No WP, you've missed the point.

That O'Brian looks a shifty eyed bugger.

If he walked in a room soaking wet and said it were raining I'd check before I'd believe anything he said.

But that goes for all of them.

Does anything work in Ireland?

even the barstewards podcast said well the gns is sorted no need to go through it city of troy wins

They've got Matt Chapman on this week's show

francessca was about the only one i heard who had the balls to say what she thought about the lack of size in his frame when  cot was cantering down to the start she would be a better judge than me sitting at home watching it on the box ,   the vibes coming from ballydoyle all winter were positive , they wont gun them at home but they should be able to get a handle of whats grown over the winter and what has not , will they say what they know i.e he has not grown as we woulda liked since the dewhurst .........no they carry on giving the stuff the media want to hear and what they badly  hope will happen i.e they still have superstar on thier hands ,fred and denise offering odds against tells us something , highly possible they knew things may not have been what the public were being fed . of course it could be another auguste rodin but it wouldnt carry my money after what i saw on saturday.
yes i did take the 11/10 denise was offering for £40 but as explained that was more to cover my arshe if he was indeed a superstar and no i didnt lay him on sat ,i am a greedy b,stard andvery seldom lay other than to put in a short priced keep lay on some of my selections .

who knows rico she can have  me down as  mug all she likes as long as her odds compilers keep putting up odds that i think are too big and i can get on at i am happy to be called a mug ....... you and the 6 people you know who could only get £10 on must be vastly superior in knowledge at  gambling  than me ..............may be i should change my name to foylesmug

ythe clue is in the betting ...that alone tells you it was expected to win ..........really ..i would say it was more down to the hype around the horse (plenty saying its short but a master training it ) the tabloids bigging it up as the 2nd coming and fellow mugs backing it on the strength of media hype ,podcasts saying the gns is best left alone its cut and dried etc , plenty of weekend punters  agreeing with  the hype it and punting it !

foyles ffs are you kidding me? they are one of the shrewdest operations in the world..if it wasnt expected to win it wouldn't have been strong in the betting all day.

Let's not forget all the reasons Bet366 offered evens in the first place.....

If you asked their trading guys would it win they'd have practically all said yes to a man , so why the even money..

-Potential new customers
-Encourage loyalty to their chosen customers , hence the £10 - £40 restriction range to allow what they see as allowing a genuine customer business spread whilst keeping the overall liability within the business model.
-Great marketing opportunity to show how generous they can be by utilizing a high profile horse race.

What are they actually giving away....

-Depending on the restriction anything from £3 to £12 approx which they're obviously comfortable with , before anyone says they're attracting turnover on one horse so they're giving away £10-£40 no they're not in their eyes as they're a bookmaker who's prepared to lay a very lop sided book anyway on a high profile race , full of triers , no handbrakes and extremely happy to let the unpredictability of sport take care of the percentages long term which is why they offer this perceived value and are not the only bookmaker to do so.
When these examples win the customer has winnings in the Bet366 a/c which is another upside when creating these concessions.

They're one of the biggest and most successful bookmakers on the planet guys and know exactly what their doing and it stretches way beyond the idea of giving £3 to £12 away on a high profile race like a classic.

The concession wasn't offered particularly due to the face they thought the horse would be beaten but because it was an opportunity to enhance their business in so many other ways than risking losing a few quid on probably the highest profile horse in training.


Good luck today all   

yes donegal but they ie connections wont tell you that , they wont  say he has not grown an inch over the winter,light framed etc  , but spill out everything has gone well ,we couldnt be happier with him etc !

did OUR KEVIN pick COT out in the paddock as been small or was it his paddock pick ?

Seabiscuit is showing on Freeview Ch 34. That is Frankel!

truehoncho 04 May 24 23:12
Tbf it's not AOB's fault. Anyone who ever thought that horse was going to be a superstar clearly don't have a clue about horses. He is quite simply a poor looking thoroughbred that was never going to train on into anything special. He is narrow, shallow girthed and small and always has been. Some were betting him at 3/1 last July for today's guineas. The media and other industry commentators are never ever going to say anything negative about a Coolmore horse as they are all on the gravy train. The winner looks very decent as do the 2nd and 3rd. On the whole I think it was an above average Guineas, we shall see.

Good post. I think the ground may be important to him. Don't think he will ever be at his best on top of the ground.

Derby next,S/Life.

Icy
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Breaking

wooden horse troy

'I probably treated him like too much of a god through the winter' - Aidan O'Brien reflects on City Of Troy Guineas blowout

Looked small to me when i saw it on tv.

Did it didn't look small when it won the Dewhurst?

'unruly in stalls'

fo aiden ydc..wat utter sh1te