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George's 2022 / 23 Juvenile Hurdler Selection Thread
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Well done sageform, you said there'd be another win in him.
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Depending what the handicapper does there should be at least one more on the flat. He went from an also ran to trotting up in 100 yards today once he was shown daylight.
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I am sticking with Scriptwriter today George. Do you have any dark ones to recommend?
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Sheena missed a trick by running him this week - off a mark of 53, on what he showed there, he'd have been a good thing in this valuable race at Bath on Good Friday:
TO CLOSE BY NOON ON APRIL 1ST Total prize fund £26000 Distributed in accordance with Stakes and Prize Money Code £13608 to the winning horse The second to receive £6385, the third £3190, the fourth £1596 and the fifth £795 for four yrs old and upwards, Rated 46-55 (also open to such horses rated 56 and 57; such horses rated 45 and below are also eligible - see Standard Conditions) ONE MILE THREE FURLONGS abt 137 YARDS (11f abt 137yds) |
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Good point TheAnorak but a long time to wait. He will win the Fred Winter or whatever they call it if he gets in.
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sageform, no, I didn't have any qualifiers running.
Anorak, good spot, I'm sure Sheena will be on the phone Monday, pleading with the handicapper for a 3 or 4lb rise  |
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Puntastic, 1pt EW @ 16-1, 1.22 Punchestown
I've a couple of qualifiers in this handicap for 4YOs, Action Motion, who did the thread a big favour when winning at Cork last time at decent odds having been weak in the market, and Puntastic, who gets the vote today at the prices. I had a "mark-up" run on the Flat on soft ground for Puntastic last April over 10f at Redcar, when he was one of three to pull clear in a race from which the other two principals would go on to frank the form. Puntastic only had one further start for Jedd O'Keeffe, when he wasn't entirely disgraced on better ground over 11f at Hamilton. It's likely he was badly in need of his first start over hurdles for Paul Nolan having been absent for over five months, and he hasn't shaped too badly in two further qualifying runs in big fields at Navan and Leopardstown. Hopefully the switch to a handicap offers a more realistic opportunity. Planet Legend, 1pt win @ 12-1, 1.40 Huntingdon Ghasham, 1pt win @ 8-1, 1.40 Huntingdon I've a couple of qualifiers in the this juvenile hurdle and I'm going to go a point win on each. Planet Legend had been running well on the Flat off marks in the 70s for James Ferguson, prior to switching to Dr Richard Newland for a hurdling campaign. There was a late market move for him on his hurdling debut in a Class 2 Introductory Hurdle at Sandown early in December, but unfortunately for his backers he got as far as the first flight where he unseated his rider. He didn't hurdle well again on his latest start at Wetherby, where he ended up beaten 28 lengths, but given he might also not have been on the best part of the track around the inner, he probably shaped better than the bare result. It could be a safe round of jumping today will be the priority with an eye on handicaps further down the line, but better ground may help and he has the Flat ability to be competitive here. Ghasham was a 10f maiden winner at Cork on easy ground for Joseph O'Brien, and it looked a good effort off a mark of 86 on his final start in Ireland at Ballinrobe in July (9.5f, g-y) when finishing third. His first two starts for Ian Williams on the Flat were poor, but he didn't shape too badly on his hurdles debut at Ludlow (soft) last month, despite finishing only 6th of the 8 runners, beaten just under nine lengths. The form received a boost when the third came out and finished a respectable fourth in the Grade 2 juvenile hurdle at Cheltenham on Saturday. He left the impression at Ludlow that he might want a stiffer test over hurdles, which would be a concern today, particularly on better ground, but as he seems to be steadily finding his form for his new yard, he gets a vote, with that initial hurdling experience behind him and hopefully the addition of cheekpieces proving beneficial. |
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You've moved the market -Puntastic now generally 8s and 17/2 and Planet Legend 7s.
However "they know" about Ghasham -out to 11s. GL |
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Good Luck today George I don't have much of a view on either of those races but wonder if the Jeff Smith horse, Tropical Talent might be the one at Huntingdon being by Nathaniel.
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I won the match bet but neither look much good.
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W/D with Planet Legend George, you'll be getting an email form your bookie for taking 12/1! Ghasham provides further evidence that buying horses from J P O'Brien is a very risky business - he's proving to be a very shrewd judge of when to sell and is high on my list of trainers to avoid at the sales.
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Apologies George you won the match bet. I was watching Ghasham. Tropical talent might win a small race with more experience.
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Thanks Manoleeds, Anorak and sageform.
Puntastic was caught 4-wide for most of the journey but did keep on quite well in the closing stages to close on the principals. It was pointed out in the paddock observations on RTV that he's not the biggest, but there might be a small race in him over hurdles when things pan out more favourably. Planet Legend, who was generally a 12s-shot earlier this morning, was well backed and ran out a comfortable winner, albeit helped by the evens favourite compromising his chance by nearly losing his jockey at the first flight. Ghasham, who was very weak in the betting, made the running until before 3-out but was soon left behind. He did plug on and it's looking like he's going to need a stiffer test over hurdles, but as The Anorak points out, he still has to prove that he has trained on for his new yard. Running P/L: +31.15 |
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WD George
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Cheers DG
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Rare Middleton, 1pt EW @ 13-2, 1.50 Kempton
I just have the one qualifier in this Grade 2 Adonis Hurdle. Rare Middleton had shaped with plenty of promise when finishing second of 24 in a 10f maiden at the Curragh (yielding) in September, when never too far away and having led a furlong out, was only headed close home by a subsequent premier handicap winner, and fared best of the newcomers. The 10f maiden he then won at Leopardstown (y-s) was a slowly-run affair with the first six home covered by just 1.5 lengths, so as he appeared to stay the 10f well on his debut, it was probably to his credit that he managed to win when the pace scenario might not have suited. Rare Middleton was subsequently sold for 215,000 gns and got the job done at short-odds on his hurdling debut for Paul Nicholls at Taunton (soft) where he travelled nicely throughout and hurdled fine in the main before winning with more in hand than the winning distance of under a length would suggest. This is likely to be the quickest ground he has raced on and faces some experienced and useful rivals, but the limitations of this scopey sort have yet to be exposed and he looks an interesting contender. |
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Rare Middleton impressed the paddock watchers but was easy enough to back. He travelled nicely if a little keen and wide, but couldn't go with the first two where it mattered and had to settle for third place. I think he still has potential to do better so it will be interesting to see where they go next with him.
Running P/L: +31.55 |
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wd George. I did back it place only but Scriptwriter was my choice and he was too bad to be true.
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Ghasham, 1pt EW @ 16-1, 4.45 Ludlow
Ghasham ended his time with Joseph O'Brien by running respectably off a mark of 86 in a 9.5f handicap at Ballinrobe in July. His five runs (two Flat, three hurdles) so far for Ian Williams have been poor, so he needs to prove that he has trained on for his new yard, but he is out of a Montjeu mare and he did hint in his first two hurdling starts that he may be worth trying over further. He steps up 5f in trip for his handicap debut in this sphere and his opening mark of 100 would look very workable when compared to what he seemed capable of on the level, but obviously he does have a bit to prove now. However, a chance is taken at the odds in the hope that the combination of handicapping and longer trips can show him in a better light under this code. |
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One came out so it was 2 places only each-way, not that it mattered as Ghasham, who held every chance in the home straight, didn't see the trip out as well as his elders and had to settle for fourth place.
Running P/L: +29.55 |
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Not many 4yos win off their handicap mark against older horses which is why Mr Freedom did well to win recently. Ever hopeful.
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The biggest winner on last year's thread was Gavin at 33-1 (and bigger at Betfair SP), who won a handicap hurdle against his elders at Uttoxeter from 5lb out of the handicap.
Maybe the 2m5f is a big ask for a 4YO at this time of year against their elders. No matter, if I have a qualifier at a price and I think a case can be made for it, I'll be selecting it. |
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Of course you have to stick to your policy. I don't think that the quality of 3/4yos going hurdling is what it used to be as the AW and overseas buyers are too tempting.
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Play By The Rules, 1pt EW @ 28-1, 5.05 Taunton (4 PLACES)
Play By The Rules ran well on occasions for Jim Bolger in Ireland without managing to win, and he was a selection on this thread when he made his hurdles debut at Exeter where he didn't shape too badly in finishing third in albeit what was a steadily-run 5 runner contest. The form has worked out fairly well with the winner having gone in again under a penalty (and runs in the Fred Winter tomorrow), while the runner-up has won twice subsequently. Play By The Rules has run twice since for a mark, at Wetherby when finishing mid-div on ground that might have been soft enough (which admittedly could be a concern today), and last time at Doncaster on good ground when finishing well-held having not jumped with fluency. He now goes handicapping, steps up in trip to 2m3f and has cheekpieces applied for the first time. He's been weak enough in the betting this morning but hopefully handicaps can offer him more realistic opportunities, and judging from his Flat form, an opening mark of 93 should be workable. |
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Well done Sir!
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WD George
TOP BOMBING |
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WD George. Only 4yo in the race.
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Nice one George.
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Very well done! - the step up in trip & the cheek pieces seemed to help!
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Thank you for donating George - Top man
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Well done George ....saw the 28's had long gone approaching race time..
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Cheers guys.
When he started to wander between the last two, I got a bit concerned he might become another of those famous Taunton run-outs, but thankfully he managed to stay on the course. I could have done with this one on my ill-fated 100 pts challenge thread, but no, I decided I would keep the juvenile hurdler picks separate. Good luck at Cheltenham. 15p Rule 4 Running P/L: +58.11 pts DG - I evidently got some good karma for that |
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I told ya!!
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Action Motion, 1pt EW @ 100-1, 4.50 Cheltenham (6 PLACES)
I said on my other thread that I only had the one qualifier running in this, but having had a proper look, it's actually two. One of them is McTigue, who doesn't look to face an easy take under top weight, especially just 10 days on from a poor run at Kelso, albeit that came in a valuable handicap against his elders. Which leaves me with Action Motion, who I noted in a 12f low grade handicap at Dundalk in October (when trained by Andy Oliver), when he probably shaped better than the bare result and that he'd be worth a try over further. As it turned out, he then joined Denis Hogan for a hurdling campaign and having shaped with plenty of promise at Cork when finishing 7th of 20 (and behind Sir Allen & Ludus), he did the thread a big favour when winning back there and turning over a long odds-on shot trained by Willie Mullins; the 3rd and 4th have won since (including Gordons Aura who also runs here). Action Motion was a bit disappointing on his latest start (when again finishing behind Ludus) when making his handicap debut at Punchestown, where he didn't finish his race off on the front foot. It seemed a steadily-run affair, so maybe he wasn't seen to best effect. He obviously has a bit to prove after that and is ridden today by an inexperienced amateur (albeit a promising one), but the ground shouldn't been an issue and he's not totally exposed yet under this code. |
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WD GB
How did i miss that one   |
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Still have a silly e/w Mr Freedom. He has run a lot which some might not like but... Last 3 runs.
Low grade AW flat run over 12 furlongs. Won easily. Handicap at Warwick off 117. Held up and came through a wall of horses at the last to win going away. Handicap at Doncaster off 120. Third to Whizz Kid beaten a head and a neck despite a mistake at the last and a very short run in. Would have won easily in another 100 yards. He is up a pound to 121 today and a fast run competitive race is what he wants imo. There won't be many coming past him from the last if he is still in contention. Cheekpieces first time today  Of the others, Sundial looks intriguing. |
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Totally gutted to be fifth after Robbie Dunne nearly fell off on the final bend. Best of the British horses and should have been closer.
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Brilliant Profit George, still the best..
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Well done with the two places, sageform
Billy, after your fantastic day, you are now officially the HR forum's number one. |
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Action Motion was sent off at massive odds and lived up to market expectations.
Running P/L: +56.11 pts |