--------------------------------------- The billionaire spends most of his time in Switzerland so he does not have to pay tax in Ireland Colin Coyle Sunday July 10 2022, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
When Shane Filan of Westlife emerged from bankruptcy nine years ago, it was to JP McManus, the Limerick businessman, that he turned for help.
The singer wanted to buy a âŹ780,000 house in Rosses Point, Co Sligo, but was struggling to secure a mortgage after going bust in the UK while owing âŹ23 million to Irish banks. McManus duly stepped in, providing Filan with a loan to buy the house.
Last week the singer was among the celebrities and golfers to take part in McManusâs pro-am charity event at Adare Manor, the billionaireâs hotel and golf club in Co Limerick where the Ryder Cup will be hosted in 2027. Among those lining up alongside Filan were the golfers Tiger Woods and Bryson DeChambeau and actors Bill Murray and Jamie Dornan.
McManusâs financial support for Filan was never publicised, emerging only after a search of Land Registry papers by The Sunday Times. Supporters of the businessman say that while some of his charitable endeavours are high profile â from offering disadvantaged students âŹ3 million in scholarships to bankrolling the Limerick hurling team â just as many are carried out discreetly. This is what encourages so many people to send begging letters directly to Martinstown, his 633-acre spread in rural Limerick.
Others take a more jaundiced view of the racehorse ownerâs munificence. In 2017, after The Sunday Times reported that US court documents showed that McManus had paid no tax in Ireland for two decades, Michael McDowell, a former justice minister, said he had pushed for the introduction of a levy on Irelandâs tax exiles while in office. âThe constitution says that âfidelity to the nation and loyalty to the state are fundamental political duties of all citizensââ, he noted pointedly.
McManus may be a local hero in Limerick but as a tax resident of Switzerland, where he owns a home near Geneva, he can spend only 183 days a year in Ireland. When he cancelled the 2015 pro-am, McManus blamed changes to tax exile rules by Revenue that meant every night he stayed at his Martinstown home counted for two days in the country.
In 2011 McManus was said to have been annoyed when a journalist asked about his tax status during a University of Limerick event. âI didnât leave the country in order to avoid paying a tax, or to avoid paying a future tax that was about to come down the line,â he said. âI paid my taxes and I set up a business abroad.â
He argued that he was being criticised for being successful. âIf I was somebody who set up a business abroad and it didnât go so well Iâd be considered an emigrant. If it goes well, Iâm considered an exile,â he said. âDo they want you to come back and try to support the local economy, try to earn some money abroad and then put it in the local economy? Thatâs what I like to do.â
Among those to rush to his defence was Willie OâDea, the Fianna Fail TD. âNot only does he give back in terms of the grants and donations . . . he also contributes hugely to the Irish economy through the economic activity and employment he has created and sustained here [in Limerick],â OâDea said.
âHe has created jobs here directly, over 600 of them, between the Adare Manor hotel and golf course and the Martinstown stud and countless more indirectly as a major owner of National Hunt racehorses.â Would it not be hypocritical for a country that thrives on foreign direct investment not to welcome McManusâs magnaminity, OâDea asked. âSo why single out an Irish person who has built up a thriving business abroad for spending and investing some of that money here?â he added.
Boutiques in Adare benefited from McManusâs largesse last week when it emerged he had given the partners of many of those participating in the golf challenge gift vouchers worth âŹ10,000 to be spent in local shops.
While none of those who participate in the pro-am are paid, not even the professionals, McManus lavishes them with generosity from the time they arrive in Ireland on the 30 private jets he charters.
Some of those who question his motivation whispered âsportswashingâ last week. Simon Chadwick, who lectures at Emlyon business school in France on the economy of sport, said that while the phrase was typically associated with regimes, it could be used to describe a rich person who becomes involved in sport to boost their image. âItâs effectively a diversionary tactic,â he said. âDonât look at this stuff about my tax affairs, look over here.â
Chadwick said McManusâs approach reminded him of Jim Ratcliffe, the British billionaire chairman of chemical giant Ineos, who has invested heavily in sport. Ratcliffe, who moved his tax residence to Monaco in 2020, bought cyclingâs Team Sky and Nice football club in France in 2019 before investing in the Mercedes Formula One team. At the time his chemical companyâs Middlesbrough plant was being criticised for causing air and water pollution.
âRatcliffe likes to portray himself as a true British patriot, so criticism of him moving to Monaco to avoid tax would certainly have stung,â Chadwick said.
The Adare pro-am said this weekend that it hoped to raise âŹ50 million for charity this year.
One participant who did not need to arrive by private jet last week was Michael OâLeary, the Ryanair chief, who lives in Co Westmeath. Unlike McManus, OâLeary is tax resident in Ireland. His annual tax bill was once put at âŹ14 million, meaning his tax returns would match the âŹ190 million raised by McManusâs pro-am in about 14 years. Unlike the Limerick man, though, he doesnât get to choose where the money is spent.
With his tax record - JP should really be running in the race for new leader of the Tory party.
If he and Jacob (Walter the Softie) had also entered - the candidate list would read like the HMRCs top 10 most wanted!
With his tax record - JP should really be running in the race for new leader of the Tory party.If he and Jacob (Walter the Softie) had also entered - the candidate list would read like the HMRCs top 10 most wanted!
This types of articles, especially from this outlet, often have this sneering tone of contempt.
There are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice. Obviously it's just on a different scale for these types of people.
It's quite unlikely OâLeary is especially benevolent, presumably he just prefers to remain as a resident of Ireland for work or lifestyle, and part of the bill is paying Irish tax.
Key take out of the piece for me is another likely abuse of the bankruptcy legislation. I'm not familiar with Irish rules, but it seems wrong if you owe multiple millions that you can get a loan of a chum for another million, before your debts have been settled.
This types of articles, especially from this outlet, often have this sneering tone of contempt.There are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice. Obviously it's just on a different scale for these types of people.It's quite unlikely O
Cider10 Jul 22 12:53Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 48,743 | Blogger: Cider's blog There are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice.
It's not supposed to be a choice and for most people it isn't a choice or optional.
Cider10 Jul 22 12:53Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 48,743 | Blogger: Cider's blogThere are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice. It's not supposed to be a choice and for most people it isn't a choice or optional.
If you are a billionaire, you have more options, that is all. A lot more. However he can't live in Ireland permanently and pay no tax, no matter how much money or influence he has.
For example I use salary sacrifice for my pension contributions for one reason. To pay less tax.
If you are a billionaire, you have more options, that is all. A lot more. However he can't live in Ireland permanently and pay no tax, no matter how much money or influence he has. For example I use salary sacrifice for my pension contributions for o
Agreed Cider - but that is a conscious choice people make - to choose to (legally) abuse or game the bankruptcy laws is the same imo as to (legally) abuse or game the tax system in order to avoid paying taxes.
Sadly if you just boil it down to "Laws", be it Bankruptcy Law or Tax Law, people can avoid their dues and their obligations, because the law/justice can be bought.
The "justice" system is broken in exactly the same way as the tax system is broken. The tax and justice system are closely linked but they are both areas where having more money shouldn't give you more options.
The tax system is broken in exactly the same way that the "justice" system is broken.
Money (being able to pay for teams of top lawyers) shouldn't get you a different outcome in the judicial system any more than being able to afford top teams of lawyers/accountants should get you a different outcome in the tax system.
Some things have to be exactly the same for everybody (imo) or else they are completely flawed.
Agreed Cider - but that is a conscious choice people make - to choose to (legally) abuse or game the bankruptcy laws is the same imo as to (legally) abuse or game the tax system in order to avoid paying taxes.Sadly if you just boil it down to "Laws",
They are similar, although with bankruptcy there are tangible victims. It could be as simple as your local painter and decorator, not just big banks.
I guess my critique here was not Filan himself for using the workaround, but that the workaround exists. I have no problem with someone advocating for tighter rules, eg less time allowed in Ireland for non residents. However this article is attacking JP personally. A thinly veiled attack, but an attack nonetheless.
They are similar, although with bankruptcy there are tangible victims. It could be as simple as your local painter and decorator, not just big banks.I guess my critique here was not Filan himself for using the workaround, but that the workaround exis
Agree - the "victims" are more tangible when bankruptcy laws are (legally) gamed - but (legally) gaming tax laws has many more victims, even if they are much less tangible.
Agree also, that the article is attacking JP personally - but even the Sunday Times doesn't have enough space to name all of the people (the great and the good) that are at it!
So while you can still buy "justice" - naming and shaming is probably the only way forward until somebody bases new tax laws on some sort of moral/honest obligation/principle.
Agree - the "victims" are more tangible when bankruptcy laws are (legally) gamed - but (legally) gaming tax laws has many more victims, even if they are much less tangible.Agree also, that the article is attacking JP personally - but even the Sunday
Never mind the self employed local painter and decorator who we all know are able to cheat the system but what about the people shackled to the PAYE system? Only fair way is for everyone to be on PAYE but we know it will never be allowed to happen because of the sheer greed of those that who care nothing about their responsibility to society.
Never mind the self employed local painter and decorator who we all know are able to cheat the system but what about the people shackled to the PAYE system? Only fair way is for everyone to be on PAYE but we know it will never be allowed to happen b
That's not correct. If JP has determined that he doesn't want to pay Irish taxes, then he won't pay Irish taxes. There's no victim. Presumably he'd just not return to Ireland at all. Obviously if he evaded obligations, then that would be different, but there's no suggestion that is happening.
That's not correct. If JP has determined that he doesn't want to pay Irish taxes, then he won't pay Irish taxes. There's no victim. Presumably he'd just not return to Ireland at all. Obviously if he evaded obligations, then that would be different, b
I do appreciate it's pretty much impossible to write law that can't be bent/abused or circumnavigated by the greedy, the devious or the people that just don't believe in society - but in really naive terms it just needs to be along the lines where it effectively just states "always do the right thing in the spirit of these laws at the prescribed rate" - Super naive, but you get the point.
Beyond that, there is nothing stopping govts or "society" from "punishing" the abusers/avoiders if the law is unable to do so. I don't mean a lynch-mob! - but people can be boycotted, shunned, ostracized (in the true sense of the word) etc.
I do appreciate it's pretty much impossible to write law that can't be bent/abused or circumnavigated by the greedy, the devious or the people that just don't believe in society - but in really naive terms it just needs to be along the lines where it
Oh dear, try running your own business for 2 years and tell us all how you did. You may pay slightly less income tax on the same gross income but you get no sick pay, no unemployment benefits, no company perks or pensions, you pay your own NI rather than have half paid by the employer etc. Ireland has benefitted hugely from inward investment and designs its taxes to encourage more.
Oh dear, try running your own business for 2 years and tell us all how you did. You may pay slightly less income tax on the same gross income but you get no sick pay, no unemployment benefits, no company perks or pensions, you pay your own NI rather
It's not devious or greedy, it's just sensible choices. As I alluded to, people can and lobby for changes to legislation that they perceive as unfair. It's probably unfair that a household of ÂŁ99K combined annual income can claim child benefit in the UK. But they can, and they do. That's not devious or greedy either, it's sensible.
It's not devious or greedy, it's just sensible choices. As I alluded to, people can and lobby for changes to legislation that they perceive as unfair. It's probably unfair that a household of ÂŁ99K combined annual income can claim child benefit in th
carrot196010 Jul 22 14:17Joined: 05 Feb 08 | Topic/replies: 16,164 | Blogger: carrot1960's blog J P might not pay his personal taxes there but he shows put a hell of a lot of money into and back into the country
So a Robin Hood type of character? Except he steals from everybody (including the the poor), to give to.... whoever he chooses.
carrot196010 Jul 22 14:17Joined: 05 Feb 08 | Topic/replies: 16,164 | Blogger: carrot1960's blogJ P might not pay his personal taxes there but he shows put a hell of a lot of money into and back into the countrySo a Robin Hood type of character? Exce
Thereâs nothing safe about being a small time self employed worker, Sparrow. It might be great for the âbig bigsâ , but most of us arenât in that league. Iâd hazard a guess and say the tax I save through being self-employed, wouldnât even equate to four weeks holiday pay.
The likes of you who whinge and moan about it, usually stick to one job for life. Nice and safe, and know exactly how much money will be going in your bank each week. Imagine having to go out there and continuously find work for yourself?
As Sageform says, no holiday pay, no sick pay, no benefits of employment at all. I can add no pay when itâs raining, or no pay when itâs freezing cold for me to that list too. No Union either, which is 1.01 you were a part of!
We should be applauded, not sniped at by people who wouldnât take a chance in life.
Thereâs nothing safe about being a small time self employed worker, Sparrow. It might be great for the âbig bigsâ , but most of us arenât in that league. Iâd hazard a guess and say the tax I save through being self-employed, wouldnât even