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By:
Billy Liddell
When: 09 Jun 23 06:05
Market Rasen 2-50 Mullinaree  7.8 Not to win

Kate Kenyon's 7yr old hurdler is on a roll and goes for a four-timer after a trio of Fontwell 2m3f small field successes on Heavy and Good ground.
Different story hopefully today up to Class 2 level over an extended 2m4f in a bigger field..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 09 Jun 23 10:47
Market Rasen 4-20 Rocambolas  5.4 Not to win

Rocambolas who is owned and trained by Ben Pauling made a winning start for his new yard in a 2m handicap hurdle in April of a mark of 74. Folded like a pack of cards at Southwell next time and after going four lengths clear at the last two weeks ago threw away a certain victory when flashing his tail and then getting beaten over 2L.
To add insult to injury is now raised 2lbs and with both wins on Heavy and Soft this better ground shouldn't help the cause with being 9lbs above that hurdle win..


Clonmel 8-30 Rule Of June   8.8 At the moment

The 9yr old Rule of June is 1-20 and but 1-5 chasing, the Liam Casey mare won off 83 last August but couldn't follow up when favourite twice off 90 and 91. Still Looks too high off 88 going by results since and hopefully June might have to wait a little longer until August or September time
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 09 Jun 23 15:27
Mullinaree  WON easy 7.8

A horse in form has no trouble going up in grade, could probably win again..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 09 Jun 23 20:55
One let me down again..

3-12

Losing bets 4.6   5.6   7.8

15 Losses
12 Wins
By:
madhatters
When: 09 Jun 23 21:00
Your new backing system going well BL
Oh Grin

Not sure where they going to fit little mac in
Lot of money for someone who in periphery
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 10 Jun 23 05:59
Need to get this AI on the case mh..

Liverpool have made as much money in the past 5-6yrs as anybody in the world but balance the books and apart from Arsenal this year are the only team to rival City. Winning the league and getting beat twice by a point and also winning the European cup and FA cup has been a great spell but we didn't perk up the mid-field and kept players who are past their best and don't score goals.
I said it on the football forum and still maintain it, just one goal scoring midfielder would of secured at least another league and even 4th place this season.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 10 Jun 23 09:17
Off out to New Brighton, will back Kildorrery later.

Beverley 4-25 Broctune Red  6.6 Not to win

Only one win on turf from 22 runs and that was in Sept 21 off 58, now still up to 65 and 8yrs old, didn't win last turf season off similar marks..

Punchestown 2-30 Kildorrery

10yr old bay and hold-up performer who has won four from 45, off since January and usually needs a run or two to get to his best.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 10 Jun 23 17:17
Kildorrery made no impression and was beaten nearly 16L while Broctune Red weakened in the final furlong and was beaten 8L..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 11 Jun 23 13:25
No System bet today, these are just for interest

Punchestown 1-40 Stay Local  14.0 Not to win

0-9 all told and beaten 28L on hurdle debut

Perth 2-25 Ballinlough Gale   8.4 Not to win

One win from 32 and 9lbs above Irish rating

Punchestown 2-50 Pat Coyne  10.57 Not to win

30lbs above hurdle mark and 8lbs above highest chase win


Perth 3-00 Castletown  8.6 Not to win

One win from 29 chasing and 5lbs above that win last May

More to follow..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 11 Jun 23 14:14
All not to win

Navan 3-10 Collective Power  8.2

Much better on the Dundalk AW and one win from 9 on the turf..

Navan 3-40 Giladah  10.0

Three wins in handicap company last summer but form dropped off lately and doesn't come out well on OR.

Punchestown 4-00 Big Island  12.0

8lbs above only hurdle win last Sept with Mrs Phillips taking the ride looking for her first win.


Navan 4-40 Malbay Madness  15.0

16lbs above 2yr old win and stable no known for 3yr old winners.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 11 Jun 23 17:01
Seven lost with only one spoiling a clean sweep for interest only..
By:
Gaze733
When: 11 Jun 23 18:11
Collective Power 6/1 fav ISP, 10 BSP 2nd fav. Bookies were right.
By:
formoftheace
When: 11 Jun 23 18:18
Silly Billy….imo
By:
Gaze733
When: 11 Jun 23 18:49
Big odds are dangerous, my average lay odds are 3/1. And favs above 4/1 are unlayable.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 12 Jun 23 08:52
Yesterday was only for interest G, there was no bet. Thanks f

Southwell 2-45 Shar Whats Therush  9.8

Unless there is a Barney Curley coup going on it doesn't look like  the Dr Richard Newland owned and trained 10yr old Shar Whats Therush will gain his second win today. Since his success five years ago he has steadily climbed the handicap and is still 13lbs above that November 2017 win and has been off for 431 days.
By:
tanglefoot
When: 12 Jun 23 10:54
^^ dangeroos
By:
BULLET TOOTH TONY
When: 12 Jun 23 13:13
They’re all dangerous as less than 10.00. But that’s as good a reason to take it on, if u think it should be 25.00 rather then 9.8
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 12 Jun 23 15:18
Thanks for the in-put lads,
                              Non Runner..(withdrawn, vet's certificate)
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 12 Jun 23 18:14
7-48 Roscommon

The 8yr old Digby usually needs a run and has been off for 10 months since a fall last July, will need to get his eye back in on Softer ground in the coming months.  12.0

8-40 Windsor
Mr Zee has had two soft ground successes in April and May off 54 and 56 making all for this jockey, back into Class 5 company now off 60 and winning run should be halted..  8.4
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 12 Jun 23 21:04
Digby was beaten 14L while Mr Zee trailed in second last beaten 16L.

3 - 16
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 13 Jun 23 16:34
Brighton 4-50 De Vegas Kid  7.6

9yr old who has won 10 times from 73 runs, usually needs a run and has been off for 134 days. Hasn't ran in a sprint for four years and will need a mile to get back in the winners enclosure.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 13 Jun 23 19:32
De Vegas Kid finished last beaten beaten 11L

Losing bets 7/2  9/2  7/1

17 Winning Bets
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 15 Jun 23 13:04
Yarmouth 2-30 Owen Little  7.6

5yr old who has won twice from 12 starts, not usually ready to Rock n Roll when fresh and has been off for 310 days. The last winning jockey David Probert has gone to Newbury and 5lbs above only handicap win with the loss of decent apprentice who has also gone to lovely Berkshire..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 15 Jun 23 16:26
Owen Little made no impression from two furlongs out and was beaten nearly 11 lengths..  11/2
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 16 Jun 23 12:25
Cork 7-10 Old Port  12.5  Half Stake

In racing you have to have the confidence in your own ability to mostly back winners or lay horses who you think won't win who are Bigger or lower in the betting that you think they should be. Horses make fools of us but as BULLET TOOTH TONY said if you think one should be Bigger you have to trust your own opinion.

I am going to do a few to Half Stake Lays now and again, not just because they are 10/1 or Bigger but because I think they won't win.

The 5yr old Old Port is a Winner of six races from 1m 1f to 1m 4f on Good to Firm ground once and on the AW five times. Again one of those who has never won fresh and it is 220 days since he last ran in November. Runs tonight in this Cork Derby Premier Handicap but has never won above Class 3 level in the UK and makes debut for new stable 6lbs above his turf mark.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 17 Jun 23 08:20
Old Port was always towards rear and no extra beaten 9 lengths..

Chester 2-10 Vespasian  6.2   1pt lay

The 4yr old bay has been successful at 6f and 7f on the AW with the latest win in February 2022 off 5lbs lower . Seemed to be weakening on this type of ground at Windsor in May and might have to wait for some rain and Softer conditions to be successful again.

Off out to COSCO, more later..Wink
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 17 Jun 23 16:29
Vespasian had no extra and finished 4th

Hexham 5-30 Bushmill Boy  8.8  1pt lay

9yr old who is yet to win from 14 races, 4lbs wrong today and looks better over further after decent run when 3rd at the start of June over 2m4f. Never dangerous over this 2m in April off this sort of mark..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 17 Jun 23 18:32
Bushmill Boy weakened and lost two places near finish and finished 4th beaten 4 lengths

Losing bets 7/2  9/2  7/1

3 losing bets

20.5 Winning Bets
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 19 Jun 23 09:13
I done a long piece on Chagall in the 4-00 Lingfield being 10lbs above last win, not getting home over CD in May and better over a mile on Softer conditions and I somehow clicked it off..

6.6 Not to win

Off out to buy and order a fabric suite, wife's gone off leather. More later..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 19 Jun 23 13:04
Wolverhampton 4-10 Distinction  11.5  Half Stake

Drawn 10 from 10 and only one win from 38 which was over 7f on Soft ground, beaten 12 lengths over CD in October from another wide draw.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 19 Jun 23 17:00
Chagall finished 3rd after losing ground but then running on well about a length away while Distinction came in 4th beaten best part of two lengths..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 19 Jun 23 18:41
Windsor 7-05 Justcallmepete  9.6

Winner of five races on the AW but figures suggest not as good on turf, 13lbs above last outing at Newmarket in October 2022..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 19 Jun 23 19:26
Justcallmepete finished 3rd


Losing bets 7/2  9/2  7/1

3 losing bets

23 Winning Bets
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 20 Jun 23 12:24
Wexford 4-37 Battle Of Mirbat  10.5  1pt lay


The 6yr old Battle Of Mirbat who is owned and trained by  Michael J McDonagh got a big hike of 12lbs for winning at Leopardstown in March over an extended 2m5f, didn't seem to stay at a near 3m2f 26 days ago when beaten 23 lengths and runs over that same distance today still a stone above only win.
By:
Trident
When: 20 Jun 23 12:46
Good thread and Good Luck. There are quite a few layers who are trying to Get River Tiber 15:05 Royal Ascot Beat! They IMO will be in for a rude awakening as this horse steps up a Furlong to 6F.
By:
Gaze733
When: 20 Jun 23 13:21
River Tiber is an easy lay, mugbackers.
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 20 Jun 23 13:53
Thanks T and G, nice to see people with different opinions, I haven't looked at Ascot yet. Been doing my borders and putting some roses in, going to have a little study now..
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 20 Jun 23 15:14
Well done Trident, hope you didn't lay it for too much G. I had it for 2pts in The Comp..
By:
Trident
When: 20 Jun 23 15:15
Needed every yard of the 6F, closer than I thought it would be!
By:
Billy Liddell
When: 20 Jun 23 15:42
No bet but one just for interest

Royal Ascot 5-00 Ahorsewithnoname  12.5

Like all these Top meetings anything can actually win at Royal Ascot so I'm just watching this wonderful occasion that I have been lucky to go to a few times.

Only two 8yr old have won this race since 1988 and even though AHWNH has won over 2m4f in a Cheltenham listed event I didn't think the mare fully got the Cesarewitch Handicap 2m2f at Flat racing speed.

Today she has another 10lbs and another near two furlongs so it will be very interesting watching without a bet.
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