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Race 2 - 4:35pm
THE SKY SPORTS RACING HD VIRGIN 535 NOVICE STAKES (CLASS 5) (PLUS 10 RACE) An enquiry was held into the running and riding of STOWELL, ridden by Robert Havlin and trained by John & Thady Gosden, which, after breaking well, was settled behind the leaders for the majority of the race, before being urged along under an apparently tender hands and heels ride rounding the final bend and up the straight to finish second, beaten by a diminishing head. The rider and the trainers’ representative were interviewed and shown recordings of the race; the Veterinary Officer reported that two post-race examinations of the colt failed to reveal any abnormalities. The rider stated that his instructions were to settle the colt and ride him to obtain his best possible position. He added that STOWELL was a fragile type who had a high knee action, and that John Gosden had instructed him to ride the colt hands and heels and not to use his whip. Havlin stated that he was happy with his position in behind the leaders but added that the pace had slowed at half-way which he felt had not benefitted the colt. He added that upon entering the final bend he was caught on the heels of SCAMPI, after which he switched to the inside and the colt ran on well inside the final half furlong. He further stated that, in his opinion, the winner was idling in front and therefore it appeared that STOWELL had finished faster than he actually had and that in time, the colt would likely benefit from racing on turf with ease in the ground. The trainers’ representative stated that he was happy with the ride and that it accorded with the instructions given and that they were very pleased with this, STOWELL’s first run. Havlin was suspended for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to ensure STOWELL obtained his best possible placing, in that after getting a clear run in the straight, the colt had not been asked for a sufficient effort. Taking into account how well STOWELL ran on up the straight despite being tenderly ridden, and the diminishing distance that the colt was beaten, Havlin was suspended for 21 days. |
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as i was saying...
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apologies to standing stewards who actually did do a credible job
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Why should this be treated any differently to a Jim Best non-trier that's strangled out the back? The result is the same, the punter has been shafted.
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and big Gosden should be disciplined as well
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Sorry about posting 28 days - thought it was compulsory to add 33% onto everything on hear!
 Frankie easing down a furlong from home didn't help Rabs cause much imo |
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trainers rep happy with ride, there ye are.
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that was 1.01..i got 20k on.
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Well done stewards.
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The case should have been referred to headquarters for punishment on the horse and trainer. 21 daus is too light for the Jockey
Gosdens should be charged with bringing racing into disrepute |
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Having found Havlin 'guilty', the stewards have bottled it regarding the trainer.
But if and when this goes to appeal, I think it will be a close call for two reasons: He added that upon entering the final bend he was caught on the heels of SCAMPI, after which he switched to the inside and the colt ran on well inside the final half furlong 1. the horse was held up in its run on the home bend 2. once in the clear Havlin didn't stop riding, albeit you may argue he could have been more vigorous. No doubt they'll be hiring the top legal boys. So my prediction is it will be overturned on appeal. |
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I doubt big Gosden will get his fingers rapped. Racing Royalty there.
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Just watched the replay and must admit to being a bit surprised. I expected to see something that was much worse than that.
Flat racing is full of horses being given these supposed 'educational rides'. It just so happens this horse was given one and got very close to winning. I look forward to the Stewards pulling up all and sundry who don't get close to winning. |
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He did the same at Newbury on Sunday where his stablemate also won, he and Gosden should be charged with bringing the game disrepute.
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My apologies to BHA/Stewards though sentence should be greater.
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Last year at Yarmouth, Havlin was given a 10 day ban after his mount had veered right having been hit with the whip, resulting in two horses being badly hampered and lucky to stay on their feet against the rail.
Havlin managed to get the ban completely overturned on appeal. |
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Quite a big deal made on this thread, yet I think it’s a harsh sentence myself...
he clearly expected the 2 horses in front of him to move from the rail like they normally do at lingfield. yet gets stuck on a rail run stuck behind beaten horses, before he gets out, the winner is 4/5 lengths clear at this point when clear, so he thought he’d educate him without knowing the winner would tire in front...incompetent maybe, deliberate is wrong and the winner is clear... very harsh for me, yes he would of won with a clear run up the rail but the gap didn’t come early enough...21 days is b0llox in my book. |
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the punter has been shafted
1. Polling Day 2/9F 7. Stowell 16/1 5. Reverend Hubert 16/1 you could argue the bookie has been shafted |
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Harry & Drum must have watched a different race!
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Was he actually impeded? There was plenty of room on the inner before the straight. Looks awkward. Then he thinks the race is done but Frankie's idles and its a nervous last 50 yards. If Rab wins he gets his ear chewed off I expect so do feel slightly sorry for him in that situation.
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Thought the ride on At a pinch at Newbury just as bad.
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Gosden's riding instructions are fairly damning. They could've been interpreted rather differently if they'd been given by a.n.other trainer.
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Once they've decided the jockey didn't take all permissible measures, if the trainer / rep says they're happy with the ride and the instructions were followed, that's usually the trigger for the trainer to be penalised too, but clearly in this instance the stewards have bottled it.
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Game of opinions whippin...if you think he deserves 21 days for that, you need your head testing...after all he hasn’t stopped it, it’s just an incompetent ride made worse by the winner getting tired imo
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Compare with this example from 2015, and the 'little guy' Shaun Harris getting hit with a £3K fine.
Is it one rule for John Gosden and another for the likes of Harris? The Stewards held an enquiry into the running and riding of FIRST SUMMER, ridden by Jordan Nason and trained by Shaun Harris, which was settled at the back of the field and appeared to be tenderly ridden to finish seventh, beaten 3 lengths. They interviewed the rider and the trainer. They also received a report from the Veterinary Officer who confirmed that a post-race examination failed to reveal any abnormalities, and observations from the Handicapper. The rider stated his instructions were to drop the gelding in and get cover. He stated that he was outpaced early on due to his slow start and turning into the home straight was waiting for the cut-away to make his run. He also stated that the gelding choked and was making a noise so he rode the gelding hands and heels to the line. The trainer stated that he wanted cover from a poor draw and to make the best of his way home. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race the Stewards found the rider in breach of Rule (B)59.2 and the trainer in breach of Rule (C)45.4, in that they were guilty of conditioning the horse on the racecourse. They suspended the rider for 14 days as follows: Wednesday 23 September to Saturday 3 October and Monday 5 to Wednesday 7 October 2015. They fined the trainer £3000 and suspended the horse from running in any race for 40 days from Saturday 12 September to Wednesday 21 October 2015 inclusive. |
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Won't appeal as will then involve John and Thadius causing serious embarrassment to the good name of Gosden.
This is why royalty have shields with the family crest. (aka Rab Havlin) |
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Game of opinions......but of course you're right & I'm wrong.
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He could of at least moved on the horse,like a fecking concrete statue..............
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11kv, it would seem Dettori is being quite selective in the rides he takes, so Havlin is coming in for a lot of nice rides on fancied horses, plus with the one meeting rule for jockeys, it'll mean more rides on quality horses for Havlin on the bigger days. So a 21 day ban is going to hurt financially. My guess therefore is that he will appeal.
Or has he ruled out an appeal already? |
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must admit i didnt see it live and was expecting far worse after listening to chappers i thought he must realise he,s going to catch him and stop riding but when he had a chance he wasnt expecting to win ,he went for it,badly placed horses finishing fast happens 6 times every day
did chappers and co go for it big style straight after the race, normally pundits would be saying got lonely out in front ,lost concentration blah,blah and if 2nd had got their early winner would have picked up again etc,etc |
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Not sure Rabs short of a few $,be interesting to see if he bothers to try and get it overturned...
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apparently he was left a lot 'poorer' due to the cost of the legal fees when trying to overturn the drugs ban
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Whippin I’m not saying he shouldn’t of been banned but 21 days is to much in this case.
So is everyone in agreement 21 days is right just to clarify |
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I rarely post against jockeys and had no financial interest in that race but I was astounded by the ride. Most jockeys want to win races and I firmly believe that if Havlin had wanted to win that race he would have. In my honest opinion it looked bad and was bad. Clearly the stewards thought the same as me and in that case 21 days can be regarded as the minimum. I agree with another post here that if it helps to be associated with a high profile trainer.
It would be interesting what the opinion of other jockeys is, if that was possible. |
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i liked the bit at the bend when he virtually stood up in the irons like he was pulling up something in the midlands grand national .
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Usually I'd be the first to condemn an 'overly tender' ride, but I also think this was an OTT reaction to the ride. We all expect at least 'reasonably tender' rides first time out. Do you want to put the horse off racing forever on it's first outing? I think Havlin did believe he was running into a nice 2nd place and didn't quite see the chance to win. Possibly injudicious. But much less harmful than many obviously intentional tender rides given to very fancied experienced runners that are rarely exposed. I'm also not sure that the horse in question would have run any faster in the closing stages with a whipping. Do we believe they all need whipping? It seemed to run very eagerly under the pushing he gave it when in the clear. Not sure about it being 'fragile' - that sounds like an excuse - looked like a big strong beast - maybe it will win the derby - that would be a cool story. Not sure the establishment would like it. :)
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In what possible way would it be a 'cool story'? Best horse in a race has lost, how is that cool?
This story is really about what should be deemed acceptable when a horse appears on a racecourse. Personally, I don't think this idea of 'educational rides' is acceptable. It is an excuse for a horse not displaying it's true ability. If horse A can be produced fit enough to win why should horse B turn up unfit and effectively on a schooling in public mission. The point I was trying to make earlier was if Havlin had finished fourth would the Stewards be handing out 21 days? I doubt it. If they picked up on everything there wouldn't be anyone left in the weighing room. They expect to get away with it, and they do. Occasionally, Stewards will attempt to show that they are not spineless, and this was an example. |
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That did look awful you could see that was a half hearted finish by Rab.
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given an easy,never ever given the hurry up
until it was too late. |