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By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 08 Sep 24 09:54
I asked Mr Spreadsheet to post the below on my behalf, although this will not be a regular occurrence by any means.

Good morning Guys,

Many thanks for the Agouti Bear run comments, well backed (5/2f) she was always prominent, took it up inside the final furlong and quickened to go a length up, but was run out of it close home by a strong finishing rag. I thought we had it in the last half furlong and many must have agreed, she went 1.03 IR as Stewart mentioned (sadly not laid by me). A good run nevertheless, although i think she's still a bit green, so fingers crossed for her next outing.

Over 8.2K for 2 runner-up finishes in 2 runs, not to be sniffed at and it keeps my expenses down. Mind you, when she was leading, i suspect my daughter was already logging on to the Zara website after calculating 5% of 14K for the winner. ;-)

In my post yesterday, i inadvertently mentioned Salamanca Lad will be running at Newbury next Thursday, but this was an entry from last week that didn't get taken up due to the ground. He's in the early entries for Chester next Friday (17.40) class 4 (0-80) over an extended 10f. This will be his stiffest task to date up in trip, but with an RPR of 85 could be competitive, so hopefully the draw is kind to us.

I've mentioned before that posters Mr Spreadsheet and Lucky Luciano are also involved with the horse (we often meet up for racing with a few others) and they will be going up to Chester, but i will not be attending on this occasion as i'm travelling the following morning.

A decent card at York for a Sunday this afternoon, but nothing really jumps off the page as a bet, although i did think Marine Wave in the listed race (4.00) was a potential EW bet at double figure odds. She won in the class LTO, although it's a better field this afternoon and has a 3lb penalty that makes life more difficult, but she could be improving and was impressive at Pontefract in a decent time by standard on the day. A 4/TBP could pay even money.

Across the channel at Longchamp, as much as i feel Notable Speech is pretty decent, i will be backing Charyn to win the Prix Du Moulin, albeit with a sensible stake. There's plenty of pace in the field, including Tribalist who will probably make the early running with Henry Longfellow not far away, setting it up for a sprint finish between the 2 protagonists.

Although they are racing on fresh ground, the going will certainly be on the soft side of good after 25mm rain on Thursday. Chantilly, north of the capital looked soft yesterday and we know he will handle the conditions. Of course this does not mean that Notable Speech will not.

It could be a good race, the front two in the betting are both rated 122 and HL on 121. I doubt the French horses will be involved in the finish, although i feel Ramadan is overpriced @ 40/1 (B365) albeit only for 2 places.

Finally, i noticed the forums' very own 'Baldrick' having a pop, just as he has done regularly since October 2019. Posting references to the singer Andy Williams to make out he knows who i am is hardly Sherlock Holmes. I've mentioned my name (Andrew Williams) on here before and there are photos on my profile page where my name is mentioned (KLM/AF tickets when he asked me to post proof i was travelling to Paris or Linköping for example).

He doesn't seem to have the mental capability to take in there are quite a few posters on here that know me, some very well, i go racing with them, in fact 6 of them are on my WhatsApp group and they know exactly where i live/work etc. A very sad, lonely, OCD individual in my opinion; i was going to say completely whacko, but i have my forgiving head on this morning.

Trusty

WD with the lay selection.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 08 Sep 24 10:18
Andrew, just to let you know if you didn't already, that as an owner you are not allowed to Lay your horse IR (went 1.03 as stated) even as a stake saver or even to put in as a keep bet, so just as well that you couldn't. Good luck today.
By:
formoftheace
When: 08 Sep 24 10:19
Finally, i noticed the forums' very own 'Baldrick' having a pop, just as he has done regularly since October 2019. Posting references to the singer Andy Williams to make out he knows who i am is hardly Sherlock Holmes. I've mentioned my name (Andrew Williams) on here before and there are photos on my profile page where my name is mentioned (KLM/AF tickets when he asked me to post proof i was travelling to Paris or Linköping for example).

He doesn't seem to have the mental capability to take in there are quite a few posters on here that know me, some very well, i go racing with them, in fact 6 of them are on my WhatsApp group and they know exactly where i live/work etc. A very sad, lonely, OCD individual in my opinion; i was going to say completely whacko, but i have my forgiving head on this morning.


Laugh
By:
stewarts rise
When: 08 Sep 24 11:17
Just realised as the Bear is in your daughters name, then you may be able to lay it, before race or IR, you'll need to check up on that.
By:
Trusty
When: 08 Sep 24 12:59
Well done on your lay last night Mr_S. I seemed to have missed AIS's winner - too much to read LOL. WD AIS as well.
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 08 Sep 24 14:13
Thanks Trusty - I don't have a lay today but am going to watch the 2:50 @ Longchamp - I took the 8/13 on HL for 3 places - thought that was too big - we shall see
By:
Trusty
When: 11 Sep 24 18:06
I am laying Desert Flower in May Hill, 3PM at Donny tomorrow. I have already laid a ton at 2.26 and have another order in at 2.12. Yes it may win but I believe there are plenty of things in my favour. Trainer is not really firing like normal this year 1/5 last 14 days doesn't tell us enough but I feel the yard have underperformed this year. He has had two runners in the race in the last 10 years and both have placed, his last runner was Alpen Breeze that finished third to Powerful Breeze in 2019.

I am laying it tonight as you get the advantage of the ridiculous BF reductions if there are any non-runners tomorrow and also because I think 11/10 is already very short.
By:
Trusty
When: 12 Sep 24 08:37
Turns out there was no rush to lay Desert Flower as it has been backed further overnight into 4/5.

These are the fancies today mainly expecting places, win will be bonus.

2.25 Cairdeas 22/1 generally 4 places. William Haggas 1-3-4. 100% place record.

3.00 Serving With Style 50/1 3 places.  K R Burke 2-1-4. Can improve on better ground imo.

3.35 Sweet Memories 16/1 3 places. John & Thady Gosden 2-2-4. Gosden farms this race.

Fingers crossed for a nice payday.
By:
timberman
When: 12 Sep 24 13:47
Thanks for your thoughts Trusty - Best of Luck
By:
Trusty
When: 12 Sep 24 15:48
Lay wins easily and all the backs are unsighted. Poor selections, apologies.
By:
Hayden
When: 12 Sep 24 16:06
No worries Trusty , keep posting them    Happy
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 13 Sep 24 12:52
Unlucky Trusty. I've laid Faro Di Notte today in the 16:50 @ Sandown. 4 runs to date but she's a keen filly and needs to learn how to settle. I've liad @ 3.40 but she's drifted since then. Good luck all
By:
Trusty
When: 13 Sep 24 12:58
Thought I had found 3 good prices yesterday, everything I back is mainly based on trainer record in races, and today I just cannot find anything. If forced to bet it would be Another Abbot in the opener at Sandown but will wait for tomorrow.
By:
Trusty
When: 13 Sep 24 12:58
GL with yours.
By:
timberman
When: 13 Sep 24 19:01
Well done with your Lay Mr Spreadsheet and well done Trusty with your selection Meribella in the forum competition!
By:
timberman
When: 13 Sep 24 19:01
Well done with your Lay Mr Spreadsheet and well done Trusty with your selection Meribella in the forum competition!
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 14 Sep 24 22:42
formoftheace 08 Sep 24 10:19 
Finally, i noticed the forums' very own 'Baldrick' having a pop, just as he has done regularly since October 2019. Posting references to the singer Andy Williams to make out he knows who i am is hardly Sherlock Holmes. I've mentioned my name (Andrew Williams) on here before

who's david loch?
By:
formoftheace
When: 15 Sep 24 08:07
Rico-Dangleflaps 14 Sep 24 22:42 
formoftheace 08 Sep 24 10:19 
Finally, i noticed the forums' very own 'Baldrick' having a pop, just as he has done regularly since October 2019. Posting references to the singer Andy Williams to make out he knows who i am is hardly Sherlock Holmes. I've mentioned my name (Andrew Williams) on here before

who's david loch?

Ignore this p!ss….Rico being Rico…
By:
Lucky Luciano
When: 15 Sep 24 10:09
I asked Lucky Luciano to post the below on my behalf; most readers know my forum account issues.

Good morning Guys,

Thanks to all for the posts and selections.

A weekend in Paris, and Longchamp later, returning to München tomorrow evening.

A decent afternoon of group racing in several countries including the Arc trials in France, Irish and German St Legers and the Stockholm Cup in Sweden where Archie Watson sends Outbox who has finished runner-up in the race for the past 3 years.

5 group races at Longchamp, although i'm not interested in the G3 (12.33) and will probably not arrive until later for first of the Arc trials, the Prix Foy (1.33). Continuous is the rightful favourite, although 4/6 is short enough and Iresine who has a record if 3-1-2 in this race could make a race of it. Not sure if i will have a bet in the race, but if i do, it will be 2TBP on the latter.

The Prix Vermeille (2.57) is the race i'm most interested in, albeit more for my AP bet in the Arc, regular readers know i'm on Aventure (odds of 27) so she has to run well at least.

Lightly raced, only once out of the first 3 when a close 4th in the Prix De Diane (French Oaks) over an insufficient trip. Won at Deauville LTO after a 2 month break and has a good turn of foot. A low draw is a positive as long as Maxime isn't too far back in the early stages. I still have the vision of him showboating to the crowd in the final furlong when she won at Chantilly in June.

If there is a lay of a favourite on the card, i think Bluestocking could be one in this race, i'm not sure 12f is her trip (all wins between 8f and 10.5f).

The Prix Neil (3.40) is the best race on the card, featuring the front two in the betting for the Arc, Look De Vega and Sosie, and Delius, a promising 3 year old who is 3 from 4.

Look De Vega is unbeaten in 3 runs and beat Sosie by a comfortable 2.5L in the Prix Du Jockey Club (French Derby) but that was over 10.5f. Sosie has won well since and is proven over the trip, winning the Grand Prix de Paris beating Illinois who finished runner-up in the the St Leger at Doncaster yesterday. I will be backing Sosie.

A low draw is a big advantage in Longchamp sprints, but much of the pace in the G3 (4.15) appears to be amongst the higher numbers, in particular the Czech runner and well travelled and CD winner Ponntos. If i stay for this race, i may play the Richard Hughes trained No Half Measures, but only as a fun EW bet.

Not many bets today, my afternoon is all about a meeting i often go to, in a city i love; in fact i'm returning with a couple of posters (and a few others) in October. I think we may have seen the Prix L'Abbaye winner last Friday, additionally, i may have the winner of the Prix Marcel Boussac, both on Arc day.

The weather is good here, it will be a relaxing afternoon without the stress of a lumpy bet later. Looking forward to it.

Changing topic, our Syndicate horse, Salamanca Lad didn't run at Chester on Friday due to the going, but is entered at Yarmouth and Sandown on Tuesday and Wednesday respectively. My other one, Agouti Bear could be running next weekend, but is not a definite. Fingers crossed for both.

Stewarts Rise

Correct, Agouti Bear is registered in my daughters name (via Kildare Racing). I bought the 5% share as a Christmas present, the deal is i pay the monthly training and vets bills, she receives her share of the prize money (over 8K at present) and any sale proceeds we will split.

She couldn't lay the horse of course (she's not a punter anyway) but i can, although i didn't at Navan.

Trusty

Apology not necessary, i'm happy you and others put up selections on this thread.

Rico/FOTA,

I'm sure you both know i was referring to CagliariG

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 15 Sep 24 10:17
sew f@rty is the famous singer?
By:
Lampus
When: 15 Sep 24 13:37
Thank you   ANDREW   4.2  Iresine  HappyHappy
By:
stewarts rise
When: 15 Sep 24 15:50
Well done with Sosie and Iresine Andrew, pity about Blue Stocking though, hope you didn't lay it.
By:
PHS
When: 15 Sep 24 16:26
Yeah, pretty good going beside the possible lay suggestion AndrewWink
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 20 Sep 24 11:23
Good luck today Andrew with Agouti Bear
By:
stewarts rise
When: 20 Sep 24 11:30
Yes Good luck Andrew, tough draw to overcome though, shamie will need to bounce her out and get to the nearside rail in straight.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 20 Sep 24 17:36
Ran well again just outstayed i'd say.
By:
Lucky Luciano
When: 22 Sep 24 10:20
I asked Lucky Luciano to post the below on my behalf; regular readers are aware of my forum rights being revoked due to where i'm located.

Good morning Guys,

A relaxing 2.5 days in Paris last weekend, the highlight being the Arc trials at Longchamp on Sunday where i had a good day considering i only really had one strong fancy (Sosie) and an AP Arc bet to watch without a bet. I was always against the 2 odds-on jollies on the card (Continuous and Look De Vega) although i didn't lay either.

I didn't arrive until just after 13.00, i wasn't interested in the earlier G3 and Arab group race. A warm, sunny afternoon and the crowd appeared to be larger than it has been in recent years, although i could still basically sit anywhere, even on the upper levels (i was on stage 3 most of the time). 20 euros for the quality of racing and no queues for anything is a bargain.

Only 3 bets on course, 2 winners and the loser was only a fun win bet on the Richards Hughes trained No Half Measures in the G3 sprint who finished 6th, albeit only beaten 0.75L in a bunch finish after finishing well. Sods law the winner was ridden by my favourite French jockey at 54/1.

As for No Half Measures, i didn't know RH had entered it again at Newbury yesterday, it won at 6/1. She's an improving filly, soft/heavy is not an issue and if she returns to Longchamp for the Prix L'Abbaye on Arc day may be worth an EW bet assuming a low draw, that is so important in the race.

My first bet, Iresine was only in the 2TBP market, but it paid 1.7 (PMU) that was more than i expected. After reviewing the field in depth, i thought there were question marks for all the field with exception of Iresine who now has a 3-1-2-1 record in the race and the place was a good bet. As an Arc trial though, it wasn't really beneficial as he's not qualified to run.

My AP bet for the Arc, Aventure ran well in the Prix Vermeille, there was a moment i thought she may win, but fair play to Bluestocking who rallied well after  being headed. The last 3 x 200 metre sectionals for Aventure were good, it was the fastest time by standard, only beaten 0.75L and goes for the Arc with a decent chance in my opinion, although i'm surprised she's still odds of 27 on BF, the average price i've backed her at since early June. Mind you, a lot depends on the draw in the Arc. As for the winner Bluestocking, i have a feeling she will not run and go to Ascot instead.

Unfortunately, i laid Bluestocking in the morning, albeit not heavy and Iresine covered it with profit as well.

Sosie was a win bet at 4.3 (PMU) and i always felt good about this one. Lightly raced, 3 unbeaten runs at Longchamp (including a G1 and G2) and over CD. He was eased down and won cosily to my eyes, so i assume Maxime will choose Sosie over Aventure, although he did have a riding agreement with the owners in 2018 (i'm not aware if this was extended).

I'm not convinced Look De Vega is a 12f horse and he prefers heavy going, although that is a possible on Arc day of course.

Maybe the best Arc trial was actually run in Ireland the previous day, not by Economics who won the Champion stakes in a fast time (will not run in the Arc) but by the Japanese colt Shin Emperor. I'm not suggesting he will win and he probably needs decent going, but this was a good run.

Moving on to my syndicate horse (including Lucky Luciano and Mr Spreadsheet) Salamanca Lad (11/2) was stepped up in trip (10f) and class (4) at Sandown on Wednesday, making the pace and looked booked for 2nd, but lost a couple of places late on to finish 4th, beaten a couple of necks for 2nd. He will drop back to 8f (maybe even 7f) next time out and we expect he will have 1 or 2 runs before being sold at the HIT sales in October (reserve permitting).

Agouti Bear (5/2f) ran well and finished in the same position at Dundalk on Friday, but had the worst draw (17, effectively 14 due to NR's) and wandered a bit late on. She actually led in the final furlong (1.31 IR) but the early exertion of getting across took its toll.

The usual Sunday cards this afternoon, i'm not interested in anything really and there are no decent meetings in France either (a listed race in Creon) but Charlie Appleby sends Rebels Romance to Germany for the G1 Preis von Europa, a race he won in 2022. I may have a small win bet.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 01 Oct 24 11:07
Good luck with your daughters share in the Bear today Andrew, the blinkers should help her concentrate in final furlong. She's ran 3 decent races and mark doesn't seem too high so lets hope she can hang on this afternoon.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 01 Oct 24 13:45
Likedbymike just enhanced the form of last run Andrew, that was the trainers first winner for 13 years, i'd posted about it lto on the Irish Sports forum, hopefully a good sign.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 01 Oct 24 14:02
Not to be, but again went odds on IR, travelled well but just not getting home. That's also the problem so many very good apprentices taking weight off the first 3. Might be better back at 5fs perhaps.
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 01 Oct 24 15:05
I asked Mr Spreadsheet to post on my behalf.

Good afternoon Guys,

Stewarts Rise

Many thanks for your interest in the 2 year old filly, Agouti Bear and the associated posts, much appreciated. I wasn't aware she went odds-on IR, but 2f out i thought she would be placed. It was a decent nursery, almost 30,000 euros for the winner, but we nicked 500 for 6th to take her total prize money to £9322 in 4 runs. She usually races prominently as you know, although the plan was to hold her-up this time, but i tend to agree with you about the trip.

She's still a baby, so fingers crossed for next year; it's possible she may be put away over the winter now, Danny will decide in due course.

My other one, Salamanca Lad is entered for a couple of races next Monday (7th) at Pontefract and Yarmouth amongst others on 9th, 12th and 13th, the latter at Goodwood. As he will be going to the HIT sales at Newmarket later this month (28th-1st November) i will certainly make every effort to come over; i'm actually hoping it's Goodwood, i love it there. If we do sell (he will have a reserve) we plan to buy another and a short list is already in progress.

I'm off to Paris on Friday afternoon for Arc weekend, 6 of us going, the same group as last year, including posters Lucky Luciano and Mr Spreadsheet. Really looking forward to it, my favourite 2 day meeting, one i rarely miss and will be posting on Saturday and Sunday (via one of the pre-mentioned).

Good luck and have a nice Tuesday all.
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 05 Oct 24 07:52
Good morning Guys,

Staying in La Defense area of Paris for the Arc weekend, 4 of our 'group' arrived yesterday, three more to follow this morning (one more than anticipated) including posters Mr Spreadsheet and Lucky Luciano.

My favourite weekend of racing, one i try not to miss since my first in 1980 when Pat Eddery won on Detroit, 9 races per day with a total of 13 group races including the 2 Arab races. For anyone who has never been, i can recommend it, at 64 euros for a 2 day ticket (booked in advance) for non-reserved seating, it's good value compared to other major festivals.

Free transportation to the course from a couple of metro stations in the West of Paris, and although queueing to place bets, buying food and drink still exists, it's nowhere near the level as bygone years at the old course, whether in the grandstand or the garden area.

Todays card looks a little sub-standard compared to previous years, although Aidan O'Brien and Ryan Moore look likely to bring euros home in a couple of the earlier group races, but i think the locals will outperform us later.

The going is currently soft (3.7) although such measurements are rarely accurate there, last years Arc day a typical example, 'good to soft' but 6 of the 8 races were won in 'fast by standard' times. Having said that it certainly looked soft enough at St Cloud yesterday that is almost walking distance from Longchamp.

An earlier start than Sunday with the Prix Chaudenay (12.23 UK time) and Illinois, the only non-French trained runner should win the opener, take him out, it's a poor G2 field and he has the plum draw in stall 1. Ante-post backers of Sosie for the Arc will be watching this race with interest as he finished a 2L 2nd to him in the Grand Prix De Paris in August. In my opinion, this is the banker of the day, more so than Kyprios, but he's priced accordingly.

I will not be playing in the Arab group race next up, i don't recognise any of them and wouldn't have a clue.

Kyprios looks another likely winner for the AOB/RM team in the G1 Prix Du Cadran, a race he won so impressively in 2022, but again will be priced accordingly. Mind you, i have a lot of time for who is probably his main rival in Double Major, regular readers of this thread know i have backed this one a few times. One of the better French stayers, winner of the G1 Prix Royal Oak last year and was impressive when winning at Deauville by 7L LTO. Stepping up in trip and by some distance (+5f) but it wouldn't be a shock if he won.

I will be backing both shorties, but not significantly, my banker of the 2 days runs tomorrow.

I'm not interested in the handicap that follows and from a betting perspective, nor the 2 year old race (14.50) although i may have a small EW bet on Relaxx. She ran well at Deauville to finish a close 3rd after winning easily at Chantilly and although easily brushed aside over 7f on course LTO, not many got into the race behind an impressive winner.

In the G2 Prix Daniel Wildenstein i will have a small EW bet on my favourite French trainer/jockey combination and Ramadan at double figure odds. If he can reproduce his earlier season form, including 5th in the French Guineas he could figure in the finish.

An O'Brien could win the Prix Du Royallieu (3.25) but on this occasion, the younger one with Thunder Roll, another at double figure odds. Well beaten in this race last year, but was drawn in 12 and didn't have a clear run. Ran well at Leopardstown LTO and is drawn in 3, i make her the best EW bet of the afternoon.

Finally, a lay, and one that will be fancied, Anmatt in the G2 Prix Dollar (16.35) winner of the race in 2022 and a record of 8/13. A decent gelding, but now approaching 7 years old and although winning LTO, will need to do more in what is a half-decent and open field.

The weather looks reasonable today, sunny with 17c forecast, better than expected for tomorrow.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.
By:
Mr_Spreadsheet
When: 05 Oct 24 07:53
Posting on behalf of Andrew in Sweden
By:
stewarts rise
When: 05 Oct 24 09:44
A good, interesting and informative read as usual, have a great weekend with the boys and best of luck with your picks.
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Oct 24 09:56
Can't fail to be a great weekend in that place win or lose , enjoy Andrew & team    Happy
By:
Brian
When: 05 Oct 24 15:41
Well done with Ramadan Andrew, should pay the expenses at the very least.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 05 Oct 24 15:49
Yes excellent pick Andrew, unfortunately you've got to fast, reflect and pray for a month now Grin,  unfortunately i missed the race as i was busy in Ireland.
By:
glow -worm
When: 05 Oct 24 17:19
short price double wins 18/1 winner 25/1 placer and horse lay well beat top bombing
By:
PHS
When: 05 Oct 24 17:20
Great tipping Andrew

Ramadan WON
Thunder Roll 4th
Anmatt (Lay) Unplaced
By:
Trusty
When: 06 Oct 24 08:40
How did I miss this post!

Was on early but didn't see it and missed all the races as dragged to buy daughter's wedding dress. £2k down for the day, these tips would have covered that!! Really fantastic tipping, doubt we will hear anything today, going to be some sore heads this morning Grin
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