inferring the Champion Hurdle?)
It looks like Constitution Hill will be taking the whole spotlight for the Champion in the run up whatever happens with Lossiemouth and wherever she ends up. https://www.racingtv.com/watch/on-demand/interviews/642250 |
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You would think State Man would return to the Irish Champion Hurdle and Lossiemouth go for the International at Cheltenham for course and distance experience we shall see.
Interesting point will be who Townend chooses after those two races if she does go Champion Hurdle. |
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Could it be mind games with Hendo for the Champion to help State Man and with Elliot for the Mares to keep him guessing on opposition as well.
The plan for 2 years suggests not. |
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cudnt ewe poast this all in one fred ydc?
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Why would Henderson be worried about mind games when he's got the best 2M Hurdler
seen for ages. |
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Lossiemouth is going to Champion not Mares. Ricci doesn’t care if she wins or loses just wants to give her a shot. Heard it directly from the horses mouth.
Things can change but don’t think Boxing Day will put him off. Think Cons Hill will have her measure though. |
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"Lossiemouth is going to Champion not Mares". Hope she does and as many good ones as possible. Waste of time though. But the reason I want them is CH rating. CH better than Night Nurse and I would like to see it in ratings.
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"She is patently better than she showed in the race and can easily make up the two and a half lengths imo". you have got to be fecking joking.
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Hibore… the market on here shows Lossiemouth is most likely for the Mares so far. The market talks where others don’t normally but it is to very small amounts so may not apply here. Either the trainer and jockey are being ignored re Lossiemouth’s run or they know more than we do.
I think she is the one to beat Constitution Hill who is obviously on the decline based on his last run. We will see a much improved State Man today since last time which will push Lossie back further in peoples minds for the Champion. Constitution Hill is way too short for the race at odds on. |
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"We'll stick to the plan for the moment. She'll run in the International at Cheltenham or in the Irish Champion Hurdle but we'll get another run into her before any decisions are made.
"I know she has enough speed and pace, she has the pedigree for it, but we've been settling her, and all of her runs have been around two-and-a-half miles, without the early pace. It was a funeral pace in the Hatton's Grace, so when a horse is used to that, she just got caught that way. She'll have learned a lot and we'll have her sharper again. "I loved the way she finished her race. A lot of people passed the comment that it was the first time Constitution Hill got four slaps of the persuader – he might never have had one before. I know she had the run beforehand and he hadn't but I'm not that disappointed. I took the fact she ran him the whole way to the line as not too bad, given she fell out the back of the television [early on]." |
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Can’t see CH rating reaching heights before setbacks tbh. Hopefully improve few pounds from Kempton but think 165’s is more than acceptable and enough to see off Lossiemouth and Stateman. Interesting one is if Brightdaysahead keeps improving ( I’m desperate for her to run in mares as antepost all at 10/1-33/1). But if she wins today which is not out of the realms of possibility will Gordon think it’s worth a shot ?
Just wish CH and Lossiemouth had beaten Burdett further as 8 lengths. Was 42lbs ahead before Greatwood now maybe 10-12lbs. |
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I think State Man will make a statement for the Champion today and your Mares bets will be fine.
The outcome of the CH race shows far more favour to Lossiemouth imo she can improve a ton on that. Can CH or is he declining now? |
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Anyone agree with pro gambler Alan Potts 4 C's ? Confidence Capital Calculation The 4th one " by far the most important " Cynicism.
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If Brighter did win it will make a Lossie Champion run more likely but expecting State Man to improve a lot on his last run.
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In fact for you a State Man win today would be best as it will encourage Lossie away from the Mares and Brighter towards it.
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Hold on i explained that wrong ha ha
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Eric, the markets on here are ignorant and formed on expectations rather than information. If Brighterdays win today by 6 lengths what happens to market then ? Do both Lossiemouth and Brighterdays both go Champion ? Mullins will run at least one in Champion. Lossiemouth would be No 1 again.
Just pointing out things move very quickly this time of year. |
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Agree. What Brighterdays to run really well but not too well
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In fact for you an impressive State Man win today would not be best as it will encourage Lossie towards the Mares however good in that it will encourage Brighter towards it also.
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For you it’s all about where Lossie goes.
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I’m pretty sure Ricci will stick to his word. She isn’t guaranteed to beat Brighterdays anyway and 2.5 miles looks her best trip after being beaten in last years mares novice and canter at Aintree over extra half mile.
Only 5lbs between them on official figs as well. No gimme. |
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A Brighter win would be best for Lossie fans re the Champion Hurdle and could be for you also as Elliot may decide it is too hot and still go to the Mares in top form.
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