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High Definition a non runner in the Derby....drifting like a barge?
High Definition a non runner in the Derby....drifting like a barge?
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Nothing to pity AP backers for , it's all about paying your money and taking your chance.
Bolshoi Ballet backers won't be subject to any rule 4 , that's the AP game like it or loathe it. |
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One winner, many losers.
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10am its highly possible he runs more than one must be tempting with the big prices now you should never ever trust what they say to the press
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hayden this really isnt about ante post racing really, its about " bullshit from obrien"
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FOOK ME LUCKY WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL 8 RUNNING 72 HRS AGO
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My response was to someone who posted that they have pity for AP players.
Like someone said earlier though when you have a witch hunt people start interpreting comments into things they want to hear rather than factual. |
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FROM NOWhere from most open derby in years we could be having an odds on shot
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Why would anyone want a fast pace for who a horse who has quickened smartly over 10f on quick ground and never run over 12f?
That's the point isn't it. HD would have wanted a stamina test. The potential banana skin for the jolly is unproven stamina at the trip, or at least in theory he won't benefit from a major stamina test when other runners might. If the race was run to suit HD (the MO for the yard is to guarantee a fast run derby) it would be a negative for the fav. |
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Definition still 8/1 with Hills, what a shower.
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Definition still 8/1 with Hills, what a shower.
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disgrace , judge
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All the comments O'Brien and Moore make pre and post race are purely for the breeding catalogues - every horse is 'a lovely type', and has 'lots of speed', 'great temp[arement' etc, etc blah, blah, blah - can't believe anyone still hangs on the comments to form an opinion.
 Fastish ground around Epsom was always going to be against HD - waiting for the Curragh seems a perfectly sensible racing decision in my opinion. |
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Fastish ground at epsom was always gonna be looking at weeks forecast & waiting for irish derby does make sense but why give all this rubbish talk listening to him on luck on Sunday track will suit fine considering the fast pace & all six could run all hogwash should be a poltican!
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It’s simple....
the man is a liar. |
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Unfortunately it appears that way Pilsudski
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Its too early for HD around Epsom. Good choice
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Interview with John Hunt was like treading on eggshells. When asked about the about change O'Brien seemed really flustered, and typically Hunt didn't bother with a follow up question. Very poor, but no surprise.
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O'BRAIN strikes again
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Talking about ap books had a look at the shops ap bets only yesterday for the oaks and derby that is if I could find them, sad to say not one single ap bet for either race.
hope you are all well regards Ronnie. |
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It's the modern era though Ronnie isn't it , the vast majority of fresh faced punters in the betting industry think 5 furlongs is too long to wait to see if you've won anything , never mind 3 months.
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Hayden
sad to say you are correct about fast fixes, sad to say last Saturday took more in the fobts on Saturday than otc at 2100 all 4 fobts were in use, had to kick them out at 2200. have a good day regards Ronnie. |
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Report•Quote•Block Userronnie rails • June 3, 2021 1:25 PM BST
Talking about ap books had a look at the shops ap bets only yesterday for the oaks and derby that is if I could find them, sad to say not one single ap bet for either race. hope you are all well regards Ronnie. and tomorrow on tv , "we.ll lose millions if both the favs win, weve layed them at 50s and 100s in the winter " etc etc |
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Elisjohn
I am sure a few of the old timers on here can remember when the life a couple of days before the derby would produce the firms ap ledger it was always a good read. regards Ronnie. |
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Well said Elisjohn , 7.18pm. Very few notice these things. Just as no-one seems to have noticed by withdrawing their other runners Coolmore massively increases the chance of either winning the Derby themselves or a Frankel winning it. They never ran anything against him when he was running now they are not running against his offspring. Being by Galileo it is a win win for them.
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Frankel doing the business is not a "win-win" for Coolmore. They don't stand him, they have no divine right to access him and the fact he's a son of Galileo means nothing as the old man is a year or two short of pipe and slippers. O'Brien, who never declares wind-ops, couldn't wait to get w1 next to the first batch of Frankels he had. It was a standing joke. Whatever conspiracy theory you may have, doing Juddmonte a favour can't possibly be one.
And as far not running anything against him: At 2 2nd in the Dewhurst At 3 2nd fav in the Guineas 2nd in the St James' Palace They then bought the horse that got closest to him! At 4: 2nd Lockinge 2nd Queen Anne 2 pacers and St Nick in the International Coolmore go hunting down these champions, same way they did STS, cos it looks bloody good in the catalogue if they can fluke one. |
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I will leave the with you TH.
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Whatever
BTW, Mill Reef would have won the rematch. |
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He never turned up, they knew!
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Market Suspended
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brigust did Timeform ever get back to you after the dozens of letters you wrote to them complaining about Frankel's rating?
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Hi AT. I tried to send you a full answer to your question but it was blanked. Without mentioning names I only wrote once on 7/7/12 which was passed on then I wrote in the 13/7/12. They have always claimed I was chasing them but that is totally untrue. I still have copies of the emails and replies. I cannot add any details because it gets blanked.
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That got through. Lets try this. I wrote to JL first who passed it on to SR who replied. I completely disagreed with the response, it was ridiculous and had no basis in fact. Ever since then they have rubbished me saying I have been chasing them which is totally untrue. I have written nothing to them since 13/7/12.
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On 4/1/17 I responded to comments made about me by SR on twitter, I warned him to stop making them, he agreed then he blocked me. That is the sum total of me dealings with Tf.
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Must admit I was a Brigadier fan. Never seen one better and guess I never will.
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Thank you Barstool. You are absolutely correct. He is the greatest racehorse ever and I have yet to see a fact that says otherwise.
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HD was never going to run unless the fav had to be wd.
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brigust1
I had backed My Swallow all that winter, thinking he was unbeatable and looking forward to a big pay day. I could not believe my eyes when The Brigadier stormed past both My Swallow and Mill Reef, he made them look tired horses. Back then I would usually have sulked at my losses, instead I was overwhelmed in admiration for the winner knowing I had witnessed something special. |
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This rain may have helped High Def's chances no end. He looks a stayer.
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Bar, in the yard that was the one horse we were convinced we could beat. MS had beaten Swing Easy 3.5 lengths over 7f and BG, next time out beat the same horse the same distance over 6 furlongs and I have the photo finish print it was easily 5 lengths. We asked Tree's travelling head lad if Swing Easy had run to form against MS and he told us he was a sprinter through and through. After MS won the Criterion and Mill Reef won the Dewhurst we got 12s BG. I still have the AP ticket.
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Here's hoping Bolshoi hates the soft - f*******ng serves them right.
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