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WHOKNOWSTHEBOWLER
When: 27 Dec 23 07:49
Agree with Nineteen..Shiskin had actually started to go clear of Bravesmansgame and Allaho at 2 out , he took off a length and a half clear of both of them. They are both dubious stayers. Hewick didn't quicken they were both weakening. Shiskin would definitely have won.
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FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Dec 23 07:53
impossible to say if shishkin would have won or not ,how many times do we see something cruising on the bridle going to the last get beat ? put it this way  for example if hewick had fallen or made a race ending mistake  at say  the 2nd or  3rd last how many on here would have said he was unlucky he would have won?
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FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Dec 23 07:56
a race is decided at the finishing line not 2 out .............you dont get paid out on  woulda wons
By:
nineteen points
When: 27 Dec 23 08:04
cant argue with that foyle.so will you now back hewick to beat shishkin everytime they meet off level weight?
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FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Dec 23 08:24
depends on what price ,course distance  going and other factors including  what other horses are running .........look i dont know what would have happened if shishkin would have got away from the 2nd last without the stumble .....but lets take one or 2 famous finishes .......crisp and red rum ....if redrum had unseated at the last would anyone said he was unlucky would have won ? ....harchibald in the champion hurdle ..........cruising jockey hadnt moved .........if he say for example unseated carbury at the last every most would be saying he woulda pissed up........ and we know how that went .
By:
salmon spray
When: 27 Dec 23 08:56
Frodon was hardly a spoiler for Allaho as he always runs that way. But it did mean Allaho didn't get the easy lead which would have suited him as 3 mls was further than his optimum and he may not be quite as good as he was. BMG may not have got home at Cheltenham,but like a lot of modern-day horses who don't quite get the GC distance 3 mls at Kempton would not be a problem. I just think he's another one who is either on the decline or who has something slightly wrong with him.
I'm really not sure whether Shishkin would have won. I think he was getting towards the end of his tether but might have had the momentum to scrape home. Temperament issues aside I wouldn't touch him in the GC. I imagine he'll go for the Ryanair anyway.
By:
penzance
When: 27 Dec 23 08:59
Shiskin,win by 10Ls if he'd stayed up.
No chance.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Dec 23 09:01
lets move on ......unlucky lucky woulda won wouldna won ............nothing can change the result and we have a cracking looking savills tommorow .time better spent on what might happen tommorow !
By:
sageform
When: 27 Dec 23 09:40
BMG lost at least 3 lengths avoiding Shishkin, probably more, so no way Hewick would have beaten him. But as said above it is what it is and gave very little guide to what would happen if those 4 meet again.
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breadnbutter
When: 27 Dec 23 15:54
Chelt, summit wrong, then refuses, now trips itself up after last, never a dull moment when shishkin is out to play.

Don't think I have ever backed this creature and intend on keeping it so.
By:
CagliariG
When: 27 Dec 23 16:17
No wonder you are all skint bread and gutter, sageform has him falling  and you have him tripping after the last, even Stevie Wonder could read a race better!!
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Dec 23 17:22
*after second last, they showed it on itv, clear as day, tripped itself up.
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CagliariG
When: 27 Dec 23 17:31
Ray Charles texted Stevie as it happened and got it right!! HTH B& B?
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Dec 23 18:27
Anyone know how short everything went?       

Shishkin must of went low, then Allaho too, followed by BMG was fast and furious carnage
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 27 Dec 23 18:59
dont know how short shish bmg or allaho went but  obviously fingers burnt ,saw somewhere that hewick went around 600+ at some stage
By:
Lazza7
When: 27 Dec 23 19:24
1.33 shishkin   1.2 alloha  bmg never went below evens
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 27 Dec 23 19:30
Chamberlin told us very quickly post race that Hewick had traded at 650 on here.
By:
impossible123
When: 27 Dec 23 19:49
Don Cossack fell in the King George and won the Gold Cup. He was 5/2 prior and 12/1 post King George; Shishkin (tripped) is 12/1 for the big one, but no Budget Airline race, according to his trainer.
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