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Report acey deucy • February 20, 2024 3:12 PM GMT
30 entries from Eliott 27 Mullins ffs.Laugh
Report acey deucy • February 20, 2024 3:15 PM GMT
Make the best of it the End Is Nigh.Sad
Report acey deucy • February 20, 2024 3:19 PM GMT
2024 Grand National weights
1 Hewick 11st 12lb 169
2 Conflated 11st 9lb 166
3 Noble **** 11st 8lb 165
4 Capodanno 11st 4lb 161
5 Coko Beach 11st 4lb 161
6 Nassalam 11st 4lb 161
7 Fakir D'Oudairies 11st 3lb 160
8 Ash Tree Meadow 11st 2lb 159
9 Corach Rambler 11st 2lb 159
10 I Am Maximus 11st 2lb 159

11 Janidil 11st 2lb 159
12 Minella Indo 11st 2lb 159
13 Asterion Forlonge 11st 1lb 158
14 Mahler Mission 11st 1lb 158
15 Stattler 11st 1lb 158
16 Classic Getaway 11st 157
17 Delta Work 11st 157
18 Foxy Jacks 11st 157
19 Threeunderthrufive 10st 13lb 156
20 Galvin 10st 12lb 155

21 Farouk D'Alene 10st 11lb 154
22 Salvador Ziggy 10st 11lb 154
23 Eldorado Allen 10st 10lb 153
24 Letsbeclearaboutit 10st 10lb 153
25 Ain't That A Shame 10st 9lb 152
26 Fury Road 10st 9lb 152
27 James Du Berlais 10st 9lb 152
28 Bronn 10st 8lb 151
29 Vanillier 10st 8lb 151
30 Dusart 10st 7lb 150

31 Le Milos 10st 7lb 150
32 Longhouse Poet 10st 7lb 150
33 Mr Incredible 10st 7lb 150
34 Latenightpass 10st 6lb 149
35 Minella Crooner 10st 6lb 149
36 Run Wild Fred 10st 6lb 149
37 Adamantly Chosen 10st 5lb 148
38 Chemical Energy 10st 5lb 148
39 Mac Tottie 10st 5lb 148
40 Favori De Champdou 10st 4lb 147

41 Limerick Lace 10st 4lb 147
42 Meetingofthewaters 10st 4lb 147
43 Monbeg Genius 10st 4lb 147
44 Roi Mage 10st 4lb 147
45 The Goffer 10st 4lb 147
46 Chambard 10st 3lb 146
47 Eklat De Rire 10st 3lb 146
48 Embittered 10st 3lb 146
49 Galia Des Liteaux 10st 3lb 146
50 Gevrey 10st 3lb 146

51 Glengouly 10st 3lb 146
52 Kitty's Light 10st 3lb 146
53 Panda Boy 10st 3lb 146
54 Busselton 10st 2lb 145
55 Empire Steel 10st 2lb 145
56 Fiddlerontheroof 10st 2lb 145
57 Malina Girl 10st 2lb 145
58 Desertmore House 10st 1lb 144
59 Fantastic Lady 10st 1lb 144
60 Highland Hunter 10st 1lb 144

61 Kinondu Kwetu 10st 1lb 144
62 Fakir D'Alene 10st 143
63 Ontheropes 10st 143
64 Shakem Up'Arry 10st 143
65 Amirite 9st 13lb 142
66 Angels Dawn 9st 13lb 142
67 Annual Invictus 9st 13lb 142
68 Diol Ker 9st 13lb 142
69 Rhiaan 9st 13lb 142
70 Sail Away 9st 13lb 142

71 Samcro 9st 13lb 142
72 Macs Charm 9st 12lb 141
73 Cepage 9st 11lb 140
74 Dunboyne 9st 11lb 140
75 Iron Bridge 9st 11lb 140
76 Tullybeg 9st 11lb 140
77 Famous Bridge 9st 10lb 139
78 Ashtown Lad 9st 9lb 138
79 Frontal Assault 9st 9lb 138
80 Mister Coffey 9st 9lb 138

81 Good Boy Bobby 9st 8lb 137
82 Tommie Beau 9st 7lb 136
83 Revels Hill 9st 6lb 135
84 Where It All Began 9st 6lb 135
85 Moroder 9st 2lb 131
86 Full Back 9st 1lb 130
87 Minella Trump 9st 1lb 130

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Battleoverdoyen, Fakiera, Its On The Line, Placenet, Royal Thief, So Des Flos

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Celebre D'Allen

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Report The Dragon • February 20, 2024 3:40 PM GMT
vanillier is now the new fav
Report Hayden • February 20, 2024 3:45 PM GMT
Last info i had that prompted an ante-post National bet around 6 weeks before the race bet came personally from ex-jockey **** ***** for Numbersixvalverde over 15yrs ago , happy days    Happy
Report workrider • February 20, 2024 3:47 PM GMT
I think those weights tell the story of why Irish horses win most races  in Britain that are open to good horses, we simply have the best horses even your handicapper agrees....
Report penzance • February 20, 2024 4:41 PM GMT
If No's 1-40 all run, 34 would be from Ireland.
Report acey deucy • February 20, 2024 4:48 PM GMT
Never thought i wid see the Day.Plain
Report Cider • February 20, 2024 4:58 PM GMT
Only 34 runners max, innit
Report EricShunn • February 20, 2024 5:00 PM GMT
Max field of 34. Standing start. At least the 4pm start is a good thing.
Report penzance • February 20, 2024 5:05 PM GMT
34 max,yeh it is.Totally forgot that.
Report acey deucy • February 20, 2024 5:07 PM GMT
34 more than enough.
Report Cider • February 20, 2024 5:09 PM GMT
Managed decline I think they call it. tptb are creating the decline! not far off just being another valuable handicap like the Irish version, will be soon enough.
Report tantpis • February 21, 2024 12:20 AM GMT
Moaning about field sizes when there is too much racing,most of the time running for pathetic prize money.Now the Grand National is just a farce of the race it used to be,and the BHB do not know why NH racing here is in decline.Attendances are not down due to field sizes its the cost of going to the races and paying over the odds prices for drinks and food,also having to pay for a programme which should be included in the entrance fee.
Report in hell • February 21, 2024 12:00 PM GMT
Some horses shouldn't be allowed in, 13 and 27 wouldn't stay in a horse box.

The race is basically finished.

Is the handicapper to blame for keeping some of these older horses high in the weights, when was the last time Dusart picked his feet up
Report longbridge • February 21, 2024 3:46 PM GMT
Attendances are down because the last horserace betting generations are dying off, imo.
Report The Sawyer • February 21, 2024 3:59 PM GMT
Yes definitely the case Longbridge. The older brigade are not being replaced by new blood - well certainly not during the week
Report Cider • February 21, 2024 4:20 PM GMT
The usp of the GN was that is was so different to anything else. You didn't need to understand horse racing to enjoy it, and it was a family event. Most of us would have grown up having a bet on it. They can't do anything about the general societal trends and atomising of people. But they have also hollowed out the race as was, and the jeopardy has been removed. The carnage was the appeal, like it or not. It's symptomatic of trying to attract/appease an audience that isn't interested anyway, whilst alienating the audience that is interested. See the BBC.
Report acey deucy • February 21, 2024 4:47 PM GMT
List of equine fatalities in the Grand National

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Becher's Brook, historically the most dangerous fence. By William Barnes Wollen, 1890.
This is a list of equine fatalities in the Grand National, an annual steeplechase horse racing event held at Aintree Racecourse near Liverpool. The Grand National is a National Hunt handicap race that is held over a distance of 4 miles and 3½ furlongs, with a field of 34 horses jumping 30 fences.

According to the British Horseracing Authority, modern steeplechase races have an average of just over 4 equine fatalities for every 1,000 horses taking part in a race.[1] The Aintree Grand National yielded 7 equine fatalities out of 439 horses taking part between 2000 and 2010, a rate of almost 16 equine fatalities per 1,000 horses taking part (or 0.64 fatalities per race of 40 horses). In the five years to 2023, the fatality rate has risen, averaging 25 equine fatalities per 1,000 horses taking part (or one fatality per race of 40 horses).[2][3]

Background
The high number of equine deaths in the Aintree Grand National race has made it a focus for animal rights activists. While course officials have taken safety measures over the years, such as improving veterinary facilities and reducing the severity of fences,[4] some campaign for further modifications and even the abolition of the event that was inaugurated in 1839.[5]

After the 1989 Grand National, in which two horses died in incidents at Becher's Brook (the sixth and 22nd fence on the course), Aintree began making significant changes to the fences that are jumped during the National. The brook on the landing-side of Becher's was filled in to prevent horses rolling back into it, and the incline on the landing-side has been mostly levelled out, whilst retaining a drop to slow the runners. Other fences have been reduced in height, toe-boards have been made taller, and the entry requirements for participating horses have been made stricter, such as the requirement for runners to have been placed fourth or better in a previously recognised steeplechase over a distance of at least three miles.

Some within the horseracing community, including some with notable achievements in the Grand National, such as Ginger McCain and Bob Champion,[6][7][8] have argued that the lowering of fences and the narrowing of ditches, primarily designed to increase horse safety, has had the adverse effect by encouraging the runners to race faster. During the 1970s and 1980s, the Grand National saw a total of 12 horses die (half of which were at Becher's Brook); in the next 20-year period from 1990 to 2010, when modifications to the course were most significant, there were 17 equine fatalities.

List of fatalities
The animal welfare charity League Against Cruel Sports counts the number of horse deaths at 40 over the three-day meet from the year 2000 to 2013.[9] The following list details the equine fatalities during, or as a direct result of participating in, the Grand National, that is, the showpiece steeplechase itself rather than all the various races held over the entire three-day "Grand National meeting" (which includes two other races over one circuit of the National course: the Fox Hunters for amateur jockeys and the Topham for professional jockeys).

The list includes, where applicable and where known, the fence at which the fatality occurred.[10]

Year    Horse    Fence No.    Fate    Going    Ran    Details    Source
2023    Hill Sixteen    1 (& 17)    Fell    Good    39    Fell at first and sustained "unrecoverable injury"    [11]
2022    Eclair Surf    3 (& 19)    Fell    Good-soft    40    Fell at 3rd fence, was stabilised and taken back to the stables, only to be euthanised the day after due to head trauma.    [12]
2022    Discorama    While running    Pulled up    Good-soft    40    Pulled up before the 13th fence, was found to have incurred a pelvic injury and was euthanised.    [13]
2021    The Long Mile    While running    Pulled up    Good-soft    40    Was euthanised after the race.    [14]
2019    Up For Review    1 (& 17)    Brought down    Good-soft    40    Jumped successfully but was brought down by another fallen horse    [15]
2012    Synchronised    While running riderless    Fell    Good    40    Fell at Becher's Brook but continued running riderless until the 11th fence where he fractured his right-hind tibia and fibula and was euthanised.    [16]
2012    According to Pete    (6 &) 22    Brought down    Good    40    Fractured his left-fore humerus and was euthanised.    [16]
2011    Ornais    4 (& 20)    Fell    Good    40    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [17]
2011    Dooneys Gate    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    40    Fractured his thoracolumbar upon falling and was euthanised.    [17]
2009    Hear The Echo    While running    Collapsed    Good-soft    40    Collapsed on the run-in and died.    [18]
2008    McKelvey    While running riderless    Collided with barrier    Good    40    Unseated rider at 20th fence and continued running riderless until he collided with railings, was unable to regain his feet due to injuries, and was euthanised.    [19]
2007    Graphic Approach    While running riderless    Collapsed    Good    40    Fell at Becher's Brook but continued running riderless before collapsing with concussion; he was euthanised several days later.    [20]
2006    Tyneandthyneagain    1 (& 17)    Fell    Good-soft    40    Continued running riderless until falling later, was diagnosed with a spinal injury and was euthanised.    [21]
2003    Goguenard    (3 &) 19    Brought down    Good    40    Injured in a mêlée by another falling horse and was euthanised.    [22]
2002    The Last Fling    (8 &) 24    Fell    Good    40    Broke his back upon falling and died.    [23]
2002    Manx Magic    (4 &) 20    Fell    Good    40    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [23]
1999    Eudipe    (6 &) 22    Fell    Good    32    Broke his back upon falling and was euthanised.    [24]
1998    Pashto    1 (& 17)    Fell    Heavy    37    Collapsed after falling and was euthanised.    [25]
1998    Do Rightly    4 (& 20)    Fell    Heavy    37    Suffered a heart attack whilst jumping the fence.    [25]
1998    Griffins Bar    While running    Fell    Heavy    37    Incurred a shoulder fracture after jumping the fifth fence and fell; later was euthanised.    [25]
1997    Straight Talk    14 (& 30)    Fell    Good    36    Incurred a leg fracture upon falling and was euthanised.    [26]
1997    Smith's Band    (4 &) 20    Fell    Good    36    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [26]
1996    Rust Never Sleeps    While running    Pulled up    Good    27    Pulled up lame before the 13th fence, diagnosed with a broken shoulder and euthanised.    [27]
1991    Ballyhane    After finishing    Collapsed    Good-soft    40    Suffered a haemorrhage after completing the race and died.    [28]
1990    Roll-A-Joint    8 (& 24)    Fell    Firm    38    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [29]
1990    Hungary Hur    While running    Pulled up    Firm    38    Incurred a leg fracture while running towards the 19th fence, pulled up and euthanised.    [29]
1989    Brown Trix    6 (& 22)    Fell    Heavy    40    Incurred a shoulder fracture upon falling.    [30]
1989    Seeandem    6 (& 22)    Fell    Heavy    40    Broke his back upon falling and died.    [30]
1987    Dark Ivy    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    40    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [31]
1984    Earthstopper    After finishing    Collapsed    Good    40    Collapsed and died after finishing the race.    [32]
1983    Duncreggan    8 (& 24)    Fell    Soft    41    Injured in fall and later euthanised.    [33]
1982    Again The Same    8 (& 24)    Pulled up        39    Upon his return home the horse was found to have broken a bone in his knee and was euthanised.    [34]
1979    Kintai    15    Brought down    Good    34    Injured in fall and later euthanised.    [35]
1979    Alverton    (6 &) 22    Fell    Good    34    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [36]
1978    Rag Trade    While running    Pulled up    Firm    37    Pulled up lame before the 21st fence and later euthanised.    [37]
1977    Winter Rain    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    42    Injured in fall and later euthanised.    [38][39]
1977    Zeta's Son    (9 &) 25    Fell    Good    42    Injured in fall and later euthanised.    [38][39]
1975    Land Lark    15    Fell    Good    31    Suffered a heart attack while jumping the fence.    [40]
1975    Beau Bob    (6 &) 22    Fell    Good    31    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [40]
1973    Grey Sombrero    15    Fell    Firm    38    Incurred a shoulder fracture upon falling and was euthanised.    [41]
1970    Racoon    3 (& 19)    Fell    Good    28    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and was euthanised.    [42]
1967    Vulcano    3 (& 19)    Fell    Good    44    Injured in fall and euthanised.    [43]
1960    Belsize II    (4 &) 20    Fell    Good    26    Injured in fall and euthanised with a suspected cervical fracture.    [44]
1959    Slippery Serpent    13 (& 29)    Fell    Good    34    Broke a leg bone, which was initially treated, however was euthanised three days later.    [45]
1959    Henry Purcell    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    34    Broke his back upon falling and was euthanised.    [46]
1954    Dominick's Bar    2 (& 18)    Fell    Soft    29    Suffered a heart attack while jumping the fence.    [47][48]
1954    Paris New York    4 (& 20)    Fell    Soft    29    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [47][48]
1954    Legal Joy    13 (& 29)    Fell    Soft    29    Broke a leg in a fall and was euthanised.    [47][48]
1954    Coneyburrow    (12 &) 28    Fell    Soft    29    Injured in a fall and later euthanised.    [47][48]
1953    Cardinal Error    4 (& 20)    Fell    Good    31    Injured or possibly killed in a fall.    [49]
1953    Parasol II    8 (& 24)    Fell    Good    31    Injured in a fall and later euthanised.    [49]
1952    Skouras    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good-firm    47    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and was euthanised.    [50]
1950    Limestone Cottage    8 (& 24)    Fell    Good    49    Injured in fall.    [51]
1946    Symbole    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    34    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [52]
1940    Second Act    16    Injured on landing    Good    32        [citation needed]
1938    Cabin Fire    8 (& 24)    Fell    Good    36        [citation needed]
1938    Rock Lad    16    Injured on landing    Good    36        [citation needed]
1936    Avenger    (1 &) 17    Fell    Good    36    Incurred a cervical fracture and was euthanised.    [53]
1931    Swift Roland    6 (& 22)    Fell    "Perfect"    43    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died..    [54]
1931    Drin    8 (& 24)    Fell    "Perfect"    43    Incurred a leg fracture and was euthanised.    [54]
1930    Derby Day    4 (and 20)    Fell    "Perfect"    41    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [55]
1929    Stort    11 (and 27)    Fell    "Average"    66    fell at the 11th running loose, incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.    [55]
1926    Lone Hand        Fell    Good    30        [55]
1922    The Inca    6 (& 22)    Fell    Good    32    Incurred a leg fracture and was euthanised.    [56]
1922    Awbeg    8 (& 24)    Fell    Good    32    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died..    [56]
1907    Kilts    1 (& 17)    Fell    Good    23        [57]
1901    True Blue        Fell    Snow    24        [57]
1891    The Emperor    While running    Fell    Good    21    Having been pulled up, fell and broke his back while running back to the stables.    [57]
1882    Wild Monarch        Fell    Heavy    12        [57]
1872    Primrose    (2 &) 18    Fell    Hard    25    Injured in fall and was euthanised.    [57]
1871    Lord Raglan    15    Fell    "Perfect"    25    Broke a leg and was euthanised.    [57][58]
1869    Huntsman's Daughter            "Average"    22    Reports state only that the horse was euthanised after the race.    [59]
1868    Chimney Sweep    While running at 1    Collided with barrier    Heavy    21    Injured when collided with barrier on the Melling Road and was euthanised.    [57]
1863    Telegraph    5 & 21    Fell    Good    16    Injured in fall and was euthanised.    [57]
1861    The Conductor        Refused    "Average"    24    Injured in mêlée and was euthanised.    [57]
1857    Garry Owen        Pulled up    Heavy    28    Ruptured his loins.    [60]
1857    Albatross        Collapsed    Heavy    28    Fell dead while running towards the fence.    [60]
1856    Banstead    2 & 18    Fell    "Average"    21    Injured in fall and was euthanised.    [57]
1855    Miss Mowbray    (6 &) 22    Fell    Heavy    20    Incurred a cervical fracture upon falling and died.
1854    Bedford    9 & 25    Fell    Good    20    Injured in fall and was euthanised.    [57]
1849    The Curate    2 (& 18)    Fell    Heavy    24    Injured in fall and was euthanised.    [61]
1849    Equinox    (3 &) 19    Fell    Heavy    24    Injured in fall and was euthanised.   
1849    Kilfane    (4 &) 20    Fell    Heavy    24    Injured in fall and was euthanised.   
1848    Counsellor        Fell    Heavy    29       
1848    The Sailor        Fell    Heavy    29        [62]
1848    Blue Pill        Fell    Heavy    29       
1845    Clansman    15    Fell    Heavy    16    Fatally injured in fall.   
1839    Dictator    (9 &) 25    Fell    Heavy    17    Burst blood
Report Cider • February 21, 2024 5:14 PM GMT
Horse racing is attritional, especially jumps. Either you think it's justifiable, follow it/bet on it. Or you don't have anything to do with it.

Personally I think it is quite difficult to justify. But I can't have it both ways, so take the rough with the the smooth as the positives outweigh the negatives. I have no problem with people who think it should end, as that side of the argument is valid. However this half way house, hollowing it out but still getting fatalities pleases nobody.
Report CROPSICK • February 21, 2024 5:24 PM GMT
The G/N is great for the animal rights groups as it highlights  their argument for banning racing wether there is fatalities or not.Its a gift to them that keeps giving every April.
Report duffy • February 21, 2024 5:26 PM GMT
Agree entirely, I always find myself cringing when I try to defend it to my friends by saying, "They are treated like kings and they love doing it" luckily, as yet, no-one has come back to me and said, "If you were able to explain the risks involved to the horses, how many would then say, right, thanks for that,  think I'll give it a miss then"!
Report Smoky Hill • February 21, 2024 5:52 PM GMT
For me, this race has long since had its day.  I started watching in 1960 and saw every National until about 5 years ago. I couldn't tell you a single winner since then, or any that ran in the race.

It's a pity that racing can't find some other way to finance itself rather than depend on races like this for its moneyspinners, however it's not for me to spoil others enjoyment.

Looking at those entered, I couldn't even tell you who trains any of them.  I only watch the occasional hurdle race nowadays.  I don't expect anyone else here to feel quite the same though, of my vintage that is.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK • February 21, 2024 6:17 PM GMT
Had its day cos woke
Got involved turned it into hurdle race
I don’t want see horses die
But **** me every think in life been diluted to the Max
Report acey deucy • February 21, 2024 10:57 PM GMT
I have not missed a Grand National for over 50 Years nothing could touch it for excitement but i think it has just about had it's Day. It still gets massive crowds but i think the fatalities will finish the Race for good in the end.Attitudes are changing so we all better get used to it.
Report windsor knot • February 21, 2024 11:27 PM GMT
its all relative isnt it ...imagine showing the grand national to folk in palastine and saying " look how cruel this is " ......or how many people say the national is cruel yet buy the cheapest , horrible chicken take aways and their wife splatters spiders as she " hates them " ....fact is , animals really don't have any rights . we just choose the ones we like to protect and dismiss the others . i'd rather come back as a racehorse than many other animals for sure .
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