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I won't attempt to judge the ride except to say that if that warrants 21 days then at least 3 or 4
rides in every race run in Britain deserve 21 days! If Havlin had wanted to make it look like he wasn't preventing the horse from winning he could have easily done a Luke 'bump up and down in the saddle' or acted in an animated way and fooled the stewards. These kinds of things are down to a fine art in Handicaps and Maiden races where trainers ae looking fir a low mark. |
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exactky roggrain
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exactly too :)
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Jockey Robert Havlin is to appeal against a 21-day ban handed to him by Lingfield stewards on Wednesday for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing.
Havlin, 47, rode 16-1 shot Stowell to a fast-finishing second in the 1m4f novice stakes behind odds-on stablemate Polling Day, with the ride attracting attention for the rider's hands-and-heels approach. Speaking on Thursday morning in Newmarket, Havlin said: "I plan to appeal against the 21-day ban issued by Lingfield stewards." Havlin was interviewed by the stewards, as was a representative for trainers John and Thady Gosden, who stated he was "happy" with the ride and that it "accorded with the instructions given" |
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Deserved at least 21 days imo. Horse should have banned for a while and trainer fined too. Havlin clearly prevented the horse from winning. As George mentioned earlier on the thread, the concern will be that they hire the best lawyers and somehow get away with it like Havlin did at Yarmouth last year when his riding was reckless at best and arguably very dangerous. That ban was reduced from 10 days to zero so we may see the same though I'd hope that the process is strong enough that they increase the ban for such a frivolous appeal. If it was someone of a lower profile (or from a lower profile yard) the ban would stand for sure.
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the guy has some front
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Just watched the replay on ATR, Havlin would have won in another stride, think a 21 day ban is a bit harsh, we all know that John Gosden does not like his horses knocked about 1st time but win if you can.
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An Appeal was inevitable. When have they ever increased a ban? It doesn't happen. The worst legal team would get him off. That's what happens.
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If The Stoowards have any sense they will increase it to 3 Months for the bare face cheek of the guy.
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Havlin took a pull just as they were about to turn at the very same time his more fancied stablemate was kicking on , he should have got six months for that action alone
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Banned for life
Leading trainer cheats   Integrity Comedy gold Another nail in the coffin  |
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I except it was first time out but you have to do more than that. No chance of a reduced sentence.
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Put it this way if the Horse in front was not Gosdens he would have Won going away.
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I think he was long odds against to get this 10 day ban overturned last year, but he employed the top legal brains and he managed it.
The head on footage of what happened is within this link. Imo it shows a gradual drift under right handed pressure which resulted in two horses being badly hampered and lucky to stay on their feet. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2020/jul/30/talking-horses -deirdre-can-light-up-glorious-goodwood-again-in-nassau-stakes-horse-racing |
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Didn't see race yesterday, having read this I thought this must be blatant because a( It got Barton Bank out of retirement to comment and B) Havlins copped for 21 days.
I didn't think it was as bad as most are saying, was out for an introductory race and got one but ran on really well to get closer to winner than they expected as Frankie coasted home in front. Don't think ride given was any worse than Gosdens stable mate Marshal Dan(or similar name) was given against Polling Day in it's previous run but Mackay did a better job of getting boxed in. Both Gosdens btn stablemates making their racecourse debuts. Think most jockeys would get bans for giving debutantes easy rides in that case. |
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put it this way, if it had gone from 16/1 to 8/1, it would have got up
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the horse wasnt there to win..anyone who thinks otherwise needs..
A,sectioned B,another hobby. FACT. |
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I would disagree that every day there are riders deliberately stopping horses from winning, as seems to be suggested by many on this forum.
However ,whether the leader was idling or not , Havlin in my opinion would have won with just a couple of cracks with the whip, and is totally wasting his time with an appeal. Rightly got 21 days. |
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Gosden employs him for rides exactly like that. A talented older jock wouldn't take the job.
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He should count himself very lucky to only get 21 days. Any sort of meaningful effort off the final bend (not just doing a bit of knitting) and he would have won with a bit to spare and that's without resorting to the whip. The horse finished with a full tank and he couldn't even pull the beast up passing the line. Plenty on here seem to underestimate the skill of a top jockey. These are people at the top of the tree and employed by these big stables for a reason. Havlin knew exactly what he had under him, hence the delay in his "effort"
One thing is for sure, the 2nd will turn out to be a much horse than the winner of yesterdays race. |
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*better horse
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21 days harsh imo..seen way worse with paltry sentences.
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I agree. The race finish plays out as the trainer has instructed, as does the horse's run, and yet the trainer is free of charge or consequence.? And, clearly, the leader who became the winner, did idle in front - the distance between it and the third and fourth placers didn't extend at all over the final furlong. Stewards are looking to make waves. It's not the first time recently they've falsely pilloried a jockey.
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Yes, we know that now piccadilly, as the racecourse has shown us, but the market didn't, so saying that the racecourse run showed it was much the better horse is a meaningless comment, in my view.
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What are you trying to say with your meaningless ramblings, Honcho? So, you don't think the stewards should have acted?
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Wow! The judge and jury has passed sentence! lmao. No point conversing with you at all.
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Just trying to make sense of your posts, Honcho. The winner idled but you agree the 2nd is a better horse but then the market didn't tell us its going to be a better horse.....so the jockey shouldn't receive a ban? About as clear as mud but thanks all the same, Honcho. lol
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One thing is for sure, the 2nd will turn out to be a much horse than the winner of yesterdays race.
Interesting statement whippin Piccadilly considering the winner gave him 7lbs on only his second start...very bold |
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Obviously you knew he gave him 7lbs whippin?
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Yeah, no point sitting on the fence, Harry. Connections WILL reap the rewards of that "kind" introduction.
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Yeah, I did know that, Harry. You think I got into the game just last week?
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Hang on, just noticed a change to the wording of what was reported this morning, now it's he's "considering" an appeal and has asked the PJA to have a look at the race "with a view to appealing".
So an appeal not absolutely certain yet, they have until tomorrow to decide. https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/robert-havlin-to-appeal-against -21-day-ban-handed-down-after-eyecatching-second/485827 |
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Wasn’t sure considering your bold statement...
handy to know though, thanks for confirming. |
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That's not what I said whippin, as well you know, even in your childish mentality. Jockeys, from time immemorial, have followed trainer instructions, as Havlin clearly did here. If they don't they don't get future rides. It's a simple conclusion therefore to apportion most of the blame for the ride on the trainer. Simple! So simple that even your puny brain will eventually get it. However, this new breed of stewards, who are out to pillory jockeys at any given opportunity, refuse to challenge and pillory the big boys of the game. The trainer has to be the most culpable here.
You following this whippy? |
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Can’t beat a Godolphin horse if you want to continue riding for them. Hard lines on Nat Rothschild who has only had five winners from 41 runners in five years.Should he take his horse away from the Gosdens ?
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If it wasn't a stable mate, especially a blue one then I think Havlin would probably have got away with it. Also you'd see much worse examples of this with the AOB mob a few years back.
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That ride was bad by any standard you want apply to it,the panic in the jockeys body language as his mount closed down the leader was palpable.
He deserved every minute of those 21 days and starting price doesn't excuse what we saw. |
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Absolutelty spot on punch.
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According to RP results section Havlin said that Gosden had told him not to use the whip. Maybe in future punters should be told pre-race about this instruction.
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Howard do you expect a horse to be hit with the stick first time out?
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