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huge tax breaks for owners and breeders in Ireland
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So every working man in Ireland pays more tax into the kitty than JP does. All perfectly legal, but still a mockery of the whole system.
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Just the same as in the UK with the working man paying a greater proportion of his income through the PAYE tax system.
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With his tax record - JP should really be running in the race for new leader of the Tory party.
If he and Jacob (Walter the Softie) had also entered - the candidate list would read like the HMRCs top 10 most wanted! ![]() ![]() |
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As well as Walter the Softie, Stephen Marchant does an excellent lookey likey for Rees-Mogg.
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John Magnier and Dermot Desmond are also tax exiles
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This types of articles, especially from this outlet, often have this sneering tone of contempt.
There are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice. Obviously it's just on a different scale for these types of people. It's quite unlikely OâLeary is especially benevolent, presumably he just prefers to remain as a resident of Ireland for work or lifestyle, and part of the bill is paying Irish tax. Key take out of the piece for me is another likely abuse of the bankruptcy legislation. I'm not familiar with Irish rules, but it seems wrong if you owe multiple millions that you can get a loan of a chum for another million, before your debts have been settled. |
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Cider10 Jul 22 12:53Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 48,743 | Blogger: Cider's blog
There are very few, if any people who pay extra tax out of choice. It's not supposed to be a choice and for most people it isn't a choice or optional. |
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Agree with you about the bankruptcy though - if abused, it's just another way of avoiding paying your way or your dues.
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If you are a billionaire, you have more options, that is all. A lot more. However he can't live in Ireland permanently and pay no tax, no matter how much money or influence he has.
For example I use salary sacrifice for my pension contributions for one reason. To pay less tax. |
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TM, the UK rules around bankruptcy are so soft, it's absurd. It's so easy to stitch up your creditors, and start again with a clean slate.
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It's so easy to stitch up your creditors, and start again with a clean slate.
same in the US - Trump for example |
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Agreed Cider - but that is a conscious choice people make - to choose to (legally) abuse or game the bankruptcy laws is the same imo as to (legally) abuse or game the tax system in order to avoid paying taxes.
Sadly if you just boil it down to "Laws", be it Bankruptcy Law or Tax Law, people can avoid their dues and their obligations, because the law/justice can be bought. The "justice" system is broken in exactly the same way as the tax system is broken. The tax and justice system are closely linked but they are both areas where having more money shouldn't give you more options. The tax system is broken in exactly the same way that the "justice" system is broken. Money (being able to pay for teams of top lawyers) shouldn't get you a different outcome in the judicial system any more than being able to afford top teams of lawyers/accountants should get you a different outcome in the tax system. Some things have to be exactly the same for everybody (imo) or else they are completely flawed. |
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They are similar, although with bankruptcy there are tangible victims. It could be as simple as your local painter and decorator, not just big banks.
I guess my critique here was not Filan himself for using the workaround, but that the workaround exists. I have no problem with someone advocating for tighter rules, eg less time allowed in Ireland for non residents. However this article is attacking JP personally. A thinly veiled attack, but an attack nonetheless. |
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Agree - the "victims" are more tangible when bankruptcy laws are (legally) gamed - but (legally) gaming tax laws has many more victims, even if they are much less tangible.
Agree also, that the article is attacking JP personally - but even the Sunday Times doesn't have enough space to name all of the people (the great and the good) that are at it! So while you can still buy "justice" - naming and shaming is probably the only way forward until somebody bases new tax laws on some sort of moral/honest obligation/principle. |
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Never mind the self employed local painter and decorator who we all know are able to cheat the system but what about the people shackled to the PAYE system? Only fair way is for everyone to be on PAYE but we know it will never be allowed to happen because of the sheer greed of those that who care nothing about their responsibility to society.
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That's not correct. If JP has determined that he doesn't want to pay Irish taxes, then he won't pay Irish taxes. There's no victim. Presumably he'd just not return to Ireland at all. Obviously if he evaded obligations, then that would be different, but there's no suggestion that is happening.
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I do appreciate it's pretty much impossible to write law that can't be bent/abused or circumnavigated by the greedy, the devious or the people that just don't believe in society - but in really naive terms it just needs to be along the lines where it effectively just states "always do the right thing in the spirit of these laws at the prescribed rate" - Super naive, but you get the point.
Beyond that, there is nothing stopping govts or "society" from "punishing" the abusers/avoiders if the law is unable to do so. I don't mean a lynch-mob! - but people can be boycotted, shunned, ostracized (in the true sense of the word) etc. |
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J P might not pay his personal taxes there but he shows put a hell of a lot of money into and back into the country
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you're only a citizen in name if you spend at least half the time out of the country and don't pay taxes - more of a visitor
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Oh dear, try running your own business for 2 years and tell us all how you did. You may pay slightly less income tax on the same gross income but you get no sick pay, no unemployment benefits, no company perks or pensions, you pay your own NI rather than have half paid by the employer etc. Ireland has benefitted hugely from inward investment and designs its taxes to encourage more.
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It's not devious or greedy, it's just sensible choices. As I alluded to, people can and lobby for changes to legislation that they perceive as unfair. It's probably unfair that a household of ÂŁ99K combined annual income can claim child benefit in the UK. But they can, and they do. That's not devious or greedy either, it's sensible.
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carrot196010 Jul 22 14:17Joined: 05 Feb 08 | Topic/replies: 16,164 | Blogger: carrot1960's blog
J P might not pay his personal taxes there but he shows put a hell of a lot of money into and back into the country So a Robin Hood type of character? Except he steals from everybody (including the the poor), to give to.... whoever he chooses. |
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J P might not pay his personal taxes there but he shows put a hell of a lot of money into and back into the country
as much as if he were paying tax? |
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From not paying his taxes to not running his horses on merit the guy is basically a cheat
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Thereâs nothing safe about being a small time self employed worker, Sparrow. It might be great for the âbig bigsâ , but most of us arenât in that league. Iâd hazard a guess and say the tax I save through being self-employed, wouldnât even equate to four weeks holiday pay.
The likes of you who whinge and moan about it, usually stick to one job for life. Nice and safe, and know exactly how much money will be going in your bank each week. Imagine having to go out there and continuously find work for yourself? As Sageform says, no holiday pay, no sick pay, no benefits of employment at all. I can add no pay when itâs raining, or no pay when itâs freezing cold for me to that list too. No Union either, which is 1.01 you were a part of! We should be applauded, not sniped at by people who wouldnât take a chance in life. |