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By:
razz
When: 11 Jan 23 23:49
it's just such a lazy way of rebutting an argument, simply label something conspiracy theory, don't debate it, don't take in anything that might be true about them, just block them ALL out because conspiracies never happen in the magic fairy land some people live in. Rich and powerful people/companies conspiring with one another for their own gain.. IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!!!!!
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 00:02
The vaccinated only has the  "conspiracy theory" left to hang onto, if they read the data what's coming out right now they wouldn't sleep. Bluff is the only way now and hope they aren't the 1 in 800!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 00:31
9/11, Sandy Hook, The Moon Landing, what exactly are these?
By:
razz
When: 12 Jan 23 00:38
here comes the classic "some conspiracy theories are untrue narrative so they all must be" narrative. almost as weak as the initial label itself.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 00:51
Maybe I'm just unlucky but in past 6 months, two family and one friend have just collapsed and died like these athletes have Sad 28, 41, and 59  all healthy and fit individuals, needs looking into, something isn't right!!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 00:54
WWTT, assuming all were vaccinated? Did any of them actually have covid? Definitely some odd events.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:10
All three vaccinated, two out the three tested positive for covid but wasn't a big deal at the time(same signs as a cold), all three bouncing at the time they collapsed, one on way to swimming baths, one shopping with family and other visiting friends. Maybe it was just one of those million to one shots but reading peoples stories I know it's not!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 01:16
The question is does covid insidiously weaken the heart, is it the vaccine or a particular type of vaccine, were your 3 just terrible coincidences? Plenty will come out over time no doubt.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:23
Lots of questions and lots of answers but I fear with the silence from every top authority, it's not going to be good news. If covid weakened the heart then my heart should be weaker(had covid twice). Like I've wrote to various organisations who want to keep it quiet! I'm one of 9% who hasn't one jab, come and find us all because unless you were a hermit you would of got covid, test our hearts see if its the covid virus??? Not one respond, says it all.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:33
And like I pointed out to the silence brigade, had flu twice in my life, surely my heart should be **** by now!! We've always had viruses, how we still here if the virus fuc  ked our hearts!!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 01:35
My sister had covid badly and has scarred lungs which are still being monitored, she was classed as extremely vulnerable and had been jabbed right up. Who knows!
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:38
None of us know for sure but there's people who do, worst cover up in my lifetime imo.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 01:42
I'm open minded about some aspects but it's a helluva lot of people across the globe to be involved in a cover up.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:47
90% of population in uk had the jab, already got 90%, what has 10% ever done in history?
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 01:55
More than 10% of Greek/Roman/China empires didn't agree they didn't survive long.
By:
Life-Lucky
When: 12 Jan 23 08:07
Last time I shall look at this thread. It's shocking, saddening to see the vaxx still being defended in here despite all the evidence that its harmful.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 12 Jan 23 11:37
I don't think anyone doubts that there have been adverse reactions and deaths from the vaccines but the real question that only science and stats will show over time is how many lives did they save?
By:
saddo
When: 12 Jan 23 11:47
They will never know that, so can claim any number they like.
By:
JML
When: 12 Jan 23 12:15
Last time I shall look at this thread. It's shocking, saddening to see the vaxx still being defended in here despite all the evidence that its harmful.


Why don't you ahare ALL this evidence with us.You'll put the thread to bed with evidence.

One of the maim arguement by people against the lockdowns was that it was saving lives today at the cost of lives in the future.

These excess deaths of today are the ones that were predicted 30 months ago.
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 23 12:40
This thread is  very confusing - there being many more excess deaths is obviously to a bad thing but I'm struggling to work out what that has to do with covid. It is as a result of the mess the NHS is in - a mess that its been steadily reaching for the last 10 years as anyone that has used it over that time will tell. The vaccines obviously haven't caused the millions of deaths you lot thought/think as these figs show the increase is fairly uniform (type of death) across the board. What is the situation like in other countries as from what I've seen their health services are basically back to normal so why is the UK an outlier should be the question.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 12:59
^Excess deaths isn't just the UK so with your theory we can rule out the mess of the NHS.
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 12 Jan 23 13:02
Anyway will leave this thread now as we are no experts which is why there needs to be a public debate on the excess deaths to find the truth why they are happening but I won't hold my breath.
By:
saddo
When: 12 Jan 23 13:06
Haven't seen one debate on Covid, or man made climate change, and I probably never will at my age.
By:
Hibore
When: 12 Jan 23 13:59
Who thought all those years ago when David Icke appeared on Wogan that he would have so many followers 30 years later.
By:
formoftheace
When: 12 Jan 23 14:04
Ffs we all die…..bury or cremated  ? What do you fancy ffs
By:
formoftheace
When: 12 Jan 23 14:05
Heaven or hell….all punters go to hell….imv….
By:
saddo
When: 12 Jan 23 14:07
Do you think anyone questioning the efficacy and safety of this trial drug is an Icke supporter Hibore, seriously?
By:
mitolo
When: 12 Jan 23 14:26
another one. no they didnt
By:
JML
When: 12 Jan 23 15:14
Haven't seen one debate on Covid, or man made climate change,

When you think you've reached the limit on the stupidity of the comments on here you can always rely on saddo.
By:
Hibore
When: 12 Jan 23 15:17
Maybe Icke is a little too radical. I wonder how many people on here like me had wives, sons and daughters who worked during the pandemic in hospitals trying to save COVID patients. The NHS staff treating them feared for their own lives throughout that period and many were unfortunately lost. The vaccine was a game changer. The vast majority of people they were treating 9 months later were unvaccinated which is why the misinformation brigade needed to be controlled. That is why most governments had to step in as a duty of care. When one of your love ones rings you after finishing a shift crying because someone they have been treating is so unwell and asking for a jab now when it is too late because they listened to social media and decided against it. It’s very sad when their situation MAY have been very different.
By:
saddo
When: 12 Jan 23 15:17
Post a link to any covid debate with opposing protagonists on the BBC, big gob.
By:
spyker
When: 12 Jan 23 15:23
^Excess deaths isn't just the UK so with your theory we can rule out the mess of the NHS.


My understanding is that excess deaths in other countries has pretty much abated - please feel free to post figs that show different. Feel free to post all the deaths from the vaccines and all the pics of crematoriums etc being over crowded. Obv don't include the Chinese ones as they are full as a result of covid but don't let that bother you.
Other countries health services are doing fine, their economies have generally grown, we are the outlier. In fact other countries seem to have moved on from covid in pretty much every respect yet our gov goes on and on as if it explains all the woes. TBF though you lot seem to have fallen for it so I can see why they keep the nonsense up.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 12 Jan 23 15:36
Hibore, what is your definition of "unvaccinated"?

Anyone who hasn't had four jabs?
By:
JML
When: 12 Jan 23 15:40
^Excess deaths isn't just the UK so with your theory we can rule out the mess of the NHS.

Don't remember mentioning the NHS and it wasn't my theory.
It was put foward by Hitchen,Lord Sumption and a few conservative MP amongst many others.

Well educated,successful and respected people not the bedsit geniuses you prefer to listen to.

Why do think lockdowns in other countries would have a different result to this country?

The country that stands out as having a lot fewer excess deaths than us is Sweden which took a different route.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 12 Jan 23 15:43
When one of your love ones rings you after finishing a shift crying because someone they have been treating is so unwell and asking for a jab now when it is too late because they listened to social media and decided against it. It’s very sad when their situation MAY have been very different.

Number of times this happened?

Ages?

Co-morbidities?

Possible alternative causes?

autopsies in the absence of anything other than a clinical / dodgy PCR test diagnosis?
By:
saddo
When: 12 Jan 23 15:46
GEORGE.B 12 Jan 23 15:36 
Hibore, what is your definition of "unvaccinated

........................................



George, I think you are regarded as vaccinated if you had the first two jabs a couple of years ago, though I doubt that there'd be any protection from them after all this time.
By:
JML
When: 12 Jan 23 15:48
Get a grip george ffs you're getting embarrassing.

Don't remember you criticising you're beloved Andrew Bridgen yesterday for the use of the word Holocaust.

Are that sick that you find that exceptable.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 12 Jan 23 15:52
Thank you, saddo

So there is a time limit on it?
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 12 Jan 23 15:53
JML, what did he say exactly that was anti-Semitic?

No waffle please, exact quote only.
By:
duffy
When: 12 Jan 23 15:54
Cider 11 Jan 23 19:02 
duffy

many of the 'conspiracies' turned out to be correct. so you could call them predictions.

how about that the virus originated in a lab? which got you cancelled until sleepy Joe said that's what they actually think happened?

how about Fauci and his cronies conspiring to suppress/destroy/smear scientific voices against lockdowns?

how about the conspiracy that twatter was being paid by the authorities to cancel/throttle accounts that opposed the permitted covid narrative?

how about the conspiracy that the efficacy of covid vaccines were deliberately being oversold?

how about the conspiracy that the authorities would try and bring in vaccine passports?

how about the conspiracy that the authorities would bring in mandatory covid vaccination. Say hello to thousands of care workers that lost their jobs, praps not a conspiracy after all.


Ok, my question is.....WHY?
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