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so as with most of these things they either need to fck up royally to expose themselves or someone needs to blow the whistle
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Voila La Void Bet?
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Why wont you watch the video that would have given you the answers to all the qs you have asked, Cag?
How important do you think you are to demand the details around this subject in writing? I don't like saying hello to more than one person in a morning let alone repeat stuff that has been said many times on here just because some bone idle poster cant click a play button You are a time waster. I've cut you some slack because I have felt sorry for your past incarnations on here but no more. It's like trying to educate pork, I'm afraid |
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well that highlighted to many that other things are going on, it had the stories of the seeding and bot stuff brought into the spotlight, as per sporting options and the seeding that was done using ringfenced funds, i've no idea iof the tote do stuff on those lines but if they do then if they have any sense it's inhouse and hidden so well no one on the outside will find it
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Thank you for your assistance JCM it is what a Forum is all about and maybe helped plenty who may now understand that facts are not important when abusing the likes of the OP and who may now understand that all the accusations are actually unfounded and have no basis in fact, YET.
Other than Clydebank none of you were able to answer a simple question which would perhaps help others to understand why the OP was being abused by posters who gave the appearance of being in possession of actual facts? The main maxim in English law is " He who alleges a fact must prove it, nothing shall be admitted in evidence that does not immediately tend to prove or disprove any fact or point in issue or question" i.e Get your facts correct before you make accusations, if you can't, don't!! HTH |
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As a copper did people make accusations and you investigate them?
Did you ever ask a q that the person declined to answer and went away thinking well I'm not suspicious, I'll proceed no further. I rather think you might in both instances. Useless |
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the op shouldn't be spamming the tote on here at all, that is most definitely in the t&cs for this place
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Hold on I've got a sworn affidavit rolled up in a pork pie hat, I'll take a photo of it using this potato and offer it as proof.
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Report this thread if you are not happy with the legality of what is being said, Cagliari.
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It should be completely obvious to anyone who is not completely thick, that last second seeding with access to actual dividends is open to abuse.
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dave, we have been on the opposite sides of a few discussions and violently agreed on some others - but I have always admired your ability (which I sometimes lack) to be succinct.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2024/04/29/tote-betting-singapore-deal-pool-betting/
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WAKEY WAKEY BETFAIR ... SPAMMERS ABOUT ...
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Nothing new about the Tote interfering with their own pools.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+GREAT+TOTE+SWINDLE%3B+We+reveal+how+the+Tote+shortchanged+winning...-a0145710577 IN THE summer of 1978, Tote Bookmakers were concerned about a successful punter who regularly placed multiple Tote forecast bets shortly before the relevant races started. In the days before computerisation, there was not enough time to include his bets in the racecourse pool, so the punter was paid out at Tote dividends unaffected by his own bets. A junior employee of Tote Bookmakers reached an agreement with Jeff Wells, the managing director of Tote Credit, that this punter's bets, and similar ones, would be transferred to Tote Credit for later transmission into the pool - after the race had started, and sometimes after it had finished. Two years later, the then Home Secretary, William Whitelaw, was informed: "Not all the bets were transmitted, but all bets which included winning money were transmitted. The effect of this was to reduce the dividends on each occasion." Whitelaw's informant was Francis Aglionby, a Crown Court judge appointed the previous year to investigate the Tote's procedures for including off-course bets in on-course pools. A summary of Aglionby's findings was published in 1980, but his full report remained confidential. Under the 30-year rule, it was not due to be released until 2010. The Racing Post has now seen the full report. Aglionby's inquiry originated in John McCririck's exposure of the manipulation of a Tote dual forecast dividend at Carlisle on July 4, 1979. McCririck was then an award-winning investigative journalist with The Sporting Life. When Shine On, at 11-1, beat Tina's Gold, at 20-1, in an 18-runner handicap, and the Tote dual forecast paid a derisory 45p for a 10p stake, McCririck refused to accept the Tote's assertion that it was "just one of those inexplicable turn-ups". An anonymous telephone caller told McCririck that the reason the dividend was so small was that a pounds 50 dual forecast on the winning combination had been sent by Tote Credit to Carlisle after the race. It was not the only occasion on which bets were transmitted after the result of the race was known. Bruce George, Labour MP for Walsall South, joined The Sporting Life in calling for the resignation of Woodrow Wyatt, the Tote's blustering chairman. When Sir Timothy Kitson and Bob Mellish, chairman and vice-chairman of the All-Party Racing and Bloodstock Committee, urged the Home Secretary to act, Wyatt withdrew his opposition to an inquiry, and Aglionby began his investigation. His report reveals that there had been complaints about the procedures for transmitting off-course bets into on-course pools since at least 1968 and that, as early as 1963, "transmission of bets to the course after the result of the race was known was approved". AGLIONBY concluded that the procedures in force between September 1, 1977, when Tote Credit Limited was established, and July 17, 1979, when the practice of transmitting bets after the result was known was prohibited, were unfair and open to abuse. "Unfortunately," he reported, "abuses and malpractices did occur, resulting in loss to the public, because on occasions punters did have their winnings improperly reduced." When dividends - calculated but yet to be declared - looked particularly high, "revisions occurred from time to time, always resulting in a substantial downward movement of the dividend". When other bookmakers wanted to place hedging bets into Tote pools, the bets were collated by the Tote but were not transmitted to the racecourse until after the result was known. Aglionby reported: "I found that, from time to time, not all these trade bets were transmitted. All the winning bets were transmitted but not all the losing ones." That was the case on April 7, 1979, when off-course trade bets totalling pounds 60 on Lake City, the winner of the 2,000 Guineas Trial at Salisbury, were transmitted and included in the win pool, but pounds 51 of losing bets were not. In the same race, revised 'reads' - informing the racecourse of off-course bets to be included in the pool - resulted in a reduction in the dual forecast dividend, from pounds 62.86 to pounds 5.77. In June 1979, a senior supervisor in the racing room at Tote House invented a fictitious name and, after the race results were known, transmitted hedging bets under the invented name. On one occasion the effect was to reduce a dual forecast dividend from pounds 5.68 to pounds 4.99. In the case of the Carlisle race, the intention had been to transmit pounds 5 on the winning combination, a decision that Aglionby described as "unjustified". In error, a pounds 50 winning bet was placed in the pool, as a result of which the dividend was reduced from pounds 13.41 to 45p. The malpractices were not systematic. According to Aglionby, "these various abuses and malpractices were not the consequence of any arrangement by employees of the Tote for their own financial advantage", but were motivated by "misplaced enthusiasm". Staff acted to help the Tote's finances, rather than their own. Aglionby found that neither Wyatt nor the Tote's senior management team were aware of the abuses. There was one exception. Aglionby firmly rejected Wells's claim that he was ignorant of the malpractices. The managing director of Tote Credit resigned. On Sunday: The tale of the Old Bailey jury that was nobbled CAPTION(S): Woodrow Wyatt: blustering chairman of the Tote with customary cigar' John McCririck: sparked the inquiry by refusing to accept the Tote's version of events surrounding a derisory Tote dual forecast dividend |
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Wyatt was not even sacked for that, friends in high places.
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