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Rides the race again and he wins with the same start!
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I don't buy the unlucky bit for Frankie's horse,granted he got a bad start but with the slow pace he was upsides Tuesday and going easy turning into the straight. You can see Frankie is a length ahead when they level up to the camera . Tuesday came from just as far back and got unbalanced as she went up the camber to join Frankie who had no such problems as his horse had a smooth straight run up the stands side. Being the youngest horse in the race today I would expect Tuesday to confirm her superiority over these in the future.
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He was in front a few yards before the line and after it. Obviously that's just pure luck which horse has the head down at the point they pass the line.
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^ Correct.
Some utterly ludicrous comments on here !! |
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Yeah absolutely
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Don't rewatch races too often, but wanted a double check on this one.
The favourite lost about four lengths on the winner out of the stalls. Yes, she got back on terms quickly, but it wasn't ideal to use up energy to do so. If there was plan I doubt it was to be in the last two. The race was lost when the winner quickened early in the straight and nicked 3-4 lengths with Dettori sitting still. Had he made a similar move I don't think there is much doubt he would have won, probably with something in hand. You can never guarantee to win on the bob, and that's all Dettori had left once he failed to respond to Moore's early move. Perhaps bad luck at the start, but he ended up being outridden and perhaps it isn't a coincidence that Moore is having a very good season, and Dettori isn't? |
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I've watched it a few more times now the stumble obv does not help but when the fav comes with his run in the final furlong it looks like its the winner Frankie over the years does not make many mistakes especially in classics looks like he was just unlucky today by a whisker if the whisker had gone the other way we would all have been saying what a marvel Frankie is anyway its all about opinions
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He got there in time dd, the winner did well after being played early, as you stated. If you knew that Tuesday would stay on so strongly after going half a mile up in trip, you might press the button earlier. But he didn't know that. The only fair assessment is to judge the situation at the time it was taken, not after the outcome.
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Nice analysis i guess the race only starts from the final furlong. Wise
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He got there only if you think winning on the nod is 'getting there'. For me that is just turning it into a flip of a coin. I can't buy that he was sitting still because he thought the winner was a non stayer. He just didn't react quick enough. Had he done so it wouldn't have been reduced to a game of chance.
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How about the obvious. He had to make a lot of ground up after missing the start. He wanted to therefore hold on to her in case she had less left than normal for her finish, watching others in the process hoping they didn't have that much for the finish so he could make her fuel last to the line in front.
It turned out one horse in the race couldn’t be given a seven length start by her. |
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Also she was amzing in the finish he couldn’t have hoped for more yet lost.
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Gosden will be furious away from the cameras. He knows Vettori c*cked up when Palace Pier was beaten by Baaeed. He held on when he should have gone for it earlier than he did. This injudicious ride is a carbon copy.
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'The Riders In The Stand!'
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I'm not saying he thought the winner was a non stayer, I'm saying he didn't know it was a strong stayer and he knew that his mount missed the kick and wanted to hold back as long as was feasible (presumably, since this is a new trip for his mount too). Anyone can analyse a race in the knowledge of what happened and say this or that should have happened, but the jockey is playing the odds in the moment. In my view he was entitled to feel that Ryan had used enough gas early on, but Tuesday is obviously a very useful horse too, and kept on strongly.
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, Banjo Patterson if you're curious.
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Time to retire age catches upon us all a younger Frankie would surely have got that home.
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Some great analysis of something pretty simple here.
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IMO it's akin to the ride Greville Starkey gave to Dancing Brave to get him beat in the 1986 Derby, where the horse was capable but the jockey incompetent.
Difference being Frankie hit the front but Starkey didn't. No comparison between the two rides in my view. |
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akin to Dancing Brave.? You have to laugh. A load of absolute cod.
Move the line a metre either way and he wins. As for him leading Moore where did that happen? Both jockeys deserve credit for riding out two top class fillies without ever resorting to severe whip encouragement. |
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The start was a negative for sure, but if Dettori rides the filly out strenuously, with several Lester style staccato cracks of the whip, she wins by half a length.
Not so much an awful ride all round, as he rode text book after the start to get her into a winning position, but what a lame, weak final half furlong. it's almost as if he was going for the picture book finish of trying to win 'cosily' on the line while keeping something up his sleeve. |
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Well said Honcho
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Honcho still talking drivel,
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I have to agree with OP. Terrible ride from Frankie.
Slow pace so the missed start made no difference. He obviously didn't see Ryan kick on and held on to his filly far too long. He thought he had everything covered. He was cruising and asked her far too late. |
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not sure the near side rail was the usual golden highway and moore may have been on the slightly better ground a few widths off it
as ive said in another post recent evidence shows frankie has lost that strength in close finishes |
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how anyone can blame frankie is totally beyound me
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Dettori has been woeful in a finish for a long time now. It's one of those odd things that Dettori because of his popularity rarely gets criticised. If the shoe had been on the other foot and Moore had got that beat he would have been crucified for weeks. The simple facts are it was a classic and Emily Upjohn should have won easily. One man got it beat.
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I think backers of Emily Upjohn (I was one) are a bit harsh to blame Dettori; the horse slipped at the off, and lost many lengths crucially to her main protagonists; the winner secured a better position than her. Had the position been reversed Emily Upjohn would have won, I believe, despite the slip; the Group 1 horse and her superior position were just sufficient to win her the race on the day.
However, the better horse was undoubtedly Emily John NOT Tuesday. I hope for a rematch in the Irish Oaks on 16th July; plenty of time to recover for both and good prep for The Arc in Oct. Round 2 please, connections. The Epsom result was inconclusive for sure to ascertain the best filly over 12f. |
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There's only one Oaks. Moore gets busy 3f out while Dettori is still showboating. Even a hand ride would have made sure, but motionless for best part of a furlong. Over confidence the difference imo.
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I backed the favourite and thought it had won.
But I wouldn't be so quick to back the second to reverse the placing should they meet again. IMO the best horse won on the day after it had showed the better turn of foot to go clear. Had Moore held on to her a little longer, who's to say she wouldn't have won better? The Italian's horse wasn't quite good enough on the day. |
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If you accept the ground she lost at the start cost her the race she is just unlucky, nobody to blame.
If you believe Dettori 'fell asleep' when Moore quickened up, then he has ridden a shocker. I wonder which version the media will go with? |
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watch the opening show. it shows an overhead shot which confirms Emily was in front and Tuesday had a better turn of foot.
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She was in front, no, she was in front, no she was, etc. For me the stumble decided the result. Dettori wanted to sit 3rd or 4th but ended up last. And who knows what the filly stretched in the process.
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When its ancient history, Dettori may admit he could have done better. But it will be a long wait. Maybe never
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https://youtu.be/Bse556g7vAA
Watched this video replay and it appears to show EU in front of Tuesday by a length around the 2:18 then camera switches to head on and Tuesday is like over 2l clear. Which is strange as AO says she got there in two strides on extended rtv highlights on YT. Watching the rtv replay it doesn't look the same,Head on is much earlier. Was looking for a head on of the start to see what happened, almost like the horse had tried to get rid of rider, almost a plant, both front legs together half a stride after gates open,strange to see horse being lifted into stride after gates open.But camera angle of start is very poor. At end of day best horse won imo ,EU found trouble at bottom of hill too, was very wide and Moore came over to keep dettori on softer ground. EU never really lengthened, but not sure if she was really asked too, slightly awkward throughout and could be a reason, maybe ground maybe summit else but would like to see head on of start, was odd. |
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bit grumpy in the interview there
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Is the girl in blue Thady's tart?
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Gosden just said on RTV that he thinks Frankie didn't see Ryan go
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The clown Dettori didn't see Moore go, then panicked realising a race he thought was in the bag was then under major threat and lost a race he SHOULD have won. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a muppet IMO.
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