Conor Planas.....avoid ....

Have noticed that previous.  He didn't help the horse there at Yarmouth.  Jockey all over the place with whip in wrong hand at different stages.  Horse was still green but needed a much stronger rider to steer it in the right direction.

Temple Bruer 5.10 should win

15 winners from 96 rides    -11.10 pts at Industry Sp

In the 1st at Yarmouth today, if youve not seen it go and take a look. He settled the fav out the back then for some crazy reason rushed it around the outside of the field to force an already strong pace. Personally I think would have won if he had held on to it a lot longer than he did....very strange ride imo.

He's a 7lbs claimer. The 7lb allowance is there for a reason

Appears to have an appalling record when riding favourites ?.

Winners from rides stats always amaze me ! Always forget to mention the horses being ridden .

I know he is a 7lb claimer and totally understand the risks involved. Some apprentices are value for their claim but I am just highlighting that I dont think he is value.

Am sure he is a nice bloke but most certainly will struggle to breakthrough imo.

7lb claimers take time to learn their trade and need to be given that time before anyone jumps to conclusions.

TameTheTiger said hes had 96 rides. How many rides do you think he needs to learn  Sparrow?

good point !

He could’ve done 96 rides in 50 days. Most apprenticeships take years to learn and even longer to master.

You’re just another pocket talker moaning about another odds on loser. Don’t worry though, you aren’t alone!

TOTAL    15    96    16    13    19    10    £76,830    £142,929    -11.10


Quite acceptable figure for a 7lb claimer. 96 rides at 16% is ok as not all the rides would have been in with a chance.

We shall see if he makes it or not but just give the boy a chance is all I say.

s.kenbo.....you are not alone either...there are a few on here who reply with idiocy. Odds on loser???

Didn't Willie Carson say it took him a long time to break through?

I never had a bet on either...just observed some bad riding and commented on it.

Sparrow, i wish Connor well, i know all jockeys make mistakes but he will never carry any of my money unless I see a rapid improvement.

Never had a bet. PMSL.

Definitely struggling !

Was on the best horse there !

Some jockeys would have ridden a treble on them 3 today, that i have no doubt.

Pity I backed Temple Bruer,horse should have won,Dancingbrave is correct that Conor has still got to strengthen up,u often find that in young appys they lack the strength in sprint races to get go forward in the lat furlong

Yes Tangle, i agree it should have won. Tbh Connor looked good on the horse, uses the whip well and pushes horses in rhythm but his decision to rush forward on his ride in the 1st is unfathomable in my eyes. Hopefully he will learn by his mistakes but like I have previously said I will steer clear until I see some evidence of improvement.

Well done, Conor.

Well done, Conor. youve just finished dancing brave.

not enough rides to go on but on what I've seen planas not for me

usual trio of agent, trainers & media talking bs haven't a clue what they're looking at

Was weak on the turf at Yarmouth the other day,a/w suits better.

sparrow , they aren't given time to develop , the 7lbs is exploited at the lowest grade by tinpot trainers desperate for a winner at any costs.
The system needs revising soon

Hushwing.....You may recall even Hollie Doyle being slated on here as a 5 and 7lb claimer. As you rightly say these claimers need time but within that time they need to get experience riding against established jockeys.

The changes required by the system would possibly involve altering the handicap system.

Apologies for repeating the word system.

hollie far far better figs as apprentice than planas has so far

Have you got those figures at this stage of their careers to hand, wonders?

By the was I'm not convinced yet that Conor will make it but believe he should be given the time.

* by the way

oh they all deserve time sparrow its the bigging him up I don't like

yes will post figs give me a mo

would prefer to give from exact date from hollie turned pro but cant find that without a long look so from up to end of 2017
hollie 95 wins 854 rides exp 85.1 wax +9.9
planas 15 wins 101 rides exp 15.4 wax -0.4

hollie figs also v good 2018-2020 as pro

As I recall Hannon didn't give her too many chances and most of her early rides were from William Stone. Of course she has turned out an exceptional jockey so a little unfair to use her as a comparison to any apprentice.

Hollie Doyle's had at least 366 mounts for Hannon.

I feel pretty much any jockey would have won on that one today, it fairly hosed up. Its the ones that should have won that didn't due to jockey error and that's where I feel Connor is lacking inho.

penzance 31 Aug 22 17:46 
penzance 31 Aug 22 17:46 
Hollie Doyle's had at least 366 mounts for Hannon.






Really, I must be confusing them with another jockey and trainer.

Aug 31, 2022 -- 5:14PM, sparrow wrote:

As I recall Hannon didn't give her too many chances and most of her early rides were from William Stone. Of course she has turned out an exceptional jockey so a little unfair to use her as a comparison to any apprentice.

I didn't, just picking up from your 4.30pm post...and yes agree isn't fair to use hollie as a yardstick
my point was mainly that people were talking nonsense about hollie as apprentice & the planas hype is also total nonsense
as per the figs

Yes I think we can agree on that but the slating of apprentice jockeys happens just too much on here.

Sparrow i have lots of ideas for improving the system to help these youngsters become established jockeys.
Personally, I don't believe just altering the allowance is the best way to go .

Jockeys should have x amount of apprentice rides /wins before switching into normal races.
This would give them some time to develop with the help of coaches etc. How many times have we seen a gamble landed by a young lad on his first ride.

I also think the type of races in which allowances are applied should be updated. Maidens / novice races certainly should no longer be 'picked off' cheaply given there importance and, offsetting a
the penalty is surely against the point of the penalty.

Perhaps look at the grade of handicap claims can be taken . Stop them wasting 7lbs on banded nonsense.

Maybe limit external rides or alter the allowance for these rides

Am I in  your category Sparrow of slating apprentice jockeys???

Not really dancing but we all know the usual suspects.

Too many handicaps in my view hushwing and I would like see more claiming races and this I think would be less pressure on claiming jockeys. Just keep the claiming jockeys to the lower end handicaps where there are far more horses in training.

Conor Planas is a talented young apprentice and his problem stems from being snapped up by Tony Hinds 'winner factory' .
They couldn't care less about what's best for the lad or the type of rides booked. The quality of his rides and grades competing at is very poor and he's being managed very badly.

He’s a very tidy rider like most new kids coming through…..unlike a few so called…….

Nice ride there in the 1st Conor, well done

Well done to Conor....seems to have sorted out a few issues....nice double today for his followers

certainty to be champion apprentice. They made the right option of sending him to dubai for the winter getting himself polished up.

Billy was winning 0-50 selling classifieds for Gay

Bit better than the one waving for a taxi .

Did anyone see the glare Kirby gave him as they crossed the line.  "Not in the script that Conor what you playing at"

Skinny Kirby……undesirable…..in my humble opinion….

Mar 25, 2023 -- 5:35PM, __O1 wrote:

Did anyone see the glare Kirby gave him as they crossed the line.

Connections lumped on this I'm told by an owner who knows a connection.  No doubt Kirby knew this as well.

Cliques…..we are fodder nothing else……mushrooms as a certain person called us on YouTube

But always remember the IJF…..they need you….