Tom Dascombe leaving Manor House stables.

Allegedly Owen wanted name adding to licence, was told to fook right off

Rumours going around the stables will be filled up with Greyhounds and MO taking out a licence.

It's a complete shock' - Tom Dascombe stunned as Michael Owen ends partnership

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/tom-dascombe-and-michael-owen-
to-end-successful-partnership-in-the-new-year/527494

Is it fair to say that Andrew Black has tended to have his horses trained in other yards in recent times?

"Colin Gorman and the rest of the MHS team will naturally oversee things once Tom departs and it will be very much business as usual until we appoint Tom's replacement."

Are Betfair opening a market on who it will be?

There is a name comes to mind, an up and coming young trainer who's been doing quite well, and who has had horses sent to him by a fairly well known owner connected to MHS.

A tenuous link perhaps, but David Loughnane has been training horses for David Lowe (of Kachy fame). He's had a good year, a Royal Ascot winner and Group 2 winner in Ireland.

Currently trains around 40 miles from MHS.

Is it a job that anyone would really want?

That is a bit of a shock mind you i always thought Owen was a sneaky little bashtard.

Tbf, Dascombe was there for a while.

Just read that Loughnane was a pupil assistant to Dascombe at MHS, so that probably explains the DL connection.

Tom is his own man. He turned things around for Owen soon after arriving at MHS and has trained plenty of winners since. Wherever he goes next expect more of the same. Shrewd!

As for Owen? Time will tell.......................................?

Kingscote knew

Harsh decision. Does MO somehow think he should be plundering group races with his string?

any trainer who is effectively an employee is on thin ice. I happen to think that Dascombe is a good trainer but if he does not own or rent the yard he is subject to the same judgement as any other employee.

Shows you the character of Owen that he ended up at Manure as his swansong as a footie player after stealing a living at the toon on ridiculous wages - a deal that almost bankrupted the club and allowed the FCB  to impose 14 years of hell upon us

The fact he is on those redic adverts wiv Harry for Victor just adds to the mans glorious cv

I always thought he was a decent Trainer and am sure he will come through this.

hes done you a favour. mismanaged poofball clubs are the only ones foreign crooks and despots are able to buy. man city were a disaster, hence the relatively cheap acquisition by the camel-herders. they can spend as much as they like, as money means nothing and a team that was a perennial failure is suddenly a powerhouse. likewise chelsea. abramovich wanted manure but couldnt get it.

so being a badly-run club is an advantage, unfortunately. its entirely possible newcastle will be the next city, and winning the league. they dont deserve it, but money is everything. even blackburn flew high for a while on the back of what was then big money, but aint now, and they have now crashed. i dont begrudge the geezer though. it was his childhood club and he spent money he had made himself(unlike the vermin involved now who have the keys to the treasury and spend the nations wealth on their personal projects. nauseating) theyd rather buy liverpool, but know thats impossible, so newcastle become a vehicle for their 'sportswashing'. and the dopey geordies will go along with it.

meanwhile, back in the steaming sh1thole that is saudi, dozens of people are beheaded in public. s.a. was a pariah for decades, despite being a beacon of liberty by comparison.

the germans dont foreigners to buy the clubs. nor should we. one of the reasons i gave up with poofball

er. s.a refers to south africa. i is a bit fick

I daren't ask, has he posted on the right fred?

entirely possible......  fffs

they are 100 times richer than than the other 12 top teams in the world right now


why do you think the big "4" big "6" are still crying about the take over

Every toon fan in the land will tekk anutha season in championship b4 kicking on

I hope the new signings realise it's Champions league or off with yer 'ed.

so newcastle become a vehicle for their 'sportswashing'. and the dopey geordies will go along with it.

but you did ask

i hav given up on the 21st century black plague threads George


a bit back from me chemo sesh today George but we all wore our face nappies  et al

George

we will luv to be hated

luv it

I wish you well with the treatment sessions, s2tr. Good luck.

tar

Where would Dascombe be now if he hadn't gone to MHS?

Made his name with 2YOs I seem to recall. He could have owned his own stables by now.

I'm getting bad karma vibes over this. Hope he does well when he goes it alone.

i would venture he comes out of this better than MO = Just a gut reaction but Dascombe will be alright imo

I wish Geordie fans would get their petted lips up from off the ground.  That would be a start to moving on to better things.  It made me laugh when Shearer slated Owen for "not putting in the sprints" for Newcastle when he had previously admitted on radio, in interview, before he became a more regular feature on the box than Ant and Dec, that latterly he had had to change his game too.  In my opinion it was own his lack of effort that got Bobby Robson the bullet!

Idiot.

I regard any rabid tory hard brexiteer farmer as an idiot....in spades.

No explanation for the comment though. 
Like every pro footballer, Owen was a pro who sold his services to the highest bidder.
Unlike Freddie Shepherd who laughed at Newcastle fans for buying grossly over-priced club wear etc;
Now tell me - who is the bigger villain?

Sounds like Andrew Black was the main problem Dascombe not sucking his d1ck hard enough.

Dascombe was getting angry about things he had no business getting angry about.

that andrew black sky interview on twitter is pretty toxic

link, please?

not sure how to do it george.

go to twitter,then, at the races,then its about 3 or 4 down

here is one off attheraces not sure it is the same one as sky chav
https://twitter.com/AtTheRaces/status/1472516433192132611

thats the one mate

cheers

So if Black is "effectively" leaving too, presumably there is more to Dascombe leaving than just Black's 'cold' association with Dascombe.

all very murky and the timing of it most strange

He never wanted to play for Newcastle as was sicknote until his deal ended and never put in a shift when he did play.Funny how when he came back he got booed not like Ferdinand etc
Have no time for dacombe anyway and Owen either but at least the koplike Owen.

Black said: "We had a lot of fairly hefty arguments in the early times and I was surprised we were having those arguments. They were about Tom's contract, management of certain horses and I suppose my perception of Tom changed pretty quickly.

"I was never complacent with Tom after those early years, which is a shame as Michael was always fine with him. I couldn't quite forgive him.

"I wanted to make changes to MHS and I wasn't able to. Tom said he was surprised [on Thursday] but my last conversation with him about the business ended with him saying something like, 'You'll just have to sack me then'.

"It was a short conversation and to me he's not flexible, he wants to do things his own way and it caused us to fall out a bit."

In the past few years Black has slowly stepped back from the business and now has plans to sell his share to Owen, partly due to the problems of the past few years but also as he wants his horses trained closer to his base in London.

Black said: "We're doing our own thing now, and I want a closer relationship with our own horses. If things had been different I still wouldn't have wanted the relationship as much as I had to start with.

"We'll continue to have a relationship with Manor House but it won't be anything like as full on as the one we had before. My involvement with racing won't change, I'll have relationships with slightly different trainers and we're interested in doing slightly more in Epsom. There's a bit of change coming there, it's a positive story and it works for us as it's local.

"The truth is, ultimately, I'm not in a good place with Tom at the moment but the fact is he's trained very well for me. We've had a lot of winners and some at Group level and at Royal Ascot. We had some good days but we are where we are and I think Manor House can emerge strongly from this."......Fair play to Dascombe for not taking no sh1t from this guy.

Michael Owen has previous when it comes to ruthless action, ask his former builder - oh no, I can't can I, he's dead!

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/builder-in-dispute-with-michael-owen-found-dead-567693.html

I like Dascombe's resurrection of the "I started with nothing and I still have most of it left" quote. Good luck to him. The long history of "private" trainers is littered with acrimony, failure and deceit.

In hindsight Tom probably wishes he had just gone it alone instead of going in there. Being a private trainer might work when its some middle eastern sheikh or royalty but some 2 bob footballer and a Web designer was hardly going to see him consistently contesting top races

- and now - Michael Owen has been invited to join the Jockey Club !

Link did not reproduce

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/michael-owen-among-new-intake-of-jock...

Has Joe 90 fooked off yet ?

Michael Owen once won sports personality of the year just shows anything is possible if you get the timings right

biggest mystery I think is how he once won the Ballon D'Or

He was a pacy, good finisher but massively over rated after France 98

he imo is second to only Danny Murphy as most boring pundit that has ever been so the personality of the year is a miracle

When he tipped for the racing paper his record was shocking...would have loved to be his bookie

Hugo Palmer

Takes the biscuit

Cheshire isn't posh enough for him, won't last 18 months.

surely hugo palmer has more sense.

..... Crumbs.!

know someone who shared a table at york races with him, they said the most boring guy you could ever meet

.... Should get on fine with Owen then. !!

Few on here would run him close

George b defo take him to a photo finish

Hugo Palmer confirmed as the new trainer at manor farm stables, taking most of his owners with him, hopes to be up and running by the start of the new flat season. seems hugo happy to be a salaried trainer,rather than chasing after bad payers.

T Dascombe looking for a yard to train, wonder if he might end up going the other way and buy or rent Kremlin Cottage Stables.

Doesn't time fly, one season virtually over already.

What are the stats boys saying, a change for the better or worse, or pretty much as you were?

Basis Stats - from RcingPost

First Column = Wins ... Third Column = %

This Season = 6 %

Last 5 Sasons = 13 %


YEAR    WINS    RUNS    %    2ND    3RD    4TH    TOTAL EARNINGS    £1 STAKE
2022    6    102    6    14    22    11    £185,310    -63.88
2021    60    447    13    53    50    45    £846,998    -73.61
2020    41    387    11    45    46    47    £466,656    -55.66
2019    67    457    15    66    50    54    £1,145,875    -57.88
2018    77    494    16    66    66    62    £1,019,662    +132.24
2017    59    506    12    59    51    53    £576,550    -158.52
2016    75    569    13    62    58    63    £796,757    +14.80
2015    45    424    11    56    42    35    £570,286    -85.69
2014    62    487    13    56    73    59    £693,229    -158.58
2013    56    378    15    60    54    36    £517,568    -137.92
2012    79    465    17    62    47    53    £604,503    -74.95
2011    51    456    11    53    49    45    £466,291    -58.07
2010    36    375    10    27    43    40    £308,801    -121.97
2009    58    428    14    54    43    46    £425,293    -111.08
2008    42    223    19    35    22    11    £312,677    -23.45
2007    26    134    19    14    14    9    £135,089    +38.64
2006    10    69    14    10    6    3    £69,448    +22.88
2005    0    2    0    1    0    1    £1,106    -2.00

the Hugo Palmer 2021/22 stat is the relevant one, 39 from 371 at 11%, i.e. absolutely ZERO improvement.

Thanks for the stats / analysis, onlooker & swiftynifty

I suppose they'll say Hugo will take a season or two to get used to the gallops / facilities?

- or - Owen.