That Should Be A Huge Ban Whether Winning Or Losing

Showboaters should be shot.

Jeez - he lost in the photo

2 months should be banned

P Cosgrave should be made to pay every single punter who wagered on him their payout !

In fact, if they started handing out bans whether you win or lose,
this would cease overnight

28 days max?

I think it was Paul Haigh who said it shouldn't be ten strikes with the whip maximum - it should be ten strikes minimum.

Twitter video of finish for those who missed it: 

https://twitter.com/C_Gilbrook/status/1649127734390452253?s=20

ALL jockeys should have to watch that again every day they race to show and teach them how NOT to be a complete tit and cost punters probably in excess of £1,000,000.  Very long ban and he should consider himself very lucky that he doesn't have to pay back all the losing punters  - Cosgrave's losses may be pretty trivial compared to some.

No excuses! There needs  to be an award system set up to show how bad these jocks are!

I backed the winner and had the forecast but still a total disgrace, 1 year ban for me

this is the worst case ever in the UK of a jockey easing up and losing............why he didnt give him the go a furlong from home to win by 3 or 4 L is beyond me. i dont get it.
races are lost every day on the flat by a jockey cruising into the lead 2f from home but they usually give it the treatment in the final furlong. they may lose the battle but no one blames them for doing it. this is of course beyond belief as he never asked it to go. it insane.

He's really sorry for connections

Couldn't give a sh*t about punters?

He got 28 days, .Humans are human so there will always be errors
In fairness he came on TV to apologise

Patsy has faced the camera and apologized. Does that make your loss on the race any less bitter???

So did the 'experts' on Racing TV hide behind the 'we all make mistakes' line or were they honest for a change?

Apr 20, 2023 -- 8:19PM, daz190 wrote:

I backed the winner and had the forecast but still a total disgrace, 1 year ban for me

Agreed ! !2 month ban should be the minimum , that`s what you would get for making the mistake of drink driving!
That would be moderately fair! I would guarantee it would never happen again , like that that !( Unless jockey drunk or on drugs)

I wonder if anything was said to Ben Robinson in the weighing room

A northern-based jock who's not a regular at Chelmsford, and there's Patsy and his mates thinking wtf, did you have to do that and drop the lad in the soft and smelly?

Another thing - no-ones asking him to whip the horse over the line but surely handicapper's aren't impressed by taht soprt of cocky riding - all he had to do was ride a sensible finish the h;capper knows he could have won 5-10 lengths: sobstewards should still fine them even if they win if they dont ride a reasonable finish or try tomask the horse's ability from the handicapper - then they won't have any reason to try to be clever at the punter's expense

It's all going Tits Up

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Patsy's gonna have to pull a few extra Strokes when he comes back to makecup for loss of earnings. Or maybe RTV and ITV will give him work in the meantime..

dont think too many wagons will have lost out. lumping on at 1/6. dont fink so

Exactly, Gagging, who was he trying to kid?

The handicapper is probably going to put the horse up at least 10lb for the Redcar win anyway.

The horse has two entries on Monday, so maybe the instructions were to give the horse as easy a race as possible.

Can't see what all the fuss is about, horse didn't stay, simple as that...

He was hardly trying to mask the ability. Just the buzz I think of being able to win pulling up without being asked a question, and screwing it up royally.

(Ring price: 1/8 2/15 1/7 2/13 1/6) SP 1/6fav

they couldn't give it away in the ring ....

Here's a question for people excusing the ride on the basis that "he's only human and we all make mistakes".

Well hang on a tick, wasn't he trying to conceal the horse's true superiority by taking it easy and win by a narrow margin?

Well guess what guys, he got caught out!

Apr 20, 2023 -- 9:20PM, stratfordman wrote:

Can't see what all the fuss is about, horse didn't stay, simple as that...

Sparrow

It was human error. It's not an excuse, or justification. Epic fails in sport like that happen because we aren't robots and can be affected by emotion.

bha site under maintainence.

The drift beforehand told you all you needed to know...clearly wasn't expected, 6lb rise & didn't stay.

Disgusting the poor jock banned for 28 days...

maintenance. ydc

mitolo = mongaloid.

the freeze on the line

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1649132896622374915

Stewards "Pat Cosgrave, the rider of CONCORDE, placed second, beaten by a nose, had failed to ride out approaching the finish. After being interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Cosgrave was suspended for 28 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing on a horse that would have finished first."

https://www.racingpost.com/news/reports/pat-cosgrave-banned-for-28-days-after-dramatically-throwing-away-victory-on-odds-on-shot-aJhIG7D7Q8qF/

Pat Cosgrave banned for 28 days after dramatically throwing away victory on 1-6 favourite

ricardo=  https://youtu.be/GZDl_R8Zp2E

aye lucks clearer thier george..it will have bean a bigger price as the 101 layers fighting to go green

Human error ! Cider  , thank god he is not a brain surgeon , i hope they are not affected by emotion too often .
Actually with the state of the NHS they might well be doing the same if not worse .

It was not an error, he deliberately stopped the horse going the pace that it went when asked to quicken, he stopped the horse from striding out. His objective was to win by a smaller margin than the horses true ability merited and in doing so keep the horses handicap down as we all know. He was over confident and cost 1000s of punters, his owners and trainers and rightfully will be punished. What a total ****, hope he is booed on his return and reminded of his responsibilities.

Did he apologise to punters?

28 days.

Caribbean nice this time of year.

Blimey just watched, with his experience he really shouldn't be doing that. Grandstanding to easing a horse like that don't fool the handicapper. Looking over both shoulders he must have disregarded My Roxanne as it was so far behind and from then on just glanced at the horses on his outside. Luck sort of conspired against him as losing by a nose, he was in front again a stride past the line (still blissfully unaware of what had transpired). Compare that to how lucky Mickael Barzalona in the Derby of all races was on Pour Moi.

Apart from apologising specifically to connections, Cosgrave did say he was sorry for all concerned. That's more than the usually reliable Willie Carson did all those years ago when he dropped his hands at Lingfield (I think).

youwillblucky 20 Apr 23 21:28 
Apr 20, 2023 -- 9:20PM, stratfordman wrote:

Can't see what all the fuss is about, horse didn't stay, simple as that...


Sparrow





???? What has that post got to do with me please?  For the record and especially that jinxy person I thought that Cosgrave ought to be banned for much longer irrespective of the present guidelines or whatever.

Swings and roundabouts

A lot of people lost money they shouldn't and a lot of people won money they shouldn't.

Luck evens itself out in the long term.

I think the penalty is lenient. 3 months would be good.

6 Months ban minimum ffs...And that is being lenient.

Probably the worstest case i have ever seen.

No way Cosgrove slept a wink last night.

That's more than the usually reliable Willie Carson did all those years ago when he dropped his hands at Lingfield (I think).

Yes, Kamari at Lingfield

Always going well, led, hard held final 3f, shaken up last strides, headed line

Carson had also been caught out easing prematurely in the Cheshire Oaks three years earlier on Bashayer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=294P26Wp70k

Short memories on here,certainly not the worst compared with Seb Sanders (Battleship Bruce btw fined £375),Fellon,Ballinger Ridge (Hallmark of pre-arranged result),Tony Culhane patting his mounts neck easing down and getting caught (Arab Owned,forget name)?

He made a mistake.

There was no gain in what he did, apart from giving the horse as easy a race as possible.

Nevertheless there has to be some indication to others that unavoidable mistakes like that will not be tolerated.

Twenty press-ups in public should do it.

''unavoidable mistakes''

Should be ''avoidable mistakes''

I don't believe it should be more than 28 days because at this time of year when the Saturdays are going to be busy and the turf evening meetings are kicking off, there will be plenty of rides up for grabs and it is going to be in effect a significant financial penalty for him in terms of lost income, plus the rides he might have got he may not get back on once his ban ends.

should be 3 months 1st offence

camnt take someones liuvelyhood away for a mistake..

28 daze and a huge fine wood suffice imo.

Anybody got a link to the actual race please. I'm not on social media. tia.

cant take someones livelyhood away for a mistake..

28 daze and a huge fine wood suffice imo.

These "mistakes" would cease immediately with that kind of deterrent.

He didn't just stop riding out to the line, he pulled the horse up.

Apr 21, 2023 -- 1:14PM, stewarty b wrote:

Anybody got a link to the actual race please. I'm not on social media. tia.

Closing stages here on Twitter. You don't need an account just to have a look. Just use the link.

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1649130133956034563?s=20

^ closing stages

Just think if a footballer or any other sports person got 28 days or more on the sidelines for every mistake.
England footballers missing penalties for instance.
Or as a punter, you got 28 days off for picking the horse.
If it was deliberate that's another matter. But a genuine mistake?

the wrong horse.

Not comparable.
There's a massive difference between a mistake & being unprofessional boarding on fraudulent.

Thanks Wesdag. Christ, that was bad. Is Cosgrove left headed only?

**right headed.

Human error ! Cider  , thank god he is not a brain surgeon , i hope they are not affected by emotion too often .
Actually with the state of the NHS they might well be doing the same if not worse .

Erm, it's not a life and death scenario. And fwiw, medics and their helpers regularly make huge blunders.

An elderly man had the wrong leg amputated during surgery, a hospital in Austria has admitted.

The 82-year-old was due to have his left leg removed on Tuesday, but due to “human error” the right leg was amputated above the knee instead, the Freistadt Clinic said Friday.

The error occurred after a hospital worker mistakenly put a preoperative mark on the wrong leg, the hospital said.

& being unprofessional boarding on fraudulent.

What kind of talk is that? 

It's either fraudulent or it isn't. You can't be tried for almost robbing someone, or almost assaulting them.
You either have or you haven’t.

Racing Post (sort of) picking up on my title thread.

A ban should be considered whether you win cockily or lose stupidly.

how many times would it happen if jockeys were held personally liable for any losses incurred by punters ?  not talking 5ers or 10ers but if that was the last leg of a massive acca someones been ridden horribly.

thank god he is not a brain surgeon

If he was, he wouldn't get suspended for a mistake.

Cider - re the Austrian gentleman - apparently his left leg is getting better. Sorry

Apr 21, 2023 -- 4:01PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

& being unprofessional boarding on fraudulent. What kind of talk is that?

free speech

btw, you heard of the word attempted as in attempted murder for example?

You didn't say ''attempted.''

You said  There's a massive difference between a mistake & [b]being unprofessional boarding on fraudulent.[/b]

It's bordering on :p

Hopefully he had appropriate medical insurance, blackbarn, or else he won't have a leg to stand on.

Apr 21, 2023 -- 4:33PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

You didn't say ''attempted.''You said

And yes I stand by it.

Semantics.

& yes - bordering on - a typo

The Racing Post have nicked your story - OP - poppydog.

poppydog started this Thread - immediately after the 8:00pm race finished Last Night

That Should Be A Huge Ban Whether Winning Or Losing
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Racing Post article Today ...

Ban jockeys even when they win - and then we might stop this senseless showboating

David Jennings
Deputy Ireland editor

Published on 21 April 2023
Last updated 14:00, 21 April 2023

Equally idiotic!!

Still no apology to the punters from Cosgrove as far as I know.....disgusting

Says he is going to suffer himself financially during his ban....what about the punters who were correct in their assumption his horse would win and were through no fault of their own denied a profit

Don't forget the experts in the "Premier" division compy,seething imo?

Horse patently didn't stay the distance

move on

Apr 21, 2023 -- 9:28PM, DancingBraveTheBest wrote:

Says he is going to suffer himself financially during his ban....what about the punters who were correct in their assumption his horse would win and were through no fault of their own denied a profit

The c*nts seem to forget that it's the punter that keeps the show on the road. C*nt.