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'We wanted them off the yard' - Chris Honour asks Hillsin owner to remove horses after Worcester controversy

Hillsin, the horse banned from racing for 40 days after a controversial ride by jockey Dylan Kitts at Worcester on Wednesday evening, has left the Newton Abbot yard of Chris Honour.

The trainer has described the fallout from the event as "horrible", with the criticism aimed in his direction going as far as death threats. As a consequence, he requested owner Alan Clegg remove both Hillsin and stablemate Colonel Lesley from his yard. Both horses were transferred to Brian Barr's stable in Dorset on Thursday.

"We wanted them off the yard," said Honour. "I don't want to go racing with them because it's going to keep bringing back bad publicity. I'd rather be away from it and don't want to be part of it. I've never spoken to so many reporters as today and I don't want the media circus around this.

"I'm not part of this, I've done my job and that horse was fit and ready to roll. End of. It's better to just walk from it and they've gone to Brian Barr's."
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By:
Ramruma
When: 06 Jul 23 16:19
Well, that was unexpected.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Jul 23 16:21
There shall be no Honour among thieves.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 06 Jul 23 16:22
"I'm not part of this, I've done my job and that horse was fit and ready to roll. End of."

Tbf, as the trainer did have the horse in peak form and ready to run for its life, I believe him!
By:
onlooker
When: 06 Jul 23 16:28
Making his first start for Honour in the 2m4f conditional riders' handicap hurdle, Hillsin was beaten one and a quarter lengths in third,[b] but was subsequently suspended from running for 40 days by the stewards at Worcester, who referred the ride by jockey Kitts to the BHA[/b].

The stewards noted how Hillsin had travelled strongly down the home straight but without ever appearing to be asked for his finishing effort.
Kitts reported to the stewards that Hillsin  made a respiratory noise towards the end of the back straight, which continued on several more occasions throughout the race, and that the gelding had also hung badly right-handed, which restricted his ability to be more vigorous in the home straight.

Honour said on Thursday that he was satisfied with the ride until the closing stages where, in his opinion, a more rigorous effort by the rider would have seen Hillsin win. The 44--year-old trainer was at pains to make clear that every horse in his care runs on its merits.

"It's a horrible situation," said Honour. "I've barely slept. We've had death threats and all sorts.
I'm not this kind of person. I don't stop horses and the horse ran well. I did my job. My job is to send a horse there capable of doing their best and he did his best. It was his first run for me and he's performed to one of his better levels. I thought he ran very well and what happened after the last is very disappointing.

"I've asked the lad [Kitts] to keep a hold of his head and I think, looking back on it, he'll agree he didn't do enough from halfway up the run-in. The horse was there to do his best. We've ridden him accordingly and he's got it wrong."

Honour told the stewards on the day how he had emphasised to the rider that Hillsin needed to be held together for as long as possible based on his analysis of the gelding's run at Exeter two starts back, when he did not get home for previous trainer Claire Harris.

Honour, a former rider with 75 wins to his name over jumps, added: "I feel sorry for the lad because he's only young. I'm a bit older and wiser and know that hopefully this will blow over.

"The horse has run well. You can see that and he should have won but he hasn't. The only argument is if he had let go of his head, whether he'd have gone forward, but in my eyes he would have gone forward had he been a little more vigorous than he was."

'It's a horrible situation to be in'

The trainer said Hillsin had been in his care for a month, during which time he had not detected a respiratory issue but that he had hung in his previous races, which can often be a sign of a breathing issue.

As well as threats and insults on social media, Honour said he had received anonymous calls on his home landline and that his wife had even taken a death threat from one caller.

He said: "It's upsetting for my whole team. We had a death threat on my landline when I wasn't home to my wife. Nobody needs that and I can't justify why someone would do that. I'm sad it's gone to a point where you feel your family is under threat. We do our best and I'm disappointed the horse hasn't won. It's a horrible situation to be in."

Having opened at 10-1 with bookmakers the previous day, Hillsin was backed into as short as 2-1 on Wednesday morning before drifting. He opened at 7-1 on course and returned at 11-1. It was the first time Kitts had ridden for the stable and Honour said it was the owner's decision to use the 3lb claimer.

Honour, who has a team of 14 horses, added: "There's an investigation going on and I don't think it benefits anybody throwing mud. At the end of the day, I know I've done nothing wrong."

'He's just got it very, very wrong'

Kitts's agent Sam Stronge said he had not as yet spoken with the rider when contacted on Thursday but felt the jockey may have "overegged" the instructions he had been given.

Stronge said: "He's a young lad and I don't think there's any malice in Dylan. I think he may have just overegged the riding instructions. It looked bad but I think he's just got it very, very wrong.

"From Dylan's perspective, I don't think there's anything more untoward than that. The rest, I'm sure, is going to be under investigation but Dylan is not a bad lad and is trying his hardest to get on the best he can."
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Close up comment

Held up in rear, headway 6th, in touch with leaders after 4 out, going easily but tenderly handled home straight, lost ground 3 out, stayed on and went third run-in, eyecatcher

Analysis comment

Debuting for a new trainer, opened 10-1 the previous day and was backed into 2-1 first thing in the morning, but he drifted right back out again before the off. He couldn't have been more eyecatching, looking to be going well in the straight but getting a soft ride. He had faded on the run-in under more forceful handling from this jockey two starts back and he's a long-standing maiden, but this did not look good. The rider reported his mount made a respiratory noise and hung badly right, but the stewards suspended the horse from running in any race for 40 days and the matter was referred to the head office of the BHA.

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One or two FORUMITES - Have already posted, on other Threads, about nefarious connections/ownerships in this rancid race
By:
MJK
When: 06 Jul 23 16:35
So he's basically saying the jockey was stopping the horse for the owner, not him?
By:
slickster
When: 06 Jul 23 16:39
What is totally baffling is if they are gambling owners - and we presume they are - why did they not punt him into oblivion? Clearly fit and clearly would have won by a few lengths were it not for the "ride". Do an old fashioned sp job. 2s out to 11s. Job done. Are the owners thick?
By:
cacique
When: 06 Jul 23 17:15
If they did want the horse pulled, why would they use a jockey that has proven he's not good at pulling horses?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Jul 23 17:21
trainer hexsonnerating himself then?
By:
Theoneandonly
When: 06 Jul 23 18:28
Reportslickster • July 6, 2023 4:39 PM BST
What is totally baffling is if they are gambling owners - and we presume they are - why did they not punt him into oblivion? Clearly fit and clearly would have won by a few lengths were it not for the "ride". Do an old fashioned sp job. 2s out to 11s. Job done. Are the owners thick?

Maybe the trainer / yard connections had got on before the owner had chance and the owner didn't fancy the 2-1 that was left?
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Jul 23 18:47
11/1 SP
17.5 BSP

low in running 13.0

Held up in rear, headway 6th, in touch with leaders after 4 out, going easily but tenderly handled home straight, lost ground 3 out, stayed on and went third run-in, eyecatcher

if it was "going easily" in the home straight why did the in-running low not go below 13.0 (SP 11/1) ??
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Jul 23 18:52
be nice if Betfair started fulfilling the Memorandum of Understanding from 2003, probably been actioned about 10 times in 20 years.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Jul 23 18:52
yoos ya heed hulk..
By:
jimnast
When: 06 Jul 23 18:52
So do I george
By:
Twoboyz
When: 06 Jul 23 18:53
Sporting Life

Held up in rear, headway on outside from 5th, lost ground on leaders 3 out but yet to be asked for any effort, closed last, very tenderly handled flat, went 3rd inside final 100 yards, stayed on
By:
leif
When: 06 Jul 23 18:54
Totally disagree with the report that it 'lost ground 3 out'. Hardly lost anything having jumped it quite well with the jockey not moving a muscle.
Looked like a 3/1 or less chance between that one and the second last and was cantering after that.
By:
jimnast
When: 06 Jul 23 18:57
Didn’t see the in running leif but have seen the race you would have had no problem laying 3/1 at that stage
By:
leif
When: 06 Jul 23 19:02
racecaller kept saying how well it was going, or the move is interesting'.
allied to the fact the coont on board hadn't moved a muscle at any point other than to push it on a tad just before the line.
By:
Twoboyz
When: 06 Jul 23 20:10
Leif.

I have to agree with the racereaders sorry.

It did lose ground. Round the bend it was disputing a very close 3rd. At the 3rd last it was 7th. All a game of opinions though
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Jul 23 20:20
justice has been served

they'll be sitting on the beach in barbados bemoaning the fact they can't do it again with Hillsin for another 40 days ....
By:
leif
When: 06 Jul 23 20:21
Fair enough but to me there is only one horse tanking along albeit with the jock taking a tug because he doesn't want to get its head in front.
Only one horse you want to be on with 3 to jump, 2 to jump, at, and after the last.
By:
Twoboyz
When: 06 Jul 23 20:29
Not disagreeing with that at all but i suppose they work off times etc and he was further behind 3 out than before. Good luck to you
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Jul 23 20:40
Only one horse you want to be on with 3 to jump, 2 to jump, at, and after the last.

so i presume betfair are looking into who was happy laying it at 13.0, safe in the knowledge that no matter how well it was travelling it wasn't winning ...

.. or is it not in their interests to divulge what goes on here ?
By:
jimnast
When: 07 Jul 23 07:59
I’m not disagreeing hulk as I don’t really understand the graphs but are you saying it was still around 13 with 2 to jump ?
By:
onlooker
When: 07 Jul 23 09:24
jimnast - The Graphs disappear from view a few minutes after each race - when the Market is finally/fully settled.

The Graphs are Not available anywhere After that time.

However - on the Timeform Results Pages/site - If you are a Registered user (Free to Register) - Then you can view the Hi/Lo

Highest Price the Winner only was Matched at in the race - But - No Lo (for the Winner) - as it would obviously be 1-01 in the vast majority of cases.

Lo only for the rest of the field - as they will all have mostly gone to 1000.0

I did not see the Graph for this race - as I moved on quickly to another race ... Busy period - end of Afternoon racing overlapping beginning of Evening meetings


The RESULT on the Timeform site shows ...  (Hopefully reproducing in format)  Happy


........................................................ISP    BSP    Hi/Lo

1    Liam Harrison          BENSINI        13/2    8.31    11/-

2    Isabelle Ryder     ¾     EATON LADY (IRE)    3/1f    4.64    -/2.1

3    Dylan Kitts     ½    HILLSIN (IRE)    11/1    17.5    -/13
By:
onlooker
When: 07 Jul 23 10:36
https://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-popout/VOD/1363063

Red and White Quartered Jacket, White Sleeves and Cap ... Last early  moved up easily on outside down back straight to a close 4th .... WALKED up the Run-In.
By:
jimnast
When: 07 Jul 23 12:49
Thanks onlooker incredible never lower than 13 absolutely incredible
By:
JPSER
When: 07 Jul 23 13:19
I do wonder why the graphs disappear so uickly after the race, i mean is it really that hard to still have that info available to view with the result?
By:
hulk23
When: 07 Jul 23 14:15
if the timeform data is accurate there is absolutely no way you would be laying that at no lower than 13 all the way up the home straight.  even after it jumped the last and was hard on the snaff its way lower than a 13 shot, possibly odds-on.  so should be a very easy exercise to isolate which accounts were happy laying way over the odds.
By:
punchestown
When: 07 Jul 23 18:12
That 12/1 on the run in tells you all you need to know.
By:
leif
When: 31 Aug 23 20:46
'We wanted them off the yard' - Chris Honour asks Hillsin owner to remove horses after Worcester controversy

Hillsin, the horse banned from racing for 40 days after a controversial ride by jockey Dylan Kitts at Worcester on Wednesday evening, has left the Newton Abbot yard of Chris Honour.

The trainer has described the fallout from the event as "horrible", with the criticism aimed in his direction going as far as death threats. As a consequence, he requested owner Alan Clegg remove both Hillsin and stablemate Colonel Lesley from his yard. Both horses were transferred to [b]Brian Barr's
stable in Dorset on Thursday.[/b]


Brian Barr has announced that he is to quit racehorse training.
Reckons he's received death threats related to Hillsin although his primary decision appears to be fed up with training glue factory fodder.Plain
By:
leif
When: 31 Aug 23 20:49
Kitts was suspended for 40 days on July 14th pending an investigation. Been out for over 50 days up to now but no sign of any conclusions as yet.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 31 Aug 23 21:13
Hillsin is now with Alan Jones. The owners have found their spiritual home.
By:
leif
When: 31 Aug 23 21:35
Where is Dylan?
Is Micky Fitz still offering him succour?
By:
tomo1984
When: 31 Aug 23 22:24
Who would put him up on one?

Not many right now.
By:
leif
When: 31 Aug 23 22:30
Normally, and sympathetically to a young un you'd say give him a second chance but he's got a bit of previous so he's under a proper cloud.
Saying that, if he's been 'got at' he has an opportunity to say as much and start again with a clean slate.
[maybe with a body-guard thoughPlain
By:
hulk23
When: 01 Sep 23 09:54
Brian Barr has announced that he is to quit racehorse training.

wow.  Brian made enough out of this that he can afford to quit training.  well done Brian, can you tell the rest of us next time Happy
By:
the dealer
When: 01 Sep 23 10:53

Aug 31, 2023 -- 9:13PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


Hillsin is now with Alan Jones. The owners have found their spiritual home.


A match made in heaven

By:
acey deucy
When: 01 Sep 23 12:04
Be Afraid !! Scared
By:
Flemenstar
When: 16 Jan 24 20:44
runs tomorrow. 2.10 Southwell

lets see if its off
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