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AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CRUEL THE BENEFIT SYSTEM(UNIVERSAL CREDIT) IS
AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CRUEL THE BENEFIT SYSTEM(UNIVERSAL CREDIT) IS
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Lloyd George followed the example of Germany, which under conservative Chancellor Otto von Bismarck had provided compulsory national insurance against sickness from 1884. After visiting Germany in 1908, Lloyd George said in his 1909 Budget speech that Britain should aim to be "putting ourselves in this field on a level with Germany; we should not emulate them only in armaments."
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mitolo - i think you might be a hypocrite with shall we say "selective" values - you don't think your future son in law
 should be entitled to any support from the state (and might well be all the things you describe) - but I bet you aren't sending back or planning to send back all the child benefit you have received for your daughter, your state pension, your free tv licence, your winter fuel payment, your free bus pass, etc, etc, etc. You say you don't like socialism (I'm not a huge fan of much of it myself) - but you're up for a bit of it (selectively) if you are on the receiving end. |
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sparrow - when yer man introduced it, it was administered locally and most crucially the insurance premiums that were paid in, were invested and ring-fenced for the rare occasions when a pay-out was required - it was sustainable a) because the money paid-in was used for the money to be paid out b) very few people (relatively speaking) actually got a pay out at all or if they did it wasn't for very long.
i.e. Yer man didn't run it as a Ponzi scheme, use a magic money tree or kick it down the road for some poor sods (that probably haven't been born yet) to sort out. |
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tbh - the history is irrelevant and I wouldn't be 100% certain my posts are 100% accurate - but you must get the gist of it - it's not fair and it's not sustainable.
Have a look at the private sector - google - pension fund deficit - some FTSE 100 companies are into a black hole for billions and billions of pounds. The actuaries and CEO's whose watch it happened on - they're on a beach in Barbados or in some cases at least had their ashes scattered there!  |
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Obviously all of those schemes have been scaled way back and shut to new members (for all the reasons I have outlined) - if you don't think the same isn't on the way for state pensions you are just burying your head in the sand or doing an "I'm alright Jack!" - that's fine but as a statement it's in direct conflict with claiming to be a socialist!
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over my body. i dont think an able-bodied fit male in norf london should be subsidised to sit around smoking weed. the poor dear dreams of being an actor.
benefits have nothing to do with socialism. you dont get any in cuba and nor did you in the ussr. |
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When he wins an Oscar perhaps you will get a mention in his acceptance speech for grassing him up anonymously and helping him to focus on his career. You probably knew deep down at the time that it was a noble act and you were doing it for his own good.
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mitolo - it seems we are in violent agreement that socialism doesn't work, so presumably we are also in violent agreement that communism doesn't work either (Although you shouldn't knock Cuba - everybody drives a classic car and smokes big cigars!).
But seriously - My issue is that you seem so utterly closed to those concepts that you couldn't even consider what aspects of those philosophies/values/economic policies might have a place in a system that works well. |
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gobbledygook. your assumption is spectacularly wrong.
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You mean those aren't classic cars they're all driving in Cuba?
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Nobody will admit it, but virtually all the problems facing the UK today can be traced back to the mass immigration of unvetted, unchecked, economic migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East.
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Too many woke teachers who don't believe in discipline or competition would be my answer to why we have so many in need of benefits while there are 1.25 million job vacancies.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGUMQZUgU
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Thanks a lot for that Layemall!
Those two were a huge loss to the teaching profession - and for very little upside to the world of light entertainment - a very regrettable coincidence from my point of view.  |
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State Pension taxable so the Treasury receive 20% (or more) back. Universal Credit not taxable. Is this reflected in the earlier figures?
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If you are ill, disabled or have recently lost your job , being made to jump through hoops to get a feeble amount is not acceptable.
If you are young and fit, with huge job vacancies, you should be made to work 40 hours doing menial work for the council for your money. A large % would be unable to fulfil such a requirement due to prior engagements(also known a cash work) and the remainder would surprise themselves and take a job they now found acceptable. It would slash the bill over night. |
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Correct swift but doesn't go down well with the human rights act
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yes ladycarla, 'uman rights, minimum wage etc, sadly forbids what the vast majority would find acceptable.
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If you just forced them all to deliver parcels and pizzas that would be a near perfect fit with those 1.25 million job vacancies (
 )that people keep banging on about - two birds, one stone, jobs a good un!Well obviously the jobs only a good un if - you can drive, you own your own vehicle, you want a zero hours contract with a very low rate of pay, a flat rate of pay no matter how many (or which) hours you work, not knowing how many hours you will get, no paid holiday, no sick pay, no pension, no prospects. Applicants with experience of playing "knock door run" are obviously given priority. If you've got a mortgage, children or just simply live in real world it's probably not for you, so anyone looking for a real job is probably fecked. |