Economics

They probably know what they got....and probably won a pi55 poor dante

Maybe they do or maybe they don't.

Maureen impressed...

Haggas said he was special Yesterday on Nick Luck Podcast he also said Shaamit could barely walk the Day after he won The Derby so he didn't want to **** this Horse up.

He was quite pointed on that issue, said something like he almost cried!!

Aye he was greetin like a big Wuman.

Saw him in the flesh at Newbury
Still looks wip
Maybe the Irish derbi

visibly bleeding from both nostrils post race...stewards report states banged head in stalls

I just got back and checked the video chavman. He didn't look like he had a cut on his nose in the last furlong. In fact he even very kindly turns his head to the camera 1/2 furlong out to show you his nice clean white nose. I wouldn't want to bet him for the Derby even if he was in it.

I will definitely back him if he runs.

Am I being silly ? Why wouldnt he go for the SJP , decent gap/track etc if he is a big baby he can go 12f later .

Big baby or might not stay but the reality so far is of a horse who has improved with every race.

If he's going G1 next and avoiding Epsom, i'd rather go Eclipse than SJP, since Sandown's long straight would suit much better. as opposed to Ascot where short straight would mean needs time to get back upto speed, particularly over 1 mile. Also the additional 2 or 3 weeks may be preferential for his physique.

Obviously would mean taking on the older more experienced horses, but even if you go G1 against just 3 year olds, you're still very much right in at the deep end.

Sorry guys I was brain dead re my SJP distance apologies .

He’s a massive chunk of a horse and totally understand why Haggas removed him from the Derby.

The Eclipse, Juddmonte then Arc or Champion Stakes is the correct route for him imo.

whats the difference in distance between ascot and sandown straights ?
been punting 50 yrs and never thought of
SANDOWN AS BEEN  A PARTICULASR  LONG STRAIGHT
or
ASCOT AS A PARTICULAR  SHORT STRAIGHT

Courtesy of:  Racing Post

Ascot




Sandown

cheers so length of  sandown straight on a par with length of york home  straight,
i,d have never have flunked it,would have guessed 3 furlongs max at sandown

Betting bleeders for any G1 is pretty risky to say the least.

The bleeding I understood was caused by an injury in the stalls.


Following the race, the Veterinary Officer reported that the winner, ECONOMICS, had bled from the nose. The Stewards reviewed footage of the horse in the stalls with the representative of William Haggas, and noted that ECONOMICS’ head had made contact with the front of the starting stalls, when the colt lunged forward having briefly become upset after AL MUSMAK (IRE), was fractious in an adjoining stall during the loading process.

you can back him at around 8/1 on here, just been added to the exchange

Wouldn't be backing anything so far ahead.

Form about to be tested
Under siege
2nd to Economics lto
How far we he win?

Beaten 4 lengths
GROUND?

Well Sparrow he bled from the nose after the race and not during (at least from what I can see on the replay). I think anyone believing that  was from a bang in the stalls is taking a bit of a leap of faith.

body luanguage of interviews suggests there not going anywhere near epsom

I have no reason to disbelieve the stewards version, honcho.

Disney run.

It wasn't the stewards version sparrow. They said it bled from the nose. The explanation from the trainer and jockey was that it was a result of a bang in the stalls. How on earth could they say that after the race without an examination? Its laughable tbh.

I'm not a veterinary expert myself and was just posting what the veterinary officer reported. If people know of different evidence then lets see it.

No, the vet said it bled from the nose. The vet did not give an explanation why. The vet did not report any damage, bruising etc on the colts head. It was connections that said it was from a bang in the stalls. If you believe them that's fine but be clear the vet said it bled from the nose.

What do you mean mean no?

The report posted said "Following the race, the Veterinary Officer reported that the winner, ECONOMICS, had bled from the nose"  I merely posted the report and nothing else.

Sorry sparrow I though you were suggesting the vet said it was from a bang in the stalls. My apologies.

From around 7.10 in, here's the barstewards version of events, who I think were there, and according to Jonjo (respected poster on here back in the day), they needed half a roll of kleenex to stop the bleeding, and he was fairly sure there was no blood on Tom Marquand when he came back in, possibly suggesting that it hadn't happened during the race or else given the amount, some might have blown back. His opinion was that if the bleeding had occurred during the race, the horse would have choked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XR5smL5otA

Group 2
next race

He's sticking to 10f, and Gp 2. The trainer was not swayed. I think his judgement not to go to Epsom has been vindicated.

Nothing vindicated at all until his next run.

Gutted he didn't run. Would have got a better price on the winner

Well done

Where is he running next please ?

Also Imp, in what way has the decision not to run at epsom been vindicated?

I think City Of Troy would have won regardless given the manner he put away Ambiente Friendly who was travelling so easily 2f out; Mrs Haggas indicated he drifted left at the end in his races. As such, he's inexperienced and needed more time. She also indicated Economics would run over 10f in a Gp 2 next time.

truehoncho17 May 24 17:21
Well Sparrow he bled from the nose after the race and not during (at least from what I can see on the replay). I think anyone believing that was from a bang in the stalls is taking a bit of a leap of faith.


sparrow17 May 24 13:29
The bleeding I understood was caused by an injury in the stalls.

Following the race, the Veterinary Officer reported that the winner, ECONOMICS, had bled from the nose. The Stewards reviewed footage of the horse in the stalls with the representative of William Haggas, and noted that ECONOMICS’ head had made contact with the front of the starting stalls, when the colt lunged forward having briefly become upset after AL MUSMAK (IRE), was fractious in an adjoining stall during the loading process.

Bled again today guys, another stalls injury?

I layed him in Ireland as I thought he was a bleeder but not today.

yesterday

The irony is that he swerved the derby to look after him, and then went over to the lions den in Ireland and had a brutal race. Done amazing to win I felt, but could have gone either way after that, and looks like it's the wrong one.

i hope that winter the off will both strengthen him up and perhaps reduce the bleed risk. He has always looked unfurnished to me and I wonder if his raw ability meant that they over faced him this year. He could yet be the real deal but I doubt if he will ever beat Calandagan who was unlucky yesterday.

Calandagan who was unlucky yesterday.

how? winner would have won comfy with a clear run.

Yes the winner was ahead of Calandagan going well, got shoved to the back of the pack, behind Calandangan and passed him easily once in the clear.

Some people are arguing Clandangan would have gone out of reach if getting clear running all the way but I don't see it myself. The winner had gears left when pushed back, as he demonstrated.

All opinions. The winner had the best turn of foot but Calandagan had no daylight either and nor did Iresine. A very unsatisfactory race which told us very little about the relative merits of the field.

the only excuse for 2nd imo,is he used up to much petrol before the straight making up the ground he lost leaving the stalls,he didn't exactly cruise in to a winning position imo

unsatisfactory race yes, but again i say should never ever be run there take it back to newmarket

I`m glad the bleeding debate has resurfaced.Racing establishment taking us betters for mugs! the stallion value going forward has plummeted and he won`t be covering anything in Germany as they ban bleeders from covering duties. sums up the state of british racing trainers and journos reporting what they are told it was obvious to a blind man dancing on strictly the horse had bled in the race at York and not in the stalls. it was all about stallion value.And I maybe wrong but am sure that in France there are various herbal remedies that can be given to stop the bleeding.

Poor ride by Marquand bringing the horse wide into the straight,that is why Dettori was so good at Ascot knew u had to be inside your main opposition turning into the straight at course

run the race again..put dettori on..still wont win.

Economics never looked like winning at any point. I cannot agree it was the jockey's fault. There were too many contributory factors to his defeat.

Does a stallion which bled at races produce bleeders too?