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Pythia also has access to non-public data
------------------------------------------ doesn't sound like that to me james... sounds to me like it's data the public don't get to see. |
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It's all data that the public doesn't get to see Hibs. The GPS data is commercial only, the algorithms will be private to Pythia, and the price feed will be between them and the bookmaker only. The only thing the public gets to see is the prices available in the bookmaker's c.150% market.
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non-public data doesn't sound good to me james...
i'm not saying you are wrong... but it certainly could do with clarification for someone not clued up about all that sort of stuff like me. |
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Just looked in on B365 in-play in that last Chelmsford race. They pulled all their prices exactly 1f out which doesn't say much for their trust in the accuracy of their GPS pricing feed.
Will be interesting to see if they disappear exactly 1f out again in the next. |
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Rico been saying this for years. He's been mopping up bot money for years. He had it great for years.
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Just needs a new cistern
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Many on ere have called what he's been doing for 20 years as theft.
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He just found an edge and took it.
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He's took some money off most of us. We all know the time difference.
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someone please explain to me how you bet IR with b356 1f out?
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someone please explain to me how you bet IR with b356 1f out?
---------------------------------------------------------------- with the RMG / Parthia / Coursetrack computer game stuff i'm guessing Mr.Hunt... and their non-public data. |
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What percentage book they run with in last few furlongs.
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Remember big mart cleaned out paddy poweron a daily basis inrunning
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it's just all a bit wink nudge nod for my liking all this stuff tbh...
a conspiracy theorist would have a field day with it tbh. |
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if Betfair still did the yearly Q+A they said they would do about 6 years ago we could ask them about the elephant in the room...
pity they stopped it after year 1. |
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one of the Q's was...
why don't you bin the 1 sec in running delay...? i remember jamesdean mentioned that when he was on here... he found it a bit strange that when everyone said 'scrap it'... they chose not to. |
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they said there'd be no layers and no liquidity, but they knew that already
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An exchange needs people to put up offers as well as just taking. I expect the 1 sec advantage of cancelling vs taking is there to encourages more people to put up offers.
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https://www.tpd.zone/faqs/ has a load of info -found it with a bit of googling. Very interesting especially how it interfaces with Gruss etc
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1 sec bet delay for the robot to analyse ev bet request in a millsec and decide if any of it would be suitable for them..a grate cistern and very transparent.
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If they are not active in their own markets and operating without a delay, they should run a trial for a few weeks without the bet delay and see what happens to liquidity and whether most customers would prefer no delay.
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when notfair started its, aside from laying, i/r was the greatest thing for punters and a million people immediately thought they now had a chance as everyone thinks they can read the race, but few reckoned with the picture problems, including bert black
if notfair had sewn up pics and retained analogue there would have been no track players or droners and who knows what could have happened. hd was a disaster if everyone is at the same level, i suspect many more would have kept at it, learning as they go if necessary (i had never looked at a pc pre-notfair and had to pay someone for 2 days tuition just on the basics) and we wouldnt be where we are now the figures at the outset were incredible but almost all did their money betting miles behind. but you cant knock those who took advantage. i wasnt one but know of a few who were, and they hoovered it |
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it's a very fair comment Jack...
will it ever happen ? of course it won't... still wondering why they announced an ANNUAL Q+A session... when did it last happen ? laughable...  |
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in fact the more i think about it it might have even been a 6 monthly Q+A session...
you can ask us anything you want... all our top lads are here waiting for your Q's... one session and it's binned.  |
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why would you announce such a thing then bin it almost immediately ?
some of the Q's that were asked were a bit on the tricky side perhaps ? or did they just forget about it and nobody thought to mention it ? |
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i found the last Q+A session...
appears it was 2021 (time must be dragging)... here are a few i thought were interesting... 1. Q: Does Betfair allow in-play seeding from affiliates with preferential trading advantages? Like no in-play bet placement delay? A: Thanks for the question. All customers on the Exchange bet with identical bet delays, matching queues and settlement rules. We promote a level playing field as the USP of our Exchange vs our competitors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 Q: Can we have these Q&As every 6-12 months as there are always suggestions and questions that we would like to ask? A: Absolutely, looking forward to restarting these and hearing from you all. If the demand is there we will run again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Q: Many thanks, it is good to see you doing this again, it has been a long time since the last one. A: No problem, we are trying hard to get more customer insight than ever before and this prompted the recommencing of these. We hope you enjoy this evening and if the demand exists we will run again soon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Q: When you asked about removing the 1 second bet delay on the forum a few years ago , 99% of people were in favour . yet you decided not to remove it as the market makers didn't want it. is there a compromise we could have like a 0.5 second delay or remove it altogether as a trial? A: Great suggestion. We are currently exploring some options to improve the bet placement and management experience, (including bet delays and cash out suspensions), we will add that into the considerations for potential improvements. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Q: Premium charge - why is no effort being made to reform or abolish this charge? It obviously makes vast amounts for the company but is detrimental to the liquidity of the exchange. It is due a revamp at least, and you all know it. An annual amount that is PC exempt?? A: Thanks for the question, Premium Charge is something we discuss a lot with customers. We posted a response earlier to something similar but happy to cover it again here this evening. We have performed three premium charge trials recently where we have changed the charging mechanisms to encourage liquidity. What we observed was no change in the customer behaviour or liquidity from those invited to the trial. We continue to evaluate and consider new trials and would welcome any ideas from customers that can benefit the Exchange and therefore our customers and Betfair together. We are very happy to collaborate on initiatives to genuinely improve the Exchange liquidity. One area we have more recently invested further in is our detection for PC evasion, I'm prompted to mention this to you from your comment on an annual PC allowance. This is something I will ask the team to consider now that we have better detection of account movements which would have historically made such an initiative too easy a method for PC evasion and thus creating an unfair exchange for our customers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you all for submitting your questions this evening. We have restarted these sessions to make sure we get your feedback to help inform what you, our customers, want us to focus on. We appreciate we don’t always get things right, but we are all committed to continuing to improve. We hope you found this useful, we certainly did. A fair range of topics covered and we plan to run these Forum Open Evenings more regularly. We were also just discussing as a team whether there would be interest in doing a similar session on Zoom in the future. As ever, thank you for your continued support of Betfair. |
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4. Q: When you asked about removing the 1 second bet delay on the forum a few years ago , 99% of people were in favour . yet you decided not to remove it as the market makers didn't want it. is there a compromise we could have like a 0.5 second delay or remove it altogether as a trial?
A: Great suggestion. We are currently exploring some options to improve the bet placement and management experience, (including bet delays and cash out suspensions), we will add that into the considerations for potential improvements. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 years later... any update yet ? |
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1. Q: Does Betfair allow in-play seeding from affiliates with preferential trading advantages? Like no in-play bet placement delay?
A: Thanks for the question. All customers on the Exchange bet with identical bet delays, matching queues and settlement rules. We promote a level playing field as the USP of our Exchange vs our competitors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- absolutely. |
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so i had a look at companies house for Coursetrack and i also looked at the RMG management team...
interesting that some names are on BOTH ? unless i am reading it incorrectly (which is a possibility)... not suggesting there is anything iffy about it but it is interesting all the same. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09926293/officers https://www.racecoursemediagroup.com/who-we-are/management/ |
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All customers on the Exchange bet with identical bet delays
-------------------------------------------------------------- all customers... next Q... is everyone using the exchange a customer ? |
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i can still recall back in 2005 when the satellite gadgy was putting my motorised dish up..then when he finally located 20w and the race appeared 3 secs ahead of what everybody else was using and i think i ejaculated...
happy daze those were. |
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Good, no more easy money for IR thieves. You gotta learn the game like the rest of us, or hang up the boots.
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rico boasting about 3 million with a 3 second advantage.
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size 14 gaze..too heavy for the hanger.
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that's like tennis courtsiders back in the day
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everybody needs an edge gaze...even a razor blade.
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Yeah, but an edge should be gained by skill, experience and knowledge of the game, not by a measurable unfair advantage.
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ewe nshud try and sharpen your skills.
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