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9.30 at the track 
We regret to hear the tragic news from Aintree Racecourse this afternoon that 9 year old horse Envoye Special has died from fatal injuries during the 4:05pm Foxhunters chase - on the first day of this year's Grand National Horseracing Festival.
This was their first time running on the infamous track at Aintree which took the lives of 4 other horses in last year's Festival alone.
No animal should die in the name of sport or food. We are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers, it's time we rally together to protect the horses at Aintree and cancel the Grand National.
We will no longer be bystanders to this suffering.
Let's create a world in which no animal has to be subjected to the cruelty that Envoye Special experienced. This weekend we will hold them in our hearts as we take direct action to stop this barbaric and outdated practice.
We regret to hear the tragic news from Aintree Racecourse this afternoon that 9 year old horse Envoye Special has died from fatal injuries during the 4:05pm Foxhunters chase - on the first day of this year's Grand National Horseracing Festival.
This was their first time running on the infamous track at Aintree which took the lives of 4 other horses in last year's Festival alone.
No animal should die in the name of sport or food. We are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers, it's time we rally together to protect the horses at Aintree and cancel the Grand National.
We will no longer be bystanders to this suffering.
Let's create a world in which no animal has to be subjected to the cruelty that Envoye Special experienced. This weekend we will hold them in our hearts as we take direct action to stop this barbaric and outdated practice.
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One sincerely hopes that relevant authorities ensure these fanatics with their misplaced and uneducated views on the true welfare of race horses, are prevented from causing any distress to the animals they purport to love and protect.
I love animals,if Animal Rebellion would concentrate on the real cruelty that goes on in abattoirs with animals getting their throats cut I would have some respect for them.The average racehorse is one of the best looked after animals in the world.
No animal should die in the name of sport or food. We are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers, it's time we rally together to protect the horses at Aintree and cancel the Grand National
No animal should die in the name of food?
Militant bean eaters can ferkough.
I see they can’t help banding the word Cancel.
Why don’t they protest against religion who sacrifice animals for nothing other than to apparently appease a non existent invisible friend?
No animal should die in the name of food?
Militant bean eaters can ferkough.
I see they can’t help banding the word Cancel.
Why don’t they protest against religion who sacrifice animals for nothing other than to apparently appease a non existent invisible friend?
One of their recruitment videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-8WqGVRZo&ab_channel=AnimalAid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-8WqGVRZo&ab_channel=AnimalAid
I can categorically tell you now, there will be NO disruption from these people. Intelligence gathering face recognition and AI has advanced as we all use mobile phones and tech now.
You may get a few with banners, but that's it. Their threats are just threats. I'm surprised the media have given them such a big outlet...
I'm all for peaceful protest, but there is NO chance this lot cancel the Grand National, Maybe 5- 10 years ago but not now with the surveillance we have.
You may get a few with banners, but that's it. Their threats are just threats. I'm surprised the media have given them such a big outlet...
I'm all for peaceful protest, but there is NO chance this lot cancel the Grand National, Maybe 5- 10 years ago but not now with the surveillance we have.
If you're aware of the Aintree systems in place, you may understand my post. Cant go into details for obvious reasons!
Apr 14, 2023 -- 7:55AM, second again wrote:
I love animals,if Animal Rebellion would concentrate on the real cruelty that goes on in abattoirs with animals getting their throats cut I would have some respect for them.The average racehorse is one of the best looked after animals in the world.
The average racehorse is one of the best looked after animals in the world. 100%
Hopefully the AI will get updated to keep out fake tan too.
In my opinion these morons like extinction rebellion are protected by the authorities, police etc. Hopefully if somehow they get onto the course and glue themselves to the rails, fences whatever before the GN at 5.15 then Aintree should close the course and leave the f@ckers glued and unable to move. Come back a day later and they'd have p1ssed and sh@t themselves, be hopefully soaked and frozen overnight and begging to be released, then the GN could go ahead!
I am fearing the worst on Saturday and i think the odds are pretty short that we have at least one mor fatality before the meeting ends.Aintree could not do anymore to make the Race safer....Maybe half the field size would help.
Smaller fences, horses go faster .....why anybody thinks this will lead to less fatalities I have no idea.
I think Jockeys now have the sense to pull up tired horses rather than try to complete the course.
Apr 14, 2023 -- 11:49AM, sixtwosix wrote:
Smaller fences, horses go faster .....why anybody thinks this will lead to less fatalities I have no idea.
If you cover hurdles with some fern, the horses and riders will take liberties with them, and when it comes to jumping a real fence, they'll be in for a nasty surprise.
Keep appeasing the Woke and eventually you'll give in to the cranks
Kevin Blake took part in an interview alongside a spokesperson for Animal Rising
Kev acquitted himself royally.
https://twitter.com/kevinblake2011/status/1646637948903849987
Kev acquitted himself royally.
https://twitter.com/kevinblake2011/status/1646637948903849987
A very well constructed debate in which Kevin spoke wonderfully well on behalf of the racing industry, very well done Kevin.
These horses are not just one of the best looked after animals in the World,they are better looked
after than human beings!
after than human beings!
Why don't these animal rights protesters go and do their thing outside Halal butchers abattoirs, now that is horrendous.
the RSPCA are taking wild ponies of a mountain near me because they cannot survive in the weather and these ignorant fools want to put the thoroughbred out in the wild and fend for it's self, the breed would be extinct in a couple of years.
Australian slaughterhouse
I keep on hoping the rifle backfires
I keep on hoping the rifle backfires
Couldn`t name the racing stables he had been to around Newcastle. Vic would have told him to f@ck off
Imagine if these idiots do get onto the track and stop the race .I think 50,000 slightly intoxicated Scousers would politely explain the errors of their ways .
definitely gonna kick off, all this social media shoite has just glorified it, bet any money the race doesnt finish.
not ar5ed over hyped anyway
not ar5ed over hyped anyway
Animals being Cooked Alive and Eaten alive world wide , including Dogs , why can these people not visit these countries ?
The problem is some of them take their animal loving a bit too far.
Like that PETA guy who got raided and the found him naked with a bunch of hairless mice covered in Vaseline.
Look it up…actually don’t…it’s so gross.
Like that PETA guy who got raided and the found him naked with a bunch of hairless mice covered in Vaseline.
Look it up…actually don’t…it’s so gross.
Just watched the Kevin Blake video. Unfortunately he hasn't won the debate and we should all stop kidding ourselves that he has struck some sort of a blow for horse racing. He was certainly eloquent and his points well argued. But its a simple fact that the debate is unwinnable. Nothing short of a total ban on the sport, whereby risk is eliminated by not incurring risk at all, will satisfy the anti side.
To accept that some risk will always remain is to play into their hands. Reducing the risk to "acceptable" levels just plays into the contra arguement. And to compare the risk to forty years ago is to concede that those who support horse racing believe and understand that there was a time when the risk incurred was unacceptable. Once you've done that, it just becomes a matter of degree. The antis will never concede that it ever comes down to degrees of acceptability. No risk at all, is the only compromise they will ever accept, which of course, is no compromise at all.
The problem is one of self-condidence. Are we ready to say enough is enough. We understand what we are doing and appeasement is off the table, as it should have been from the outset.
It's racing's problem that it now feels the weight of a societal shift in a perception of morality in many walks of life, although in conflating the use of animals with the use of animals for food, I think the antis miss an opportunity - they are different, both morally and commercially.
We have to deal with that issue, and there is no answer that I can think of that will cause the committed to ever change their minds. It isn't going to happen.
It's long been my view that the Grand National is a contest that plays a huge part in introducing many to the thrills of horseracing, the seed of a lifetime of devotion to our wonderful sport. But once initiated, most fans come to realise that the race itself is far from representative of day to day racing. It is (or rather was), unique in its conception and in the experience as a spectator. But if it was abolished tomorrow, I really don't think it would be too badly missed by committed fans. But as a target for the antis it actually serves a purpose as a bulwark to the rest of the sport. Let them wave their banners, glue themselves to rails, disrupt and derail to their hearts content. But at ALL costs, keep running it. For as long as we have the National, they are not turning up at Plumpton on a Monday afternoon.
To accept that some risk will always remain is to play into their hands. Reducing the risk to "acceptable" levels just plays into the contra arguement. And to compare the risk to forty years ago is to concede that those who support horse racing believe and understand that there was a time when the risk incurred was unacceptable. Once you've done that, it just becomes a matter of degree. The antis will never concede that it ever comes down to degrees of acceptability. No risk at all, is the only compromise they will ever accept, which of course, is no compromise at all.
The problem is one of self-condidence. Are we ready to say enough is enough. We understand what we are doing and appeasement is off the table, as it should have been from the outset.
It's racing's problem that it now feels the weight of a societal shift in a perception of morality in many walks of life, although in conflating the use of animals with the use of animals for food, I think the antis miss an opportunity - they are different, both morally and commercially.
We have to deal with that issue, and there is no answer that I can think of that will cause the committed to ever change their minds. It isn't going to happen.
It's long been my view that the Grand National is a contest that plays a huge part in introducing many to the thrills of horseracing, the seed of a lifetime of devotion to our wonderful sport. But once initiated, most fans come to realise that the race itself is far from representative of day to day racing. It is (or rather was), unique in its conception and in the experience as a spectator. But if it was abolished tomorrow, I really don't think it would be too badly missed by committed fans. But as a target for the antis it actually serves a purpose as a bulwark to the rest of the sport. Let them wave their banners, glue themselves to rails, disrupt and derail to their hearts content. But at ALL costs, keep running it. For as long as we have the National, they are not turning up at Plumpton on a Monday afternoon.
The 'debate' isn't winning over the nut jobs is it. That is never going to happen. The disruptors are a tiny minority, but the way the world is now, if they shout loud enough they are given a voice on legitimate platforms. The biggest 'threat' really is that this type of mob get a lot of sympathy from the very authorities tasked with controlling them. And most definitely receive sympathetic treatment in the judicial system.
30 YEARS AGO WAS THE RACE THAT NEVER WAS, LETS HOPE ITS NOT THE SAME TOMORROW
They will be so easy to spot - just look for anybody not drunk by 430 (obv they don't drink alcohol anyway given its use of animals) and dressed up a bit too much in clothes that don't suit them gathering about 430. I'm ok with vegans protesting against horse racing (even if they seem to want all racehorses dead overnight!) as at leat they care enough to not eat meat. It's the meat eating vegans that hypocritically call for it to be gone that amuses me. Good luck with confronting a few thousand pissed up scousers!
And btw well den in working your anti muslim racism into this thread - incredible! Anybody with even the most rudimentary knowledge of abattoirs knows that far far worse goes on in some that is down to plain 'Christian' cruelty - is that ok?You are also being anti Semitic and anti orthodox and some far right Christians (go on read Leviticus) but I don't expect any of you to know or care for that matter. idiots
Scenes:
Lettuce munchers bouncing off perimeter fencing chased by the rozzaers
Lettuce munchers bouncing off perimeter fencing chased by the rozzaers
Give them all five years in the can!! I am sick of this bloody lunacy, nutjobs disrupting the greatest race on earth, kids not being safe inside our own schools, minorities trying to dictate to the massively overwhelming majority, and pop stars ( so-called men) baring their nasty fat bodies to all and sundry. Lock them all up!!
Scu struggling to speak on live tv, sounds like he's had a few!
Racing types like Fitzy and Chamberlain are utterly naive thinking they can break bread and educate these people.
Well done AP for saying just this!
Well done AP for saying just this!
Local Scousers involved they will Kick foook out of them 
Steerforth's post is well worth reading. We have to stand up for the Grand National and cheer it on, because it's a line of defence for horse racing in general. Keep the self-righteous and the ban-hungry protesting over the national, or else they'll move on to the rest of our sport.
It's why we should have defended hunting more loudly, whether we liked it or agreed with it or not. The important thing is not to concede the principle that a thing get banned if someone doesn't like it.
(It's also why we should have defended FOBTs, rather than deluded ourselves that horserace gambling is somehow different or worthier. Not to the self-righteous it's not, as we're now discovering.)
It's why we should have defended hunting more loudly, whether we liked it or agreed with it or not. The important thing is not to concede the principle that a thing get banned if someone doesn't like it.
(It's also why we should have defended FOBTs, rather than deluded ourselves that horserace gambling is somehow different or worthier. Not to the self-righteous it's not, as we're now discovering.)
Correct ELG! Those lunatics in pink will only ever stop when they are behind bars. Lentil eating tw@s, unable to comprehend how racehorses are looked after, cossetted, well fed and watered. The time has surely arrived to introduce really tough measures for all those activists who do nothing to contribute to society. Jail them all for years, jail their parents too!!
Just hope there's not an Emily Pankhurst wannabe lurking somewhere
whys that MJK..? would be a welcome sight if one of these wokey left brigade was no longer..
I'd have put the screens around the lentil eating tw@S!
Hey, take this bucket and throw water over horses head....... It will look good on the news clips later to placate the rebellion bunch.
Hey, take this bucket and throw water over horses head....... It will look good on the news clips later to placate the rebellion bunch.
Standard practice to try and cool the horses post-race. Ignorant people wouldn't know that of course.
Standard practice to try and cool the horses post-race. Ignorant people wouldn't know that of course.
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
They usually only put water on the neck and the hind quarters, if the jockey is still on the horse
Going to have put maximum of around 24 horses…… There is no point having horses that do not have a chance
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
As I said, ignorant people wouldn't know.
Here's Noble **** getting a bucket of water over his head/neck seconds after winning last year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRMxTVDOHo
As I said, ignorant people wouldn't know.
Here's Noble **** getting a bucket of water over his head/neck seconds after winning last year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRMxTVDOHo
WAIT. WHAT"S THIS?
It's 2021 Grand National winner Minella Times getting a well-deserved sponge and bucket of water aplied to neck/head shortly post race. Well done all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDR_OXfpNQ
It's 2021 Grand National winner Minella Times getting a well-deserved sponge and bucket of water aplied to neck/head shortly post race. Well done all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDR_OXfpNQ
They do the water every year now.
I remember Ballabriggs getting a proper drenching.
I remember Ballabriggs getting a proper drenching.
FLIPPING BLIMMING HECK !!
Here's 2019 winner Tiger Roll also being liberally "doused with water" around the head and neck by jockey Davy Russell too post race.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axhe_E37Y8g
Here's 2019 winner Tiger Roll also being liberally "doused with water" around the head and neck by jockey Davy Russell too post race.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axhe_E37Y8g
(just keeping Alun busy so not doing any damage elsewhere )
Correction : Just keeping Alan busy so he's not doing any damage elsewhere
Leopard, as you've decided to personalise this... to paraphrase the words of James Maxton on the occasion of the final rambling incoherent speech by Ramsay McDonald to Parliament :
"Give up man you're a bl00dy tragedy"
Good advice.
"Give up man you're a bl00dy tragedy"
Good advice.
I kept you busy though !
Translates as.... "Boo Hoo Hoo, Alun exposed my complete ignorance... take the horrid boy away".
Regards etc
Translates as.... "Boo Hoo Hoo, Alun exposed my complete ignorance... take the horrid boy away".
Regards etc
Just because I hadn't seen a jockey, throw a bucket of water straight over the head of a horse, it doesn't mean I am ignorant, it just means I have not seen that happen before ...... I don't think you should be calling forum members "ignorant" as that sounds a bit abusive..... You could use the word, un-informed ..... Would you like to change to that word?
Apr 15, 2023 -- 6:51PM, ashleigh wrote:
23 arrests so far.
And that's just the prossies
Alun, I take that back you did not use the word ignorant....... you just suggested that I had a degree of ignorance which is not the same thing..... I should have re-read it.......... I'm all for justice and fair-play...... You are an articulate and sometimes funny poster, but I think you should go easy on the anti-ethnic stuff.... Something may have happened to you when you were a child, which is colouring the way you view non-white people ..... Maybe some some psychoanalysis would help..... I charge £100 per hour, but could give you a discount to £80 per hour as a fellow forum member ? 
The race won’t last another 4-5 years….the unwashed will get stronger
Too much prize money for the race…..greed….dreadful scourge
Just get the ‘commodity’ in the race ffs……I doubt they are bereft for long when one dies,unlike dog owners…
The Leopard Joined: 05 Apr 06
Replies: 4665115 Apr 23 17:46
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
As others have pointed out this is standard practice - and has been for years.
Your ignorance( and cynical ) comment suggesting it was only done this year to placate the
equally ill informed protesters, confirms your biased view is based on untruths.
Replies: 4665115 Apr 23 17:46
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
As others have pointed out this is standard practice - and has been for years.
Your ignorance( and cynical ) comment suggesting it was only done this year to placate the
equally ill informed protesters, confirms your biased view is based on untruths.
Facts 16 Apr 23 10:07
The Leopard Joined: 05 Apr 06
Replies: 4665115 Apr 23 17:46
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
As others have pointed out this is standard practice - and has been for years.
Your ignorance( and cynical ) comment suggesting it was only done this year to placate the
equally ill informed protesters, confirms your biased view is based on untruths.
All in aid of the tv viewers……been to hundreds of meetings never seen as much water and it ain’t that warm….
The Leopard Joined: 05 Apr 06
Replies: 4665115 Apr 23 17:46
I've never seen them throw water over a horses head on the track
As others have pointed out this is standard practice - and has been for years.
Your ignorance( and cynical ) comment suggesting it was only done this year to placate the
equally ill informed protesters, confirms your biased view is based on untruths.
All in aid of the tv viewers……been to hundreds of meetings never seen as much water and it ain’t that warm….
Mark Dolan skewered Alex Lookwood (https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/about/staff/english/alexlockwood/) on GB News last night when he got him to admit that it was all about getting people to stop eating meat.
You don’t see many at an abattoir,and how many are slaughtered each day…..?
I hate people who eat plants. Don't they know cabbages have feelings too !
Incidentally alun quoting Jimmy Maxton means I've see it all now.
Incidentally alun quoting Jimmy Maxton means I've see it all now.
Apr 16, 2023 -- 9:18AM, acey deucy wrote:
Field numbers will be greatly reduced.(Nap)
yup
formoftherace
How many of the hundreds of meetings you attended contained a 4m + steeple chase ?
How many of the hundreds of meetings you attended contained a 4m + steeple chase ?
formoftherace
How many of the hundreds of meetings you attended contained a 4m + steeple chase ?
Since 1977…..a few !
How many of the hundreds of meetings you attended contained a 4m + steeple chase ?
Since 1977…..a few !
Most came back to a drink from the bucket and a quick sloosh over the top…..
Acey will know he worked in racing,much the same age…
Acey will know he worked in racing,much the same age…
I think ITV are bit over the top regarding welfare ….trying to impress the new kid on the block…..it doesn’t work imv
I have been to over thirty Scottish nationals….4 miles I think…..
It’s no use at all repeating the mantra of how horses are looked after……..those zealots won’t listen to that.Or,for that matter,how safe the sport now is.They actually wanted horses to die yesterday,so that they can launch another platform to move on with.
Exactly Big Mac said that years back and was slammed
https://twitter.com/ArchieleeNewel1/status/1648668492730707969
Ken Dodd and his tickling stick turned up
Ken Dodd and his tickling stick turned up
don't think any would've died if Animal Rebellion hadn't delayed the start of the race. scumbags, clearly do not care about the horses welfare.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/grand-national-horses-protest-ai...
She was very lucky
Nice bit of compo for that un but could have been far far worse.
Nice bit of compo for that un but could have been far far worse.
25 supporters of Animal Rising have made it onto the track at the Scottish Grand National, to put their bodies in the way of harm, and protect animals.
They're attempting to attach themselves to jumps and gates in order to cancel the big race.
This afternoon 8 year old Oscar Elite died on the very same track. We take action today with them in our hearts. A horse dies every other day in racing in the UK. We are here to protect horses by saying NO to this barbaric 'sport.' There are plenty of other things we can have fun doing on a Saturday afternoon that don't involve watching animals come to harm.
Last week at Aintree was just the beginning.
The Summer of Animal Rising is upon us.
Didn't last too long before said Trust fund jobless toshpots were sorted out
They're attempting to attach themselves to jumps and gates in order to cancel the big race.
This afternoon 8 year old Oscar Elite died on the very same track. We take action today with them in our hearts. A horse dies every other day in racing in the UK. We are here to protect horses by saying NO to this barbaric 'sport.' There are plenty of other things we can have fun doing on a Saturday afternoon that don't involve watching animals come to harm.
Last week at Aintree was just the beginning.
The Summer of Animal Rising is upon us.
Didn't last too long before said Trust fund jobless toshpots were sorted out
They should be handed a packet of Daz…..maybe some Brut
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