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Eddie the shoe and patient dream
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Neither had any involvement with racing horses .
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Two memories of Fremantle: one of him sitting in my living room after an evening meeting at Taunton, and emptying the contents of his pockets into a fruit bowl to count them up. The fruit bowl literally overflowed with readies, and that became the benchmark of a good day from then on.
And another memory of him fumbling in his trouser pockets for change to pay for a round and some toast in the buffet car on the way back from Plumpton or Fontwell, and what looked like several thousand pounds of cash going flying across the compartment. Also, his second wife telling me how they'd been sorting out the contents of his wardrobe before moving out from his first wife, and being incredulous at finding a four-figure sum in a jacket pocket that he'd forgotten about. thinly veiled - Keys in the fruit bowl, trouser pocket fumblings, husband watching on from the wardrobe. You racing types make me sick. |
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what a cool guy eddie sounds screamingfrombeneaththewaves...GREAT STORY ....enjoyed reading that
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I used to go racing a lot when it was allowed, and whilst I would be the first to admit I haven't got a clue what I am looking at when I see horses going around the parade ring, I still enjoyed going there and watching the horses go round. Eddie was often there though, gazing intently at each horse as it walked past him and making conspicuous notes, and to my mind he always seemed to know what he was doing. I have never plucked up the courage to actually talk to him because a) he is always concentrating so hard on looking at the horses and b) he is probably sick of people coming up to him at the races because they have seen him on the telly. Having read this thread though, he seems a decent bloke and I might start a conversation with him if I find myself stood next to him at a racecourse at some time in the future (but not when he's trying to concentrate on the horses going around the parade ring).
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You can write all the notes you want but it’s always a help to know what you are looking at
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Personally, I think he does mate.
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Personally I think he doesn’t , but he’s far from on his own when it comes to so called paddock judges . I’d say that it’s a really difficult art to perfect and plenty pretend to be experts but are only bluffing .
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If you want to go and have a chat with him go ahead. It shouldn't really matter if he is looking at horses surely his lips can still move? You are not interrupting open heart surgery. It wouldn't reflect very well on him if he just blanked you.
Many years ago I spoke to a chap called Ivor Markham who was a race reader and also Jim McGrath. Ivor was extremely pleasant, Jim wasn't. |
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Good luck to Freemantle for getting to where he's got to,like I guess many on here don't take much notice of pundits but he's undoubtedly one of the best that come on our screens along with the Dixons imo,however it has to be acknowledged that a guaranteed income away from punting is a colossal advantage and in the modern world there's plenty of easy gigs knocking about if you can get your name up there in lights.
Incidentally having only just seen this thread my first thoughts Screaming will be along in no time! |
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Would be interesting to know which of the RTV presenters/guests/tipsters etc could use their fee, have a punt and make it pay. My guess is none of them.
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I don't think Steve Mellish has ever had a losing year
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Mellish is very, very fussy. I get it: quality not quantity but I got the impression he has one bet a month
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Bit of an assumption that people in the industry don't make it pay based on what?
Every day they are on they have to give their opinion on races they probably have no interest in financially or wouldn't touch with a barge pole. More chance of him being a winner having a bet a month than someone having 6 or more bets a day. McGrath certainly was a winner and very shrewd punter. |
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A lot of them are experts in waffle, dealer.
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Aye all the experts are on here
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Some good some but as in all sports broadcasters
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Some bad
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dealer: I guess but that's what RTV want.. if you can give a line about every horse and waffle for 10 minutes then you're in .... How many can bet though. I doubt any of them could.
Maybe Mellish can... as he was punting long before RTV. So maybe I'm harsh there. |
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No maybe's about it. Mellish has a record of every bet he ever placed and he is a serial winner
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I think he used to say 2-3 bets a week but maybe up to 5 these days
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OK so maybe i'm harsh there werbie but generally they only talk a good game and that's what they're paid for.
I admit it's a skill in itself to talk about every god damn horse in training but if you back their selections you'd go skint |
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If you back the selections of 95% plus of the people on here you would go skint and here is the home of all the experts and winners.
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I don't know why anybody starts these threads about pundits - there isn't a man alive that could win under the circumstances that they have to operate within:
Somebody else picks the meeting for you - you have to "bet" at that meeting and you can only "bet" at that one meeting, You have to make a selection in every race including the sellers, claimers, classified stakes, Class 6 handicaps, 4 horse races, etc. You have to bet to win (or EW) - no laying, no dutching, no place only bets, etc. They are TV pundits ffs - they're not on there to help you make a living at the game! - what are you expecting them to say..... "This meeting is a load of low class sh1te that I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole - I suggest you stop watching, switch over to our competitor channel and have a nice little EW bet in the Listed race".  |
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nah dealer, there are some very shrewd people on the forum and all are long term winners. You'd be better off following them than the jokers on tv
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The majority of the shrewd people don't post on the forum.
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I think TM sums it up perfectly
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The Management
Very well put sir. |
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Very good topic, and a good read. I would consider TM as shrewd and he posts on here dealer, although you did say majority.
Unfortunately I don't fall into the "shrewd" category,and am in no way smart,but I read a lot mainly books and at long last I am turning things around and have been in profit for the last few months,but more importantly my mindset is better. As I say I've read a lot not just betting related,but the more I look at other areas of financial acumen to use a word that wouldn't be normally associated with me, the term compounding surfaces quite a lot, maybe this is where I have been going wrong, if so I need to learn how it works. |
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Yes GH there are of course some that do.
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I've said before in defence of the likes of Nevison he is asked to "tip" 36 hours in advance with no (or little) markets.
This is difficult I agree. There are others on TV though that just read the RP and tip the fav every race. Diabolical. They're good at filling air time and nothing else. |
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Many however GH feel the need to spend most of their time trying to convince the forum they are winning posters, why I don't know.
Its easy from looking at posts to make up your own mind, Punts with regards to Rico, I have met him a few times and saw his accounts, he has made his money from having an edge but having been in the trading rooms, even with that edge, its not for the faint hearted and not as easy as it seems. He has said it is difficult now as there are too much after the pie. |
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edaler: lets not derail the thread with him. If he was making 20k a month he would not be residing in a council house in Newcastle . That is all I will say about him
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dealer*
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Pretty sure when Nevo was flying high, if that's what it was? He was all about exploiting market inefficiencies. As we know there are far fewer of those about now. Not sure his plan b or c is the holy grail so effectively gone at the game
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I'm not derailing anything just stating a fact. He plays the forum, has done for years but he isn't a liar.
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dealer: you can believe what you want
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I think he has said £20k on a good month, I doubt many are making that every month now
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Last post on it, its not what I believe, I have seen it.
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If you say so dealer. I'm sure people making 20k a month would have Newcastle top of their choice of destination.
His story does not add up and it never has. |
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what people really want to do is concentrate
on their own game and affairs,not worry about others. |