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Her 2m form is not Champion Hurdle material. Also, she was beaten when in traffic against 2milers. And, she only won The Triumph. All in all 2/1 is a crazy price. As such, she's not for me.
I'm waiting and hoping for an atonement from either Constitution Hill or State Man. The former has been backed today which is seldom a good sign for a bookie stable; I may even put Sir Gino before Lossiemouth. |
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I wouldnt pay any attention to Willy Mullins' statements in December regarding running plans for next March.
He is the ultimate creature of habit. Last year Lossiemouth ran in and won the Mares hurdle and State Man won the Champion so assuming they both stay injury-free until March then it would be completely out of character for Mullins to have them clash, leaving a Mares Hurdle behind for someone else to hoover up. Lossiemouth will only run in the Champ Hurdle if Stateman gets injured or he shows a dramatic loss of form. |
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Mullins every year says,win just happy to win any race at chelt.
Loads of his mares never ran in champion.annie only did cos of its fall.plus stateman aswell. Gino beat nowt,wasn’t a good a run as people think.plus if hill runs,why run it in champion. Was told 3 years ago by a mate who gets the best info from Mullins yard,that stateman was is best novice,then told 2 years ago Lossiemouth was is best,but defo going mares. |
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Comingupthebrae, you must have been deeper in than Ruby? If Sir Gino beat nothing in context what did the Mare achieve IYO. Sir Gino ran a fast time in relation to the track and against opposition that cab be measured, could have won quicker and further.
The mare won a farce of a race against virtual trees at the trip in a time that a 130 rated handicapper could have smashed with ease whether a 2 miler or 2 and 1/2, in other words she proved nothing compared with Sir Gino proving as a 4 year old that his talent is latent. Same offer to you, an even money match in the Champion Hurdle, you make the stake? It is a bet whether Constitution turns up or not as long as SG and the mare line up? |
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Gino beat a horse that won a hcp off 129 lto.
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The novice race before was quicker compared to standard than Gino.
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Lossie is running in Champion Hurdle with or without State man. Ricci told me in Jan after bought him a drink at Cheltenham hotel and then repeated at Sun Cheltenham 2024 preview with 400 people, Nick luck and Matt Chapman. Obviously can change his mind but Mullins has always said going Champion Hurdle this year as well. It’s only people on here who are trying to double guess the plans.
There is 11/2 on Mares available on here that’s not being taken. |
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have the even money match bet then comminginyourpants? A bet to nothing IYO, name the stake?
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It’s hard enough backing winners that run in races,without trying to back them in races they might not run in.so I ll duck the bet.
Trying to 2nd guess races Mullins runs his horses in,is hard.but he does seem to run his best mate in the mares race. Limini Benny Quevega Annie before fall To name a few. Whenever he’s been pushed on running a good mare in the champion,he’s said many times,we are happy to win any race at chelt,so we ll run them in a race they have the best chance of winning. Given it looks like they think stateman is better than Lossiemouth,would they take on hill if all seems well with him. |
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Nothing to duck, no bet if they both do not line up, giving you evens on a 7/4 against a 4/1 shot, no need either to win?
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If State Man is regressing and the only viable sub is Lossiemouth then I'd think most likely she'll be heading for the Champion Hurdle. The ownership plays a part too eg JP (sporting/has advisers) will want to go for the most prestigious race eg Fact To File/Spillane's Tower, etc, despite multi runners from the same trainer; Mr Ricci leaves it all to his trainer esp Mr Mullins; Mr Wylie was the same in the past.
Nevertheless, most of all I'd like to see Constitution Hill after winning his next race running against State Man, Sir Gion and Lossiemouth. |
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CUTH FYI Annie was supplemented into CH after Faugheen suffered a season ending injury HTH
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Not a day goes by when impossible 123 confirms himself as the village idiot of the forum.
Mr Ricci leaves it all to his trainer…….give me strength! |
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Fashioning an argument to enhance her position at the head of the CH market on what she did on Sunday is completely pointless, the crawliest of crawls over 20F against stayers, the novices went further and much quicker the day before and she received weight to boot.! and she STILL hasn't ever raced a proper 2 miler, she's visually very impressive and might be the real deal but she's never in all her races had to face anything resembling a champion hurdle horse but she's priced up as if she has, impressive yes, but so was Laurina.
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Some of your posts are unbelievable Duffy over the year's as if you know everything.
How can you relate laurina with Lossiemouth when laurina was basically kept in mares company b4 CH. Lossiemouth has won 6/9 outside mares company and is rated higher than laurina at this stage,overall she's 9/10 which should read 10/10. I wouldn't be laying her too quick. |
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Bentring, I don't mean them to sound that way, and if they do then that's all on me so apologies, just opinions and mostly wrong but opinions all the same, the point on Laurina is that she went into the CH with a lot of hype before she'd raced a proper 2 miler and I believed in her and had backed her and that might be why I've been trying to get Lossie beat.
Anyway I'm going to have to think about how I come across on here because it upsets me if I am coming across as a self appointed know all because I don't like that and you irish and sonko can't all be wrong  |
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'duffy', I'd not worry about it. Every opinion is welcome; nailing one's colour to the mast is worth 10x sitting on the fence. If backed with money, it's even more definitive and potent. Good luck!
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Duffy who's sonko?
Keep posting as you post a he'll of a lot more than I do. I've history with laurina £50 @ 20's a/p laid in running to win £280 profit. Just think Lossiemouth has more boot and haven't a bean on it (market/race too cloudy). My post was not a dig just wish you could see a probable winner( but what happened in past isn't guaranteed in future) as I think it may win. I tried posting the wingnut below your post was looking for an imaginary friend b4 I started writing a previous(long) post which I lost(dodgy tablet)and can't be bothered writing it all over again. Best wishes |
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Impossible read back post of 15:58 describes you perfectly and don't say you can't see this as you last post says it all
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Cheers Bentring
 and cheers imp |
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I can see Lossie as a potential winner 100%, if they both get there, as a SG fan I would be scared to death of her stalking in behind in case she can deliver that turn of foot at that level, what I was meaning before is that both those races at the weekend, although with two impressive winners, both races could be picked at and I've just felt that SG has received a lopsided amount of it compared to Lossie, as I've backed SG I'm probably being over protective
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Did anyone learn anything about Lossiemouth they didnt know before Sunday???
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I won't back anything until the day
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How good was Lossiemouth over 2m? What did she beat over 2m? Could she show the same acceleration against genuine Gp 1 protagonists over 2m eg Sir Gino, State Man (if atoning for recent disappointment) or Constitution Hill (if winning his next race)?
Lossiemouth was visually impressive last time however, her opponents were not Gp 1 two milers. |
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Though I agree with some people regarding her victory on the weekend did not tell us anything new about Lossiemouth.
I do not get your point regarding will she be good enough at 2 miles, when her attributes are a strong traveller and a sharp turn of foot. |
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Neither Lossiemouth nor Sir Gino did anything more than you would expect them to last weekend. With Mystical Power running no race at all the Fighting Fifth became a non event - the rest of the runners would be lapped in the Champion Hurdle if Constitution and State Man turn up. It they do turn up it will take a 170+ performance to win at Cheltenham and I can't see Lossiemouth (with the allowance) or Sir Gino as capable of doing that.
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Neither has Stateman. Perhaps early 160’s best ever run there. Constitution is the only one proven at the moment but both Lossie and Gino have the possibility.
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the donallys have another unbeaten could be anything who is entered in the champion hurdle 3 from 3 two in france and hacked up on debut for willie on sunday in the graded hurdle ,not a bet at the moment as there are lots of options but willie and paul townend were impressed by all accounts willie saying he is something special , one to keep an eye on imo the international on trials day could be the next target.......... anzadam looks a top notcher .
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won the grade 3 n grade 3 hurdle on saturday at fairyhouse.^^^
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Foyles Willie said he looks something special not he is. So is that a judgement on appearance??:
"He looks something special. I couldn't get him out last season, his form in France was good. I didn't know what was going to happen on Saturday to be honest, and was very pleasantly surprised with what he did. Later he stated very pleasantly surprised , which he wouldnt have been if he thought he was something special?? That said on strict interpretations beating Kala Conti 6 lengths comfortably ranks him higher than Sir Gino and triumph winner Majborough thro Kargese. Would Donelly run in the Champion?? |
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Would Donelly run 3 in the Champion??
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no he wont run 3 i wasnt saying this will run in or win the champion hurdle the water is too clouded for even thinking about an ante post bet atm just highlighting a possible dark horse .
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Well he is certainly that foyles. Be interesting next targets .Willie talking International (Bula) in Jan .So interesting where Sir GIno would go. No doubt Xmas hurdle if C.Hill doesnt show, but cant see Nicky running C.H v S.G until Champion.
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I am sure most of us would like to see a healthy and fit CH return with all his ability intact and if that was the case then all the debate between the mare and Sir Gino would probably be moot?
Failing that then all the debate is what makes the sport so compelling is it not? I am firmly onside with Sir G at this time despite the mares ability and allowance btw. |
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I think even if State Man is beaten again I do not think Hendo will run Constitution Hill against Sir Gino until March at Cheltenham. However,I think the Donnellys will run both Sir Gino and State Man against Lossiemouth if Constitution Hill is an absentee; Constitution Hill might have another gallop (home or away) with Sir Gino.
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Can somebody please have a word with the Donnelly's it would be good to know what they are thinkin....I thought Nick Luck would have been on the case by now.
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'acey', follow the money. State Man is 4/6 for the December Hurdle; Sir Gino will be kept in England; Sir Gino and Constitution Hill will not meet until Cheltenham if at all. I think the Irish contingent will stay in Ireland except Fact Or File (King George for prize money) perhaps, and English ones in England.
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You have to laugh at Duffy, total bolleaux merchant...this was him slagging Lossiemouth two years ago ...
duffy04 Dec 22 19:20Joined: 28 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 28,795 | Blogger: duffy's blog I'll be treating the Lossiemouth form as it stands with a deal of caution, they went very steady, miles behind the admittedly better grade 1 hurdlers and more experienced handicappers later in the card, the handicap was won in a similar time by a 123 horse carrying 10lbs more, what ever way you slice it its miles off the 150 he'd eventually have to get to to win a Triumph.. duffy Date Joined: 28 Mar 03 Add contact | Send message 31 Dec 22 20:39Joined: 28 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 28,795 | Blogger: duffy's blog Lossiemouths race was run very slowly once again, slower than Dark Raven's and quite a bit slower run than the novice handicappers later,but, once again she was the fastest horse,all things being equal though the Triumph will be a much stiffer test, she may well be up to it but she's getting hammered in the market without us having seen if she could cope with a stamina test on quick ground that the Triumph is likely to be. duffy • January 2, 2023 4:29 PM GMT "I've not conducted a highly scientific experiment but it's quite possible to run a couple races side by side pretty accurately in order to see how they compare and Lossiemouth's two wins have been run slower than other races on the same day. Yes she might have more up her sleeve and be laden with stamina but my point is that the market has reacted to her easy wins which she gained by injecting pace at the end of a couple of slow run races whereas the Triumph is likely to be a stamina test on quicker ground that will be something completely new....." Since then ..... 01Dec24 Fai 20f Yielding 4y+ H(120K)11-3[4/7Fav] 1st of 4, 3.75L to Teahupoo P Townend Rated 156 1/14/7Fav 04May24 Pun 21f Soft 4y+ H(125K)11-7[2/11Fav] 1st of 5, 7L to Gala Marceau P Townend Rated 155 2/11Fav 12Mar24 Che 20f Heavy 4y+ H(120K)11-5[8/13Fav]1st of 11, 3L to Telmesomethinggirl P TownendRated 155 8/13Fav 27Jan24 Che 17f Good to Soft 4y+ H(125K)11-0[4/7Fav]1st of 5, 9.5L to Love Envoi P TownendRated 147 4/7Fav 29Apr23 Pun 16f Good to Yielding 4y H(125K)10-7[1/2Fav]1st of 8, 1.5L to Zarak The Brave P TownendRated 141 1/2Fav 17Mar23 Che 17f Soft 4y H(139K)10-9[11/8Fav]sr1st of 15, 2.25L to Gala Marceau P Townend Rated 142 Thats not a rating of 156 is it ? |
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I still expect WPM to keep them apart but if I'm wrong I think Lossiemouth would beat Stateman in a duel right now as I think the defeat by Brighterdaysahead indicates a regression/stagnation for Stateman,the man with the biggest headache though in March will be PT on which one to get off.
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