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You really should not be betting on Horses if you think Sir Gino could trouble Lossiemouth.
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Thank you
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Nay bother.
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You really should not be betting on horses if u continuously type it's a mugs game
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It is a Mugs game but we still love it.
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Lossiemouth looked impressive however, I think 2m 4f is her distance; her 2m form is nothing special. She reminds me of Benie Des Dieux. But, if Constitution Hill is regressing (or absentee), similarly State Man; Sir Gino is not impressive winning the X'mas hurdle then I may have her over Sir Gino.
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Over 2 miles acey? Even with the mares allowance I would be happy to have an even money match bet with you if they meet in the Champion, tbf neither would trouble a 100% Constitution imo. On the mares allowance, time it was scrapped or drastically reduced in Grade 1 and Group 1 races!!
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Been saying for Years it should be scrapped Glen and i wont take your money buddy.
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Did you see Quixalls post about a Rico doppelganger? Looks like shafter had a meltdown on the thread but never denied the likeness, explains why the granny told him to Foxtrot Oscar when he asked if she wanted to spend the weekend on his boat!! lol
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I cannot see any good reason to scrap the mare's allowance - looks about fair and right to me.
Since Dawn Run we've had I think 3 mares winning the Champion Hurdle and no mare since has won the Gold Cup so why would they scrap it now? |
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The mares allowance is an overhang from the days mares didn’t really race or have a race schedule.
Now there’s a full mares program,this allowance isn’t needed to entice trainers,owners into keeping them in training. Either the mares good enough or it isn’t.its a bit of a cheat if they win a big race because of the allowance. If you think your mare is good enough you don’t need the allowance,if you don’t think it’s good enough,then run in mares races.but it’s unfair on the males who miss a chance to win a champion hurdle,gold cup. It’s basically saying,the USA women’s football team can enter the male World Cup,but they get 2 goals start in every game. It’s ironic,they’ve stopped the turners forcing the novices to pick,2m,3m. But the mares can pick and choose what to do. |
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It should be scrap. Horses are different to humans eg they'd run to the same potential as their male counterparts as an adult. No weight concession is necessary; concession is trainer/owner benefit - not horseracing.
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Totally agree comingupthehill.
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Would you seriously take evens US womens team with 2 goal start v any mens team?
Fillys on the flat have been competing against colts and geldings forever. getting an allowance. I cannot understand why it was only in the 1980s that it came in to jumps racing. |
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On the gold cup,keep the allowance.
Surely the object of the gold cup is to find the best staying chaser that year. Why not have a 2lb allowance for Lucinda Russell’s horses,because they ve travelled from Scotland,or 2lb extra allowance if trained by Willie Mullins,cos he’s too good at training. Why didn’t connygree,get an allowance for being a novice,like 3 yr olds do on the flat,against the older horses. Maybe no allowance in grade 1 s,but allowance in lesser grades, |
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The fillies allowance exsists to encourage people training them entering them..
That’s all changed now in the modern world,where males and females seen as equals. Seperate options for mares.so the inducement is not needed. It’s actually saying. Women are useless so we need to give them a help to be any good,(now all us blokes know this,but you just can’t say it these days).so the logical outcome is no allowance. Horse can lose a race cos of a 10th whip,but a mare can be gifted a gold cup for 7lb. |
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3 year olds are not fully mature so are given a weight for age allowance which has proven, over 2 centuries to be fair.
Since jumps mares allownce was introduced 40 odd years ago, the only 4 mares have managed to win a Champion Hurdle or Gold Cup..... Dawn Run, Annie Power, Epatante and Honeysuckle, and yet whenever a good mare comes along people start screaming about the unfairness of the mares allowance. |
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Novice chasers.
Surely they have a case for an allowance then based on your logic. It’s either the best horse or not,can’t shoe horn any excuse to get less weight to equal it up. |
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Claimers can’t claim allowance for riding,why not if mares can get an allowance.
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On the USA football ,give them a 7 goal start then.
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Willie will separate Lossiemouth and Stateman imo.
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Willie has just said they wont meet before Cheltenham.
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They wont meet at Cheltenham - if they both stay sound then same festival targets as last time. Guaranteed
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No way on Earth will Lossiemouth skip The Champion Hurdle.
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How can you make a comparison between a novice chaser and a 3 year old needing a weight allowance??
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Beat 3 milers over 2m4 in a race that was run @ a crawl. Learnt nothingmore about Lossiemouth than yer didnt already know before the race. Sir Gino impressed me just as much. Last Jan @ Cheltenham Gino was quicker overall over Cheltenham course & distance plus quicker up the hill than Lossie.
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To highlight just how slow this race was run at, the novices the day before went 55 yards further in a 25 second quicker time on ground described as the same.
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Lossiemouth ran a slow time, recorded a low speed figure and out sprinted a stayer who prefers soft ground.
The 152 rated Sir Gino beat the 143 rated runner up by 8L, with another 4L back to the 136 rated horse un 3rd. Both Lossiemouth and Sir Gino are open to improvement, but neither did anything on the weekend to warrant the reaction in the antepost market. |
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but neither did anything on the weekend to warrant the reaction in the antepost market.
Not in a Champion Hurdle with the type of horse that warrants a position in the race it doesn't, but with Constitution Hill on the missing list, the quality is thin to non existent so those type of performances carry more weight than they really should. |
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For crying out loud are you guys blind?.....Anybody that was not impressed by that ffs.
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I am talking about Lossiemouth.
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This is how i see it....No way will Constitution Hill ever come back to the Brilliant Horse that we have seen it just wont happen and that is a shame.For me Lossiemouth is good thing for the Champion Hurdle.
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And i will tell you another thing Townend will be jumping ship as quick as a flash if he has to choose between Stateman and Lossiemouth.
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She was impressive to the eye, but won a 2F sprint against stayers.
Everyone saw her win hard held so there is little point in jumping on the band wagon. As at the prices there is little upsides to having her onside at the moment. |
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Beating 3 milers in a 3 furlong sprint Acey. Impressive yep. But what did you expect ??? Her to struggle. She did what was expected of her. Clearly outspeeded 3 mile hurdlers in a 3 furlong dash. If wasnt aware of this before the event in the words of the O.P."You really should not be betting on Horses"
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Gino,arkle
Lossiemouth,mares Hill,champion |
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200/1 treble CUTH. 50/1 all 3 run in stated race.
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I will say this one more time only.....Hell will freeze over before Lossiemouth goes for The Mares Hurdle.
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The Trainer and Owner both say Champion Hurdle so please keep up guys.
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Hard to be impressed by the mare doing what was expected and less so when seeing the actual time of the "race". Sir Gino on the other hand could have easily put more distance back to his rivals and the time was fast which for a 4 year old entering his second season and against older opposition was visually and factually more solid imo for meeting in a 2 mile race?
Offer of even money match still stands in the CH acey, the alternative is loser shows their bare backside in Harrods window, no worries btw as anyone looking would think it was Shafter grinning at them!!! |