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By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 22:39
heres my call on all things real


i got bowel cancer 2015

nhs treated me(plenty missed in btwn) - i came out the otha side

in 2018 i got sepsis - nearly killed me - but i telt evry1 on me room that Tiger Roll was a gud thing

in late 2020 i got a terminal diagnosis  and yar nar wot i still love me music LoveLoveLoveLove

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88sARuFu-tc


gotta laugh at some of these comments sorry
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 22:51
who knows leif but god bless ya when you need their help
By:
blackbarn
When: 27 May 21 22:52
Life must be a hoot in the Leif household, with him being such an expert. He even understands the concept of systemic traumas and the nature of its root causes. Didn't he used to be on the chit chat forum?
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 27 May 21 22:53
I agree with blackbarn.
By:
leif
When: 27 May 21 22:57
Don't believe in any of these so called gods smirnoff and wont be rushing for any help other than a route to a quick cremation if all else fails.

no chit chat forum history sorry barnsie.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 22:57
he supports tobymug at evry opportunity so is clearly on the wind up CryCryCry
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 27 May 21 22:58
Just watched BBC news at ten, no mention of this story. Just read it, sad for the family as she seemed to have a good future ahead of her Sad
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 23:01
leif heres a little history ..... me mother was religion daft -one of the reasons i hated her -strong words but true - its a saying nowt more nowt else ShockedShockedShocked
By:
leif
When: 27 May 21 23:03
he supports tobymug at evry opportunity so is clearly on the wind up

nope. anything better. or less pathetic numbnuts?
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 23:05
LaughLaughLaugh

the bite will do
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 27 May 21 23:06
Laugh
By:
leif
When: 27 May 21 23:08
like one of those cookie-cutter sharks you smirnoff

bite at a time every night 365 a year Sad
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 23:08
10-4 mayfair LaughLaughLaugh
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 23:10
tiger whats a cookie cutter GrinGrinGrin
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 27 May 21 23:15
Happy

You have leif in the keep net shearer, don't be too hard on him as there maybe a decent sort in there somewhere, maybe!
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 27 May 21 23:20
i will giv him a bit simple minds then im off to me scratcher LoveLoveLovehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vhhTvcLoRw
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 27 May 21 23:22
Cracking tune.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 27 May 21 23:26
But George, surely there have our best interests at heart and that is why they want us all jabbed.

Well either that or make the Vaccine Passports / ID Cards / Freedom Passes, viable.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 27 May 21 23:26
* they have
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 27 May 21 23:42
I've been reading about this ADE, Antibody Dependency Enhancement.

Don't worry, it's only a "conspiracy theory", mooted by the same Drs & Profs who wrote to the European regulator in February warning about the potential of these artificially induced spike proteins to cause blood clots (RARE blood clots that is, as we KEEP being told).

Anyway, those poor ferrets in the SARS Cov 1 trials. Once they came into contact with the real virus it was curtains. RIP.
By:
leif
When: 27 May 21 23:52
There should not be a situation whereby spike proteins are introduced. Studies have shown that.

It's mad science full stop.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 27 May 21 23:59
Dear Sir Graham,
Firstly I wish to thank you again for your ongoing hard work in arguing for a more proportionate response to dealing with COVID-19.  The concerns I wish to raise with you today relate to the vaccination program and the proposition of vaccination certificates.
As you know I am a GP. I am horrified by the talk of ‘No Jab, No Job’ policies and vaccination certificates.
The GMC are very clear that “all patients have the right to be involved in decisions about their treatment and care” and that “doctors must be satisfied that they have a patient’s consent… before providing treatment or care”. They also state “doctors must… share relevant information about the benefits and harms of proposed options and reasonable alternatives, including the option to take no action”.
Following interim analysis of the ongoing clinical trials, emergency use authorisation has been granted by the MHRA for both the Pfizer BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccines. They are as yet unlicensed. The clinical trials are due to continue until 2023. I find it alarming that much attention is paid to the headline figures of relative risk reduction (RRR) with no mention of the absolute risk reduction (ARR). The RRR of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine is 95.1% (CI 90.0%-97.6%, p=0.016). Dig a little deeper into the data and you learn that the ARR is only 0.7% (CI 0.59%-0.83%, p
By:
casemoney
When: 28 May 21 01:29
Were 1000 plus dying a day we are down to less than 10 a day , why is that Lief ? Me I would say it was the vaccine working .
By:
Movewiththetimes
When: 28 May 21 01:48
Average age still 82.4, can't be many left for this deadly virus Crazy Vaccine Wink
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 21 02:00
Last year,according to government data, covid deaths peaked on April 8th.

On June 30th last year, with no vaccine, 12 covid deaths were recorded.
On this basis, cases were going to fall anyway as the summer progressed towards summer.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

So the big question is, what is going to happen next respiratory disease season? The government predicts those who have been jabbed twice will be most at risk:

This is what the government's own modelling predicts:

This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in
people who have received two vaccine doses
, even without vaccine protection
waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake
has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds).
There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x
10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected
against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake
being so high


page 18:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system
/uploads/attachment_data/file/975909/S1182_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_
modelling_of_easing_roadmap_step_2_restrictions.pdf
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 21 02:06
* as the year progresses towards summer

* Not necessarily "most at risk", but because they are in the majority, at least that is what the document claims / predicts.
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 28 May 21 04:40
ffs just up to go to the fields and this is the last thread on the forum, ffs.

You do a great job on the comps forum George B, but by fck you and leif are the most boring aresoles in history of the forum, that's the best way I can put it.
By:
Fruiterie
When: 28 May 21 08:33
I am amazed how some can even imagine this is all some kind of conspiracy. Just try to work out how many people would have to be involved, it runs into thousands....and you really think this many people could keep a secret when 2 knowing a secret generally means the secret's out?

As for what vaccine does what, the numbers quoted to 'prove' AZ is bad don't bear close scrutiny. Let's leave out that this is an unprecedented situation in that there has never been a global response the way we are presently experiencing. Billions of vaccines being manufactured, shipped and given to billions of people...

From Yellow Card

So far 23.3 million AZ first dose with 786 fatalities (1 in 30,000 approx)
So far 11.4 million Pfizer first dose with 374 fatalities (1 in 38,000 approx)
So far 0.1 million Moderna first dose with 7 fatalities (1 in 14,000 approx)although this sample may be too small so is suspect.

Add both doses and the picture is as follows:

So far 30.8 million AZ total doses with 786 fatalities (1 in 39,000 approx)
So far 20.1 million Pfizer total doses with 374 fatalities (1 in 54,000 approx)
So far 0.1 million Moderna total doses with 7 fatalities (1 in 14,000 approx)although this sample may be too small so is suspect.

Long Covid is where we should be focussed now. Reports are this number is rising rapidly.I won't suffer the long term impact as I'm well into my 60s so I'm unlikely to be around 25 years from now when all the present younger generation need greater levels of healthcare with the commensurate costs. Add in the backlog of patients requiring operations (estimated at a minimum 10 years to clear under the present healthcare system) and we have a fuse that will explode over decades to come. I crunched some macro numbers and estimate the tax bill to provide care and relief will add at least 10p to the tax bill just for the long term Covid as things stand. Add in the increased costs of catch up and I'm afraid you younger people will have to get used to 33%-40% tax rates as the norm.

Vaccines are the way forward, whether you ant to run away from the risks or not.

Just my ten penneth worth.

(and yes, I've had both jabs, AZ)
By:
brians
When: 28 May 21 08:47
The vaccine is working brilliantly,  the logic on here is mindboggling.  Everything in life comes with risks, its a matter of choosing which risks to take. The vaccine may be bad for a very few but saves millions.
Millions of people get in a car every day, some will die in a car crash, the logic on here is never get in a car. But its worse than that, vaccines work better when everyone has had them, thats how we eradicated smallpox.
No doubt a few died from that vaccine but in the end it saved millions.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 21 08:48
* There have been ...
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 21 08:55
Last year up until the end of December, NHS data showed around 388 people aged under 60 who had no other underlying conditions died with or of covid, or at least had a positive test, 338 of these were aged between 40 and 59.

That's right brians, it's working so well that it's saving millions of healthy people from a disease that they would survive anyway, while killing some who were at next to zero chance of dying from covid.
By:
Manoleeds
When: 28 May 21 09:01
I can't help but notice that a lot of the vaxxed say "I've had mine, you should have yours" . To me it comes across as "I'm a bit worried that something might go wrong down the line and I want you to be in the same boat as me."
By:
broadsword
When: 28 May 21 09:42
yep mano ive noticed that too. a lot of back slapping amongst the jabbed.....it for reassurance.
By:
Facts
When: 28 May 21 09:56
https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online
By:
Facts
When: 28 May 21 10:00
wondersobright    27 May 21 19:46 
750k+ severe adverse reactions reported by yellow card scheme in the UK
1100+ deaths
10-fold under-reported
clinical trials for this don't end until 2023
thanks but no thank



' statistics ' reported by UK Column are global numbers
By:
ericster
When: 28 May 21 10:43
Well? Fwiw:
I had the first jab (AZ) way back in feb and in the third week after it I had some pretty awful side-effects. At least, I assume they were AZ side-effects.

For or five days of real pounding headaches (I don't [have] headaches).
On two occasions I experienced bright colours in front of my eyes and was unable to focus for just a few minutes.
And then, the most scary of all, the brain-fog.
I was in here typing a comment about dogs being stolen and was about to type the words "wire haired". Suddenly I couldn't for the life of me think how to spell those two words. Never mind I thought, just spell them any old how, spell-check will put it right. I couldn't think what the second letter of "wire" was. Then I wasn't sure that the "w" was right. I was stunned, terror-stricken, caught like a rabbit in headlights, didn't know what to do and so I cancelled the post and went and sat in an easy chair.

I came back later, opened the thread and typed out "wired hair" which I corrected and then posted the comment.

ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused

Now: We're told that if you're worried or concerned about the vaccines to talk to your GP, not possible, my lot tell me to phone 119.
Try looking on the website, yeah right.

I'm due for my second jab and haven't been called yet. I keeping checking for local jab-centre, when I see one I shall book an appt and go.
How bad can death by blood-clot be?
Blindness is a worry of course.

No BS here, true story.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 28 May 21 10:50
Lets hope those refusing the jab arent expecting any treatment after contracting it. ??
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 28 May 21 10:53
Facts28 May 21 08:56
https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online



Whenever I see a "fact chacker" link, the first thing I do is to check for who are the funders, is there a link to the Gates foundation?

The article that "FACTS" has posted:

WRITTEN BY
HealthGuard
HealthGuard, a product of NewsGuard

Who funds NewsGuard?

NewsGuard Technologies was founded in 2018 by Steven Brill and L. Gordon Crovitz, who serve as co-CEOs. Investors include the Knight Foundation and Publicis. The NewsGuard extension is installed in browsers and warns users when they view content from what it considers fake news websites.

Who are the Knight Foundation?

Both Knight and Gates Foundation share a belief in the power of informed and engaged communities for many reasons

https://knightfoundation.org/articles/gates-knight-fund-new-project-improve-measuring-media-impact/

Hey "FACTS", who's checking the "fact checkers", eh?
By:
dustybin
When: 28 May 21 11:08
Ericster.

Phone your doctor, explain the concern about potential blood clot, the receptionist will text you a link to your mobile with a few questions, send it back answered.
Within a couple of hours you will be called back by the receptionist informing you of the local blood centre which is a drive through.
Go the next day, have a blood sample taken, they then analyse it within a few days, if there’s a dangerously low platelet count you will be called in, if not you won’t hear from them.

In the meantime, drink plenty of liquid and if the headaches arn’t shifted by normal paracetamol phone back and book an appointment anyway.

If you read the accounts of the distinct minority who have unfortunately got a clot as a result they became dizzy and/or felt nauseous along with severe headaches and regressed rapidly.
In short, you know when you have one I believe.
By:
Hayden
When: 28 May 21 11:15
Feel thankful to have received the Pfizer , even more so after reading this lot.


Good luck all
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