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Former Chancellor criticises affordability checks
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ladycarla26 Feb 24 19:38Joined: 03 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 4,165 | Blogger: ladycarla's blog
All the minster changed was you don't have to give your postcode, Unless you are playing the Post Code lottery presumably  |
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In the world of oxymoron the idiot is king.
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Wouldn’t it be interesting to know how Einstein (TM) would tackle this in the big house on the Thames…..its easy as pie to sort the shambles….
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Depressing closing remarks.
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The argument is so fkn simple to correct as well…..ffs
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Jeez, sat through all of that. What a waste of time.
Funniest bit was when the minister asked Carolyn Harris whether that given the devious nature of addicts, and how they will often do anything in order to bet, why does she think that an affordability check, and being told they must now stop betting by the bookmaker will work. Her reply. “Just because we don’t have all the answers, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still take action”. Or something along those lines. Clueless, yet presents herself as some kind of expert. The Scottish bloke was embarrassing. Though for some reason, the minority in that debate, look set to get their way, and the pointless checks are going to continue. Nobody has even said what happens if you fail the check, or how you pass it, and what happens if you pass, then you go and lose a grand the next day too. So many caveats that make them totally unworkable and completely pointless. |
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It's too late. The horse had bolted around 3 years ago. Affordability is in the model now and the AI that big business use. It's too late.
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The best flat racing will move abroad and jump racing will be sacrificed to keep some basic flat racing afloat. Jump fans will have to make do with amateur point to points. Meanwhile so long as UK punters have something else to bet on the problem ones will not notice any change so the number of addicts will stay the same. What are the Hong Kong punters going to bet on without world pool on days when there is no racing in Hong Kong?
Racing has created the problem itself though. Football and Cricket are bet on every day but they don't get any levy from it. Racing has assumed that it can be subsidised by punters for ever but if it is to survive it has to be from TV rights, rich owners and attendance money. Where does Meydan get its money from? Racing's bureaucracy is very expensive and much of it is to provide integrity and protect punters. If it is no longer funded by punters, a lot of that cost can be removed. |
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Would anyone care to summarise what was said in the debate? For instance, will AC be targeting casino games solely or horseracing too?
Will any licensed fobt bookie be taking a stake in any illegal bookie? The illegal bookies could become legit one day when a new betting and gaming licence is introduced. |
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He told us it all goes ahead. The Commission can carry on with there nonsense.
I stated this from the very start of AC legislation being raised on here. Some people actually thought that what was going to be done could be influenced. These consultations and debates are simply theatre. The irony of some of them touching on the heritage of horse racing in the nation, part of our identity and importance to rural economies. wtf do people think it is being done. those are the very things that they are setting out to destroy! |
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I doubt they will be able to risk fkn around risking the likes of Ascot and other prestige meetings to please this mob….
Probably concentrate on the arcade material….. |
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I didn't hear the summing up but many of the speakers offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gaming. It does not sound as if the Minister is listening. The only hope now is that enough Tories will rebel and Labour will not support it. What a farce. If that fails then they will have to mobilise everyone in the Lords with an interest in racing to vote it down and hope that the MPs in favour are voted out in the election before it becomes law.
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Your right it's all theatre. It's just a game. Truth is nothing will change.
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Exactly Cider, there'll be no rural communities once the human-caused climate change 'wild fires' have forced everyone into 15 minute cities.
Meh, but it's all for our own good. |
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To summarise:
Most MPs were speaking on behalf of horse racing constituencies. All shared the concerns of the racing industry and its funding, whilst simultaneously expressing their desire to see problem gambling tackled. The point was raised many times about separating horses from casino, though minister at the end said it won’t happen because some addicts also bet on racing, and you can also lose a lot of money on racing. A couple from the anti gambling side came on and said how important the checks were, and how they would save lives. Most said that the checks need to be frictionless, which completely misses the point that most punters don’t want checks at all, or at least want the right to decide for themselves what their deposit limit should be. It went on for 3 hours, the same point being made over and over. Frictionless, need to combat problem gambling, don’t want to harm racing funding etc. Then after 3 hours, the current gambling minister Stuart Andrew came on and spoke, and basically said I hear all your concerns, but we are pressing ahead and doing it anyway. Completely pointless. Though I think it’s pretty much what everybody was expecting. |
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offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gaming
same way as buying paracetamol from Tesco is treated differently from buying crack cocaine ? |
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British flat racing is too prestigious to the multi millionaire world as well as the royal family to be put at risk from this mob….
They have to be careful the fodder don’t start walking…… |
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Trust me formofthepeace, enough do gooders in Parliament would close down Ascot tomorrow if they were given a vote on it. Elitist so nearly all of the Labour and Lib Dems would be against and it sounds like quite a few Tories would join them. And of course the SNP will vote against everything proposed by an English party of whatever colour.
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the boys in the city don't seem to be alarmed by the debate they probably of the view the checks will become law.
Today's flutters share price rose 0.15 whilst Entain PLC price dropped slightly by 0.66. think the traders in the city would have been watching the debate closely and if they thought there was any chance of the A. C being cancelled the share prices would have jumped up a lot. well we had the debate but I don't think nothing will change |
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And of course no Government can cave in to a 100,000 signature petition. That smacks of Democracy so we can't have that.
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Racing will always be funded by the very wealthy and rich. That will always be the case. And everyone in horse racing knows this. Some things in racing will change. I bet you in 20 years Ascot will still be flurushing, and 40 million pound horses sold
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If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers. Very easily done. But at the heart of it, it's not about problem gamblers at all.
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To be fair to the ministers that did turn out for racing, they did put their points across well, and try to stick up for the racing punter. Matt Hancock was pretty good I thought, and Philip Davies the original minister in charge of this made the case for punters too.
Though stuart Andrew basically confirmed at the end that it was all to no avail, as he announced that him and the gambling commission were going to press ahead with their flawed plans anyway. |
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What percentage of those large companies' profits come from racing? I am surprised that the shares have not fallen though as betting on Football and Casino games will fall as well and that will really dent their profits.
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Just ban the arcade material job done…..they survived without it they can survive again….
Starting with the high street…. |
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ident, how many of the rich and wealthy will want to fund GB racing when Labour put up taxes and remove tax exemption for non doms? They will easily move to France and Ireland as many already have.
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Won’t hurt casino that much I don’t think.
Vast majority of players play under £2 per spin anyway, £5 would be very much upper limits. And they are designed to bleed you dry slowly. Most slot addicts won’t even face checks. There is far less variance than horse racing. All the new slot measures will do is make people lose money slower at best. High staking addicts have numerous options just a click away with no regulations or safety measures and stake limits etc. |
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BR, I thought it was pretty weird how nobody raised other gambling options. Online bingo is massive and can be highly addictive for females I'm led to believe. The ads on the telly are obviously targeted at women. Along with football for the younger generation. And of course the omaze crap that I bang on about, but it irks me how misleading that form of gambling is.
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Online Lotto account has countless options to punt don’t forget….
Sat Wed Sat at £2 a time for the norm….the list is endless…. |
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Yeah I know, it’s crazy. Bingo gets free pass, yet online bingo is used to get women playing slots and slingo, both highly addictive. Even bingo halls, are now basically mini casinos/arcades full of FOBTs, and they open all day, every day.
Loose women is sponsored by a bingo site, and has bingo/casino adverts every break, then they wonder why so many women are now getting gambling addictions. |
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Flutter trading tonight at 16,695 and during this month the shares have traded at the highest level over the past year.
so clearly no sign of any panic in that boardroom they probably thought that the A.C. debate would just be that a debate but in the end the checks will become law and they seem to be taking enough action to avoid the heavy fines that others have incurred. |
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If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers.
if you're not losing you're not welcome. |
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Sageform: they will have to mobilise everyone in the Lords with an interest in racing to vote it down
There is no vote on this anywhere. Neither in the Commons nor in the Lords. It just goes straight through - the Gambling Commission makes the proposals, the Minister agrees, and that's it. The Gambling Commission enacts those proposals. Our rulers have long since realized the danger of allowing votes on anything. That's the whole point of things like the Gambling Commission: to bypass democracy. |
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If I am losing £1000+ in a day I will have to chase to avoid them asking me for bank statements ?
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Highly unlikely to be a bonanza for on course bookies. They will have to go cashless imo and then if hundreds/thousands is bet with your card the bank will close your account.
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Howard, These are exactly the nuanced points that relate to the actual mechanics of controlled betting that have never been made in this debate. We need a charismatic leader, an experienced punter, a betting champion, who can stand up and get this accross, to cut through the rhetoric. None of the RP crusaders seem to be either up to it, or even aware of the need to express it. And I mean someone who doesn't resort to the "well intentioned" platitude.
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Steerforth , Yeah it shows how few of the MP's understand the mathematics of betting. But as you say the RP guys surely have no excuse. Cider you said "But at the heart of it, it's not about problem gamblers at all".
"The irony of some of them touching on the heritage of horse racing in the nation, part of our identity and importance to rural economies. wtf do people think it is being done. those are the very things that they are setting out to destroy!" What's the real big picture ? Total control. Super rich and slaves ? Destroying the middle class particularly those areas like racing which doesn't have the "mix" of people they want racegoers and trainers ? |
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For those who may have missed the debate go youtube type in 'e-petition debate relating to financial risk checks for gambling'.
In today's press the excellent Greg Wood who attended the debate seemed to sum it all up correctly in his Guardian article whilst Lee Mottershead from the R.Post seemed to think along the lines of M.P. Carolyn Harris who said 'it is not too late to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat' . But as Screaming from beneaththewaves that has mentioned the checks will go ahead and will not be debated in Parliament. It's a bit like the plumber who' just left his wife saying 'Its all over Flo' |