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agreed. Very, very good. the first season was truly educational. We all think we know the lot about all of this but that series taught me lots.
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Cheers op ill give this a watch, apart from sport the tv is utter garbage, i only just finished watching World at War again always learn and see things you missed on previous viewings.
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It is brilliantly done. The BBC for all their faults do history documentaries better than anyone else in my opinion. The likes of Simon Schama's History of Britain or Michael Wood's The Story of China are also excellent viewing. The one I would recommend above all others is The Death of Yugoslavia, a superb insight into the Balkans War.
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Interesting book on the rise of the Nazis by Professor Anthony C Sutton
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: The Astonishing True Story of the American Financiers Who Bankrolled the Nazis 'The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities...Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Naziism, but for its own purposes aided Naziism wherever possible (and profitable) - with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States'. Penetrating a cloak of falsehood, deception and duplicity, Professor Antony C. Sutton reveals one of the most remarkable but unreported facts of the Second World War: that key Wall Street banks and American businesses supported Hitler's rise to power by financing and trading with Nazi Germany. Carefully tracing this closely guarded secret through original documents and eyewitness accounts, Sutton comes to the unsavoury conclusion that the catastrophic Second World War was extremely profitable for a select group of financial insiders. He presents a thoroughly documented account of the role played by J.P. Morgan, T.W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, the Ford Motor Company, and scores of others in helping to prepare the bloodiest, most destructive war in history. This classic study, first published in 1976 - the third volume of a trilogy - is reproduced here in its original form. The other volumes in the series study the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia and the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wall-Street-Rise-Hitler-Astonishing/dp/1905570279 |
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Cheers duffy. Will have a look.
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Wonder how the UK would've ended up if old Adolf had won
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My old uncle used to say, "we'd have been better off under the Nazis."
his comment didn't always go down well at the British Legion club though ![]() |
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A great book on the fall of the Nazi's is 'Promise me you'll kill yourself' by Florian Huber
It focusses on what defeat meant to the ordinary German...and the mass suicides that came with it. Bodies were constantly flowing down rivers or found hanging in trees or with their heads shot off. Mothers in their thousands had to drown their own kids before killing themselves...many succeded in killing their children but couldnt kill themselves and had to live with that fact. |
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Harrowing that last line dusty.
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The germans I feel for are those that actively opposed the nazis and their monstrous policies.
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the history channel is awash with nazis. no end to programmes about adolf. might be an idea to make a few more about the disaster that is communism. and they are still at it.
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most of those women killed themselves after being raped by the red army or to save themselves from it. it was a brutal whirlwind of murder of civilians and millions raped.
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I Find that truely amazing Leif,have never heard that before.Absolutely terrible behaviour from those banks and large companies ,hard to comprehend. Also staggering that the whole thing was less than 80 years ago.The only saving grace is that when one dispicable,loathsome figure appears on the world stage there are good people about to remedy the situation
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JJmbe, Monarch. The DoY is a fantastic programme but requires concentration to view it as it is quite dense and the subject matter is fiendishly complicated. I watched it "live" as it were and recall finding it on Youtube a few years back. May be worth checking.
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Cheers DP,one for when the mrs is out.
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JJmbe/Donegal - Yes, The Death of Yugoslavia requires plenty of close concentration. I think mainly because it was made right at the end of the conflict, and includes interviews with many of the main protagonists of the time (Milosevic etc), some of whom went on to face trail for war crimes.
JJmbe - Its all on Youtube. Link to episode 1 below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE&list=PLdw7wnKe0wiUSNdugFGpnSfm6wt-9gvUt |
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Thanks duffy. Really enjoyed this. Highly recommended.
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I think a lot of the stories are made up.
The victors write the history books. No nation can be as evil as they're made out to be. Although there's one who posts on here I wouldn't trust holding my balls. |
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Season 3 "The Downfall" starts tomorrow
9.00 BBC2 |
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Hitllers Gold on Sky history download is a absolutley amazind documenratry about how he came to power and how he financed it with the help of huge companys which still trade today,German and American.
Amazingly Ford motor co kept production going in Germany till Hitler declared war on the U.S in 1941 and then Ford actually claimed and got war reparations from the U.S govt for bombing their factorys after the war ended. |
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Never understood the fascination for delving more into a regime that killed millions. What they did couldn't have been more wrong. Why would you need to know anything more than that?
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Multiple reasons^
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I also wonder about a few of these comments and why this would be discussed on a Horse Racing Forum.
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A lot more interesting than some of the sh1te put on here on a daily basis sparrow.
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I mean you can blame betfair for shutting down chit chat for a start.
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nothing interesting about it or dopey.
more pertinent would be a prgramme about the catastrophe of socialism and the appalling starvation slaughter and misery it has wrought on humanity. the nazis were a long time ago but the legacy of the ussr endures and the ccp north korea vietnam cuba venezuela vietnam are still at it. |
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If you were interested in these documentary then I can recommend the BBC4 documentary " The US and the holocaust which has been on over the last few weeks, 2 hours long and some harrowing viewing but it's filled in gaps in my knowledge about why the US was slow to help the allies and the involvement of people like Charles Lyndbergh the Air pioneer and his America first group, also BBC2s documentary last night "How the Holocaust began" was very interesting showing how local people took part in the murder of all the Jewish people in Lithuania, Poland etc as his army marched towards Russia, a tough night's viewing.
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Last night's BBC2 programme was particularly chilling. Frightening to think that so many Jews were killed by their fellow countrymen. At that time the extermination camps had not been invented
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Another on the subject on BBC4 tonight at 10.
Storyville - Three Minutes: A Lengthening Three minutes of footage, filmed in 1938, is all that remains of the Jewish community of Nasielsk, Poland. Storyville unravels the tales hidden within the celluloid. |
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I wouldn';t give Hitler and his gangsters the oxygen of publicity.
Never fought anyone in his life. Little chit. He ran messages during the Great War, nothing else. It says it all about the tiny, minute, pitiful mentality of this vicious man that he felt compelled to top himself rather than face his crimes. |
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The end of the US and the Holocaust doc last night showed how history can repeat itself showing the storming of the building at the end of the Trump era with many of his white supremist supporters wearing swasikas on their T Shirts whilst he followed a policy of America First etc, of course there was ethnic cleansing in old Yugoslavia but we all thought it could never happen again!
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I watched the documentary on Vivian Westwood last week…..they were wearing swastikas in England late 70s early 80s.
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leifs post 21 st june 15.54 just confirms what we already knew ,money is much more important than lives to those who have so much of it but they still want more !
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Mitolo makes some valid points. I just looked up 'what is Cambodia famous for'. No mention of the man who killed a quarter of the population less than 50 years ago.
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I don;t make assumptions about what was know or not known about the Nazis before the war actually started. As soon as he got his foot in the door in '33 Germany started breaking and dismantling the Versailles treaty. Nobody paid heed or listened. As we know today business, trade and finance doesn't just stop because there is "a war on".
Nobody bar Hitler, his gangsters and weak-kneed appeasers were responsible for the 2nd World war, whatever anyone says, and thus all the consequences. And that is the bottom line. |
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why didnt god halt these world wars?
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The victors write the history books.
It's entertaining stuff, but how accurate is it? |