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Not really win only, I went with the stat and expected the unraced to be the one in my favour but sometimes the rag is the one, stable obviously didn't have a bean on or be half the price.
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hardest day ive ever played today.. 2 associates sed same..sign of the future.
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ir is ok before last 3f..then its completely controlled by the gps/bot which is ahead of our eyes.
ladycarla 18 Oct 23 22:14 Not really win only, I went with the stat with respect..how many short price favs has JCH had since the stats were compiled? |
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The stat was her course form 1 out of 42 and I didn't even bother looking up what price the winner was, horses for courses and all that, was worth a lay just on that.
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With respect too- sometimes you miss an angle, smaller the field more angles to look at imho. Well done with the trade, saved alot of dough.
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stats like that imo arnt accurate enough for a trainer that doesnt really have short price runners..
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alan berry prob has a carlisle stat of 1-234 but if he has a 1/5 fav its irrelevant..imo
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Not a course they target though surely no matter what the price. Maybe a kind forumite can post all 42 prices of her runners, don't think it still would tell me much imho.
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Alan berry probably had 1-234 at every course
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JCH can get one ready, Alan Berry just threw darts imho.
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His dad great trainer, you could pull the trigger on his 2 year olds.
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what happened to Alan in the end? It was incredible how Jack's 2yos knew their jobs and Alan's absolutely didn't, as if almost nothing rubbed off on him.
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JCH has had 51 runners at Liecester - two odds on, one winner one loser, that odds on winner was in 2011 since when she is 0/45, the average odds of her runners there are 25.83/1
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*53 runners
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Cheers Tiger, what month was JCH odds on winner?
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May.
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cant possible go from a stat of 0/44 when ave price of her runners was 25/1 and here she has a 1/5 fav.
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Thanks, better ground as a guess, 1/53 is even stronger for a lay, price irrelevant imho.
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Average is 25s need to see the list imo. Be some single figures what probably didn't place, again horses for courses. Would you have 50 grand on a 1/5 if trainer is 0/100 at course?
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Date/Time Horse Track Pos Jockey Odds (SP) Odds(Xch) Odds(Place) Trainer
17.10.2023 (2.50) Primo Lara (IRE) Leicester (Str) 2/3 Egan, David 1/4F 1.27 0.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 17.10.2023 (3.25) Lordsbridge Flyer Leicester (Str) 3/3 Egan, David 5/1 7.08 0.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 17.10.2023 (4.35) Maurices Men Leicester (Str) 5/8 Egan, David 6/1 8.44 2.50 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 24.10.2022 (1.50) Liberty Leicester (Str) 7/11 Rooke, George 50/1 53.23 14.46 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 11.10.2022 (3.40) Heat Of Summer Leicester (Str) 6/6 Doyle, Hollie 50/1 65.23 20.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 4.10.2022 (4.55) Rocket Yogi (IRE) Leicester (Str) 3/8 Bradley, Paddy (3) 5/1 7.59 2.14 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 11.06.2022 (6.15) Ex Gratia Leicester (Str) 4/5 Fallon, Cieren 11/2 7.00 3.10 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 11.06.2022 (7.15) Streaky Bay Leicester (Str) 7/7 Gordon, Josephine 50/1 85.00 22.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 2.06.2022 (1.35) Jalea Moon (IRE) Leicester (RH) 2/6 Tart, Robert 7/1 8.71 3.76 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 2.06.2022 (2.45) Streaky Bay Leicester (RH) 7/8 Heard, Tyler (5) 22/1 25.44 5.40 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 16.05.2022 (7.50) Prince Of Abington (IRE) Leicester (Str) 6/11 Tart, Robert 11/2 7.20 2.50 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 1.04.2022 (2.10) Rocket Yogi (IRE) Leicester (Str) 5/12 Tart, Robert 22/1 35.53 5.20 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.10.2021 (2.15) Fast Glory (IRE) Leicester (Str) 2/10 Egan, David 11/2 8.00 1.89 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 21.09.2020 (1.00) Bullington Boy (FR) Leicester (Str) 13/13 Williams, Levi 5/1 7.13 2.59 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 7.09.2020 (2.50) Marta Boy Leicester (Str) 8/9 Keenan, Darragh (3) 100/1 310.00 16.24 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 10.08.2020 (1.30) Marta Boy Leicester (Str) 7/8 Clark, Tim 200/1 339.49 46.68 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 10.08.2020 (3.30) Ultra Violet Leicester (Str) 2/9 Levey, S M 15/2 10.50 3.15 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 17.07.2020 (5.05) Mochalov Leicester (Str) 9/15 Clark, Tim 18/1 19.86 3.88 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.06.2020 (8.55) Master Rocco (IRE) Leicester (RH) 7/11 Egan, John 40/1 50.00 9.39 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 28.05.2019 (2.40) Lincoln Blue Leicester (Str) 7/8 Egan, John 11/1 13.69 4.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 5.04.2019 (3.40) Amourice (IRE) Leicester (RH) 10/11 Bennett, Charlie 25/1 38.71 9.03 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 4.09.2018 (6.55) Giseles Angel Leicester (Str) 4/7 Egan, John 16/1 23.74 4.60 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.07.2018 (6.30) Giseles Angel Leicester (Str) 2/5 Egan, John EvensF 2.10 1.31 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 28.05.2018 (4.05) Amourice (IRE) Leicester (RH) 5/6 Doyle, Brett 7/2 5.46 2.52 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 26.07.2017 (5.45) Tommys Secret Leicester (Str) 6/12 Taylor, Miss Amy 13/2 8.09 2.88 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 29.05.2017 (2.05) Twiggy Leicester (RH) 2/12 Shoemark, Kieran (3) 20/1 30.00 6.15 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 29.04.2017 (5.10) Somes Sound (IRE) Leicester (RH) 8/12 Egan, David (7) 100/1 728.95 143.28 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 16.08.2016 (8.10) Touch Of Color Leicester (Str) 6/14 Brock, Danny 25/1 36.00 9.06 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 27.07.2016 (6.15) Twiggy Leicester (Str) 3/11 Dwyer, Martin 7/2 4.95 2.11 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 22.07.2015 (5.45) Ottavino (IRE) Leicester (Str) 14/17 Friswell, Miss G 50/1 75.00 13.50 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 19.06.2014 (6.30) Goolagong Girl (IRE) Leicester (Str) 4/8 Walsh, Lewis (7) 50/1 84.90 11.03 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 19.06.2014 (8.40) Lara Lipton (IRE) Leicester (RH) 12/12 Walsh, Lewis (7) 100/1 478.67 40.01 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 2.06.2014 (5.30) Berkeley Street (USA) Leicester (Str) 6/8 Barzalona, Mickael 16/1 21.00 5.28 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 26.05.2014 (2.45) Berkeley Street (USA) Leicester (RH) 7/7 Norton, Francis 12/1 18.00 3.80 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 26.04.2014 (5.20) Jungle Bay Leicester (Str) 5/13 Kenny, David (5) 20/1 28.00 5.90 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 3.06.2013 (4.15) Excellent Jem Leicester (Str) 4/12 Durcan, Ted 20/1 27.00 7.30 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 16.10.2012 (5.10) Spyder Leicester (RH) 6/8 Hughes, Richard 5/1 7.75 2.16 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 9.10.2012 (2.10) Skating Over (USA) Leicester (Str) 10/12 Doyle, Brett 33/1 42.41 9.18 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 9.10.2012 (4.40) Bull Bay Leicester (Str) 10/14 Doyle, Brett 40/1 65.80 13.00 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.07.2012 (6.10) Bull Bay Leicester (Str) 4/8 Havlin, Robert 14/1 22.27 4.11 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 4.10.2011 (5.10) Forks Leicester (Str) 2/15 Murgia, Antioco (3) 9/1 11.50 3.99 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 23.08.2011 (5.05) Coach Montana (IRE) Leicester (RH) 8/10 Milickova, Iva M 28/1 39.32 9.12 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 2.07.2011 (5.25) Cils Blancs (IRE) Leicester (RH) 8/13 Milickova, Iva M 16/1 26.66 7.80 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 31.05.2011 (3.15) Saskias Dream Leicester (Str) 6/9 Fallon, K 8/1 10.00 2.86 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 31.05.2011 (5.15) Soldiers Point Leicester (RH) 5/9 Fallon, K 9/1 12.00 3.31 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 23.05.2011 (3.45) Ivan Vasilevich (IRE) Leicester (RH) 1/2 Spencer, Jamie 4/9F 1.50 1.15 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.10.2010 (2.30) Secret Lake Leicester (Str) 5/5 Beuzelin, Louis-Philippe (3) 10/1 14.20 5.69 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 13.06.2009 (8.40) Arteus Leicester (Str) 2/7 Atzeni, Andrea (5) 11/1 16.55 4.86 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 25.05.2009 (2.05) Hidden Door (IRE) Leicester (RH) 7/10 Milczarek, Kirsty 9/1 13.00 3.64 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 14.10.2008 (2.40) Barnaby Rudge (IRE) Leicester (Str) 16/17 Egan, John 12/1 14.87 4.10 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 14.10.2008 (3.40) Annie Skates (USA) Leicester (RH) 6/6 Egan, John 11/1 13.50 3.75 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 7.10.2008 (5.40) Melia (GR) Leicester (Str) 9/12 Catlin, Chris 50/1 80.37 16.02 Chapple-Hyam, Jane 27.05.2008 (4.00) The Flying Cowboy (IRE) Leicester (RH) 9/10 McLaughlin, T G 20/1 25.00 7.40 Chapple-Hyam, Jane |
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all stats are only there until they change, what if this 1/5 shot was up against one of Alan Berry's?
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Be a brave person to put 50K on when trainer is dead from 100 imho.
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Thanks again tiger, quick scan think it's 18 single figures what didn't win, odds say one should off, confirms a good lay for me, Leicester isn't JCH course.
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imo i think every race has to be taken at face value..
if alan berry was 1/234 and had a solid rated 85 horse running against a 50 horse would i bet it at 1/5? YES. |
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obv all boxes need ticked..yest ground was an imponderable so caution was needed.
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We could go rounds in circles all night, reality is I layed on a stat and you layed a rating on one run, did ground really come into play on one run? Be interesting what the JCH horse does in next 2 years, time will tell. Good luck in your punting. it's why betfair still works, opinions
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with a real dollop of hindsight the winning filly's first 2 runs were not actually devoid of promise, green on debut but stayed on, didn't stay next time over 9f, and she's nicely bred, I reckon she'll turn out to be OK!
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Swift- be interesting what winner ends up, rated 50 before this race, could be a handicap good thing next time
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Experience tells me, running them backend in desperate ground 9/10 they had a setback in the season.
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and she's out of a good old Selkirk mare so would've loved the ground, hard one for the handicapper, think they'd take 70!
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ladycarla 18 Oct 23 23:35
Swift- be interesting what winner ends up, rated 50 before this race hasnt got a rating. |
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That were your rating Rico.
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educated gess.
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rico yer a fukin laughin stock.
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Aside from a minor Jim Bowen blip , relentless
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thee who laffs last...blah blah
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people are beginning to work you out Rico. just saying, careful son
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I am what I am,I don't want praise I don't want pity,I bang my own drum,Some think it's noise I think it's pretty,And so what if I love each sparkle and each bangle,Why not try to see things from a different angle,Your life is a shame til you can shout out....I am what I am
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