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Not sure if one thing sparked my interest. The first race I have any recollection of was the 1972 Craven Stakes. I think catching the tail end of the Brigadier - remember getting quite upset when he lost - certainly helped. Probably from him I looked out for the Hern/Mercer runners in the papers. The 70's was a very good time to start.
As regards betting the big plus for horse racing over other sports is the opportunity to win a reasonable amount to a relatively small stake. With other sports you have to risk plenty to win plenty. As an example you only have to look at the short prices on offer for the Olympic athletics. It's similar for so many match bets. |
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i used to go on club trips from around boro where lots of lads had cut out the late doug mushcrop selections from previous nights evening gazzette, UNDERARM i think he was known as ,new the game and had a good local/north east following,was on local news reguarly as well,especially impressive GRAND NATIONAL tipping record
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Underhand I think 1TP.
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I have enjoyed the 3 episodes so far but there seems to be a huge emphasis by the producers to mention the race being shown is worth x thousands to the winner, over and over and over again.
It seemed overegged throughout which I suppose would be pertinent to the trainers championship (whether that should be based on prize money is an aside for another day). To a newcomer watching the programme it looks like we follow a thriving sport with brighter days ahead. I feel there will come a time when some harsh realities will require to be explained and exposed for the programme to be an accurate and fair assessment of the challenges to come. Otherwise it just tells a part of the true story and it becomes a nauseating and false portrayal of the sport we all love. |
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Differentdrum. you mentioning the Craven, i dont recall that race nor which was the 1st one i recall , but over the years the craven was one of my fav races,along with the nell gwyn, on the tuesday and thursady, and followed up on the friday with fred darling at newbury and the sat the greenham, these really were big races in the 80s 90s, with major bearing on the guinesses, from dancing brave, Doyoun shaadi, ,shaddedd,lear fan, oh so sharp,pebbles, fairy footsteps, salsabil,
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The first episode was the 3rd most-watched sports documentary on any channel this year, behind Andy Murray: Will To Win, Boris Becker: The Rise and Fall, but ahead of other sport documentaries Drive To Survive, Full Swing and Unchained.
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It was the Grand National that got me interested in racing. I liked the name of the horse Nicholas Silver and my father put a shilling on it for me.
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Considering this weeks events, a program attempting to promote a horse sport must now feel very awkward for ITV.
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duffy ... stupid dressage woman i get . but remember in racing , istabraq at 32 having had a great life . in these days of war and strife i'd rather be a racehorse than many alternatives !
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I know some said the series improved, but if you found the opener tedious then likely you would have found tonight's was twice as boring. The 'stars' are just too dull. It didn't help that in reality the jock's championship wasn't some edge of the seat battle. Most people didn't care. There was no depth to really finding out about either Cobden or Bowen. Given Cobden's liking for 'country pursuits' I suppose that might have been a good thing.
My suspicion is that by the end they will pretty much just be broadcasting to the already converted. |
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What's this programme all about? What's it trying to achieve? Is it to promote horseracing and/or allaying the fear of gambling, etc?
I'm a horseracing fan however, I've yet to watch. And, unlikely to do so if the sport is run by bookies; promoting big yards and high profile individuals of the sport; etc. |
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It is a documentary about jumps racing, made for people who probably won’t watch it.
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'BoosterRooster', cheers! I guess I'm one of those you mentioned. I like horseracing...betting only though - watching a documentary is another. My family liken horseracing to fools gambling. But, for me it's merely a hobby - a battle of knowledge and wit against bookies and wannabe bookies on The Exchange.
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impossible123 27 Jul 24 11:54
But, for me it's merely a hobby - a battle of knowledge and wit against bookies and wannabe bookies on The Exchange. As opposed to a wannabe punter? |
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I'd classify myself, and the majority of punters here as wannabes, the few exceptions being bookie participants who no doubt are using The Exchange to arbitrage. This group could majorly influence the fate of one's position on The Exchange as they'd have inside info on the well-being of possible runners esp on antepost.
But, even this hobby could be ending sooner than anticipated if bookies are reluctant to facilitate bets even further. However, alternatives aplenty. |
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I've given up on it. It's just endless repetition, endless repetition.
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no comments on last night's episode.
noticed a lot of commentary from Aly Vance, who just happens to be married to Seb Vance who works for the company that makes the series. ![]() |
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Only the above comment.
If the people who follow racing can't be bothered it doesn't augur well. The third one just highlighted that Nicholls has no class. Mind you that's society in general in these days. Given how regularly he felt the need to use an expletive he would probably feel quite at home on this forum. |
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One word....Bland.
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Wonder how many turned over to watch the Olympic Break Dancing Final.
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I binged watched the last 3 episodes yesterday. It repeats itself that much that I genuinely thought I had played the same episode again by mistake.
I think they had given up themselves by the final episode. Each episode is about 45 minutes long without the adverts, there are about 3 or 4 minutes of genuinely interesting, never seen before type footage within each episode. The rest is drivel and becomes a very difficult watch. It started badly, it got worse. |
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Managed to use the word ‘episode’ 5 times in that short review.
The repetitiveness is contagious! |
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Far too much of the ITV racing team rearing their ugly heads, very off putting. Aly Vance in last nights episode and not for the first time in the series appears to not know the difference between a fence and a hurdle, maybe excusable in a live broadcast but not in a recorded one.
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It's really disingenuous as most of it filmed after the fact, but presented as if commentary. They did the fly on the wall stuff and then retrospectively applied the narrative with all the repetitive vo type stuff to camera. Even then someone claimed that a trainer needs to have a great Chelt festival to win the championship. Nobody told pumpkin lol.
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Most bizarre thing was saying the toddler was born on Gold Cup day and that was that! No word on the mother or anything else! Not everyone reads the gossip columns about him.
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20/30 yrs ago I,d have probably watched every second maybe repeats as opposed to not watching a single second of this despite been in watching TV scrolling channels for something to watch
an hr of ITV crew without a bet/result involved is = to a prison sentence in imo,chamberlain could write the X factor back story,s and anything you hear about pumpkin,cobbden,Bowens,Nico we hear a 1000 times each and every season, even the ITV loons involved have stopped promoting a show their involved in, ITS DIED [ IF IT WAS EVER ALIVE ] THE WIILDLY PREDICTED DEATH,and shown during 2 Fri,s of live Olympic action on bbc1,probably just about sums up racing and the ITV goons who think they no /have the answers to racings problems |
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I think this has actually got worse each week. They have tried to create drama, but I find it hard to believe anyone is on the edge of their seat. It's really badly done with people playing to the cameras, and effectively just spouting one cliché after another.
Not surprised that after the first episode we haven't heard too much about viewing figures. I suspect an experiment that will not be repeated. |
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Although obviously untrue as he well knows, as does everyone else in racing, not sure non racing fans would have been impressed by Dan Skelton describing the Grand National as "phenomenally dangerous". They might think it's true.
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Nearly all of the sportspeople featured in the show were born into it. That’s not their fault of course, and it shouldn’t take anything away from their efforts and achievements. Though most people grow up with a bike in their shed, as opposed to a pony in their garden, so the sports side of things is always going to be a hard sell to the general public. I just don’t think they are that interested in something that has never been within their reach.
That’s where the betting comes into to bridge the gap. It’s the betting that gives the sport mass appeal, not the sport itself. In most cases, that comes after. They completely ignored the betting in this series, it got less mentions than Gordon Elliot. It was a very disappointing program, which I was looking forward to, given its hype and how they were selling it. I was expecting a fly on the wall behind the scenes type documentary, though all I got was Ed and Alice repeatedly telling me how brave, fearless, competitive and big a deal everybody is. WALOFS. |
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I never fancied watching it and by the sound of those that did I haven't missed much.
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Aly Vance has probably got more of the gig than Chamberlin and Plunkett, and she doesn't even broadcast the sport in this country, instead preferring/having to chase the Arab dollar.
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It's defiantly an inside job so don't expect any revelations, Though the insite into Andrew Balding was interesting after reding his dad memoir's, Andrew was hopeless at school and the way the yard got started was very interesting the American connection and the royal family connections very interesting. Worth a read. A lot of the modern day trainers inherited wealth or married well and had racing contact. Martin Pipe was a good read and Barney Curly was excellent. Some great rumours about Pipe it was said he had a no lose account with Ladbrokes He lumped on and told them if the horse would win or not. Getting paid to pull anti post horse he made more than the actual prize money. don't suppose any of it was true but makes a great story.
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I worked in an elevated trading position throughout the nineties George and sometimes you can hear something that's too good to be true but it actually is , the owners club in the eighties and nineties was something to behold and the goings on had to be seen to be believed at times.
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They might need a bit of a re-editing job doing for the Nico/ Hendo/ CH/ Jonbon story arc segment for season two
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