Needed the run quite badly according to Eddie , but he’s well backed pre race and obviously bolts in . Not a mention of it after the race of course , with the usual waffle . These are dangerous guys to be listening to , absolute apes
Successful wagon , are you kidding me ?. I remember him 30 years ago backing 50 and 66/1 shots , he’d hit a winner about once every 6 weeks . He has a column on a paper and he does a few gigs on RTV . If you were listening to him you wouldn’t have a pair of shoes
Successful wagon , are you kidding me ?. I remember him 30 years ago backing 50 and 66/1 shots , he’d hit a winner about once every 6 weeks . He has a column on a paper and he does a few gigs on RTV . If you were listening to him you wouldn’t hav
Two memories of Fremantle: one of him sitting in my living room after an evening meeting at Taunton, and emptying the contents of his pockets into a fruit bowl to count them up. The fruit bowl literally overflowed with readies, and that became the benchmark of a good day from then on.
And another memory of him fumbling in his trouser pockets for change to pay for a round and some toast in the buffet car on the way back from Plumpton or Fontwell, and what looked like several thousand pounds of cash going flying across the compartment.
Also, his second wife telling me how they'd been sorting out the contents of his wardrobe before moving out from his first wife, and being incredulous at finding a four-figure sum in a jacket pocket that he'd forgotten about.
So he definitely has backed one or two winners over the decades.
Two memories of Fremantle: one of him sitting in my living room after an evening meeting at Taunton, and emptying the contents of his pockets into a fruit bowl to count them up. The fruit bowl literally overflowed with readies, and that became the be
Not for a moment am I saying he’s a bad fella , just that I wouldn’t be taking much notice of his paddock expertise Screaming , he doesn’t even bet in jumps racing anymore according to himself , so I’d imagine that isn’t because he was winning too much .
Not for a moment am I saying he’s a bad fella , just that I wouldn’t be taking much notice of his paddock expertise Screaming , he doesn’t even bet in jumps racing anymore according to himself , so I’d imagine that isn’t because he was winn
I’m not begrudging the chap at all , what I’m being is realistic . You are telling us he’s cleaned out three bookies , screaming is telling us that he’s winning so much it’s falling out of his pockets . All I’m saying is that he’s not remotely related to a paddock judge , and is to he taken with a large pinch of salt .
I’m not begrudging the chap at all , what I’m being is realistic . You are telling us he’s cleaned out three bookies , screaming is telling us that he’s winning so much it’s falling out of his pockets . All I’m saying is that he’s not
He does back some big price winners, but I’ve also seen him back more than 4 in a race.
If he backs the decent/big prices backing a few in a race would be normal, ive never met/seen anyone who backs one in a race make it pay long term,so thats the golden egg
He does back some big price winners, but I’ve also seen him back more than 4 in a race.If he backs the decent/big prices backing a few in a race would be normal, ive never met/seen anyone who backs one in a race make it pay long term,so thats the
Robo...why did your original post have to be so insulting? 'Dangerous guys' Absolute apes'. WTF is that about?
Eddie is employed as a pundit to observe and give a view. This he did and, in this case, what he said did not work out.
Like Screaming, I know Eddie reasonably well, although only from the past seven years or so. He has his own particular well-thought out way of doing things and I have stood next to him on track when the results have gone both extremely well and very poorly for him, but overall he turns a profit.
Even if he didn't, though, I can assure you he has an incredibly detailed knowledge of horses and the game in general. His knowledge alone makes your original comments pretty inappropriate but because he is a decent fella what you said is downright rude and offensive.
Try to be more of a gentleman next time you express a view about someone you do not know, eh?
Robo...why did your original post have to be so insulting? 'Dangerous guys' Absolute apes'. WTF is that about? Eddie is employed as a pundit to observe and give a view. This he did and, in this case, what he said did not work out. Like Screaming, I k
I was having a terrible run back one year back in the 1990s, having done £27,000 in six months. I was at Windsor one afternoon, watching a race from elsewhere in the Tote Credit shop with Eddie. I'd backed some Ron Hodges creature, which did what all well-handicapped Ron Hodges horses do - find just that bit less than they look like they were going to find, and finish second. (You can see why I'd done 27 grand, can't you?)
"Oh Christ," I muttered. "I can't even pay the bloody bills now."
Eddie said nothing. He just took a grand out of his pocket and handed it to me.
A few days later it was Christmas, and I spent Christmas Day surrounded by form books and betting records, trying to find where I was going wrong, and put it right. Well, obviously, I was backing too many well-handicapped plodders at big prices, instead of young horses going up in the weights, but with a turn of foot to actually win races. A few more tweaks with the staking and so on, and I set off to Wincanton on Boxing Day with a bit of confidence. Things worked out, and I paid the man back early in the New Year.
"Thanks." "'s all right."
The point of the story is that it was a different world back then. Yes, you did record all your bets (or at least I did). But it was a cash economy, and the important thing was to have readies to hand to keep that economy flowing. As long as you had those, you didn't really worry yourself with accounting for every last penny. There were more important things to do, and if you felt a bit light, you just assumed it was one of those things, and it would all work itself out in the end. The punter you'd lent a grand to would pay it back when things turned; that wedge you won when you had to wear a proper suit for Ascot on the Saturday would go missing when you were clad in raincoats and waterproofs for Plumpton on the Monday. But it would turn up one day.
It might have been less efficient than Betfair, but the memories were a whole lot better.
I was having a terrible run back one year back in the 1990s, having done £27,000 in six months. I was at Windsor one afternoon, watching a race from elsewhere in the Tote Credit shop with Eddie. I'd backed some Ron Hodges creature, which did what al
The knight , my point here is that people are guided by these guys opening their mouths , and in this case they are being misguided because I believe that Eddie the shoe , even though he may well be a decent fellow , is not any way qualified to make observations about the fitness and wellbeing of horses . The art of judging horseflesh is one that is very difficult to be proficient at , and requires that the so called expert is surrounded by horses and has worked with them from an early age . It is a talent that is very rare and to find a genuine judge is about as rare as hens teeth . Time and time again I hear people bluffing about horses needing the runs , knee actions , running up light , all this old bollix, just to give themselves an air of authority . The other day I heard Martin Dixon saying one hadn’t grown since last year ( from 2 to 3 ) , it was pure shiite talk . Firstly he wouldn’t know , and secondly he just threw it in to make it sound as if he’s an equine expert . A week earlier I heard him saying some horse would need the run badly in catterick , it pisssed in with a girl hanging off it , and he says after that “ I stand by what I said pre race “, what absolute nonsense . What I am saying is that the likes of freemantle and Dixon , while they may know pounds and lengths inside out , they haven’t a clue about horses as regards looking at them in parade rings , no more than the next bluffer . That’s where the danger comes in because people watching can easily be swayed by a so called expert , talking through his arrse.
The knight , my point here is that people are guided by these guys opening their mouths , and in this case they are being misguided because I believe that Eddie the shoe , even though he may well be a decent fellow , is not any way qualified to make
I don't actually blame robo for having a go at Fremantle over getting this one wrong. The fact is, the pundit gets paid out of our subs, and having paid our money we're entitled to rip the p1ss out of them.
But what's a pundit supposed to do when confronted with a favourite like this one? Just come out with the usual line about, oh yes, there's money for this one, which suggests it's fully wound up, and I really fancy it. Or give your honest opinion, and accept that in a race where all bar two of the horse's seven opponents are also first-time-out, the horse could indeed need the run, yet still win?
Point taken, mitolo. I don't actually blame robo for having a go at Fremantle over getting this one wrong. The fact is, the pundit gets paid out of our subs, and having paid our money we're entitled to rip the p1ss out of them.But what's a pundit sup
Maybe say something like , well it’s first time out for the season so who knows whether it’s fit enough to do itself justice . The race boils down to whether horses are fit or not and I can’t say whether one is fit or it isn’t . There is nothing wrong with not knowing something and saying so . I’d have a lot more respect for someone saying that than offering a duff opinion
Maybe say something like , well it’s first time out for the season so who knows whether it’s fit enough to do itself justice . The race boils down to whether horses are fit or not and I can’t say whether one is fit or it isn’t . There is not
er.. roberto, you is at it again. aside from your syntactical error (misguided?) you are choosing the wrong enemies, or at least the wrong targets. if you were paraded on rtv youd look like a a berk, as would most of us.
there are several who are no good. but the dixon twins and eduardo are not those. if you cannot see that you are losing out. carry on.
er.. roberto, you is at it again. aside from your syntactical error (misguided?) you are choosing the wrong enemies, or at least the wrong targets. if you were paraded on rtv youd look like a a berk, as would most of us.there are several who are no g
The Dixon’s and indeed Freemantle are very good form book men , they have an in-depth knowledge of horses , they know the facts and figures , ground preferences, distance preferences of almost every horse . They have done their homework before they come on air . What they don’t have is the art of being able to tell horses condition by looking at them . That is a special art and it’s one that people brought up in a urban environment will never ever have
The Dixon’s and indeed Freemantle are very good form book men , they have an in-depth knowledge of horses , they know the facts and figures , ground preferences, distance preferences of almost every horse . They have done their homework before they
Two memories of Fremantle: one of him sitting in my living room after an evening meeting at Taunton, and emptying the contents of his pockets into a fruit bowl to count them up. The fruit bowl literally overflowed with readies, and that became the benchmark of a good day from then on.
And another memory of him fumbling in his trouser pockets for change to pay for a round and some toast in the buffet car on the way back from Plumpton or Fontwell, and what looked like several thousand pounds of cash going flying across the compartment.
Also, his second wife telling me how they'd been sorting out the contents of his wardrobe before moving out from his first wife, and being incredulous at finding a four-figure sum in a jacket pocket that he'd forgotten about.
thinly veiled - Keys in the fruit bowl, trouser pocket fumblings, husband watching on from the wardrobe. You racing types make me sick.
Two memories of Fremantle: one of him sitting in my living room after an evening meeting at Taunton, and emptying the contents of his pockets into a fruit bowl to count them up. The fruit bowl literally overflowed with readies, and that became the be
I used to go racing a lot when it was allowed, and whilst I would be the first to admit I haven't got a clue what I am looking at when I see horses going around the parade ring, I still enjoyed going there and watching the horses go round. Eddie was often there though, gazing intently at each horse as it walked past him and making conspicuous notes, and to my mind he always seemed to know what he was doing. I have never plucked up the courage to actually talk to him because a) he is always concentrating so hard on looking at the horses and b) he is probably sick of people coming up to him at the races because they have seen him on the telly. Having read this thread though, he seems a decent bloke and I might start a conversation with him if I find myself stood next to him at a racecourse at some time in the future (but not when he's trying to concentrate on the horses going around the parade ring).
I used to go racing a lot when it was allowed, and whilst I would be the first to admit I haven't got a clue what I am looking at when I see horses going around the parade ring, I still enjoyed going there and watching the horses go round. Eddie was
Personally I think he doesn’t , but he’s far from on his own when it comes to so called paddock judges . I’d say that it’s a really difficult art to perfect and plenty pretend to be experts but are only bluffing .
Personally I think he doesn’t , but he’s far from on his own when it comes to so called paddock judges . I’d say that it’s a really difficult art to perfect and plenty pretend to be experts but are only bluffing .
If you want to go and have a chat with him go ahead. It shouldn't really matter if he is looking at horses surely his lips can still move? You are not interrupting open heart surgery. It wouldn't reflect very well on him if he just blanked you.
Many years ago I spoke to a chap called Ivor Markham who was a race reader and also Jim McGrath. Ivor was extremely pleasant, Jim wasn't.
If you want to go and have a chat with him go ahead. It shouldn't really matter if he is looking at horses surely his lips can still move? You are not interrupting open heart surgery. It wouldn't reflect very well on him if he just blanked you. Many
Good luck to Freemantle for getting to where he's got to,like I guess many on here don't take much notice of pundits but he's undoubtedly one of the best that come on our screens along with the Dixons imo,however it has to be acknowledged that a guaranteed income away from punting is a colossal advantage and in the modern world there's plenty of easy gigs knocking about if you can get your name up there in lights. Incidentally having only just seen this thread my first thoughts Screaming will be along in no time!
Good luck to Freemantle for getting to where he's got to,like I guess many on here don't take much notice of pundits but he's undoubtedly one of the best that come on our screens along with the Dixons imo,however it has to be acknowledged that a guar
Would be interesting to know which of the RTV presenters/guests/tipsters etc could use their fee, have a punt and make it pay. My guess is none of them.
Would be interesting to know which of the RTV presenters/guests/tipsters etc could use their fee, have a punt and make it pay. My guess is none of them.
Bit of an assumption that people in the industry don't make it pay based on what? Every day they are on they have to give their opinion on races they probably have no interest in financially or wouldn't touch with a barge pole. More chance of him being a winner having a bet a month than someone having 6 or more bets a day. McGrath certainly was a winner and very shrewd punter.
Bit of an assumption that people in the industry don't make it pay based on what? Every day they are on they have to give their opinion on races they probably have no interest in financially or wouldn't touch with a barge pole. More chance of him bei
dealer: I guess but that's what RTV want.. if you can give a line about every horse and waffle for 10 minutes then you're in .... How many can bet though. I doubt any of them could.
Maybe Mellish can... as he was punting long before RTV. So maybe I'm harsh there.
dealer: I guess but that's what RTV want.. if you can give a line about every horse and waffle for 10 minutes then you're in .... How many can bet though. I doubt any of them could.Maybe Mellish can... as he was punting long before RTV. So maybe I'm
OK so maybe i'm harsh there werbie but generally they only talk a good game and that's what they're paid for.
I admit it's a skill in itself to talk about every god damn horse in training but if you back their selections you'd go skint
OK so maybe i'm harsh there werbie but generally they only talk a good game and that's what they're paid for.I admit it's a skill in itself to talk about every god damn horse in training but if you back their selections you'd go skint
I don't know why anybody starts these threads about pundits - there isn't a man alive that could win under the circumstances that they have to operate within:
Somebody else picks the meeting for you - you have to "bet" at that meeting and you can only "bet" at that one meeting, You have to make a selection in every race including the sellers, claimers, classified stakes, Class 6 handicaps, 4 horse races, etc. You have to bet to win (or EW) - no laying, no dutching, no place only bets, etc.
They are TV pundits ffs - they're not on there to help you make a living at the game! - what are you expecting them to say..... "This meeting is a load of low class sh1te that I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole - I suggest you stop watching, switch over to our competitor channel and have a nice little EW bet in the Listed race".
I don't know why anybody starts these threads about pundits - there isn't a man alive that could win under the circumstances that they have to operate within:Somebody else picks the meeting for you - you have to "bet" at that meeting and you can onl
Very good topic, and a good read. I would consider TM as shrewd and he posts on here dealer, although you did say majority.
Unfortunately I don't fall into the "shrewd" category,and am in no way smart,but I read a lot mainly books and at long last I am turning things around and have been in profit for the last few months,but more importantly my mindset is better.
As I say I've read a lot not just betting related,but the more I look at other areas of financial acumen to use a word that wouldn't be normally associated with me, the term compounding surfaces quite a lot, maybe this is where I have been going wrong, if so I need to learn how it works.
Very good topic, and a good read. I would consider TM as shrewd and he posts on here dealer, although you did say majority.Unfortunately I don't fall into the "shrewd" category,and am in no way smart,but I read a lot mainly books and at long last I a
I've said before in defence of the likes of Nevison he is asked to "tip" 36 hours in advance with no (or little) markets.
This is difficult I agree.
There are others on TV though that just read the RP and tip the fav every race. Diabolical. They're good at filling air time and nothing else.
I've said before in defence of the likes of Nevison he is asked to "tip" 36 hours in advance with no (or little) markets.This is difficult I agree.There are others on TV though that just read the RP and tip the fav every race. Diabolical. They're goo
Many however GH feel the need to spend most of their time trying to convince the forum they are winning posters, why I don't know. Its easy from looking at posts to make up your own mind,
Punts with regards to Rico, I have met him a few times and saw his accounts, he has made his money from having an edge but having been in the trading rooms, even with that edge, its not for the faint hearted and not as easy as it seems. He has said it is difficult now as there are too much after the pie.
Many however GH feel the need to spend most of their time trying to convince the forum they are winning posters, why I don't know. Its easy from looking at posts to make up your own mind,Punts with regards to Rico, I have met him a few times and saw
edaler: lets not derail the thread with him. If he was making 20k a month he would not be residing in a council house in Newcastle . That is all I will say about him
edaler: lets not derail the thread with him. If he was making 20k a month he would not be residing in a council house in Newcastle . That is all I will say about him
Pretty sure when Nevo was flying high, if that's what it was? He was all about exploiting market inefficiencies. As we know there are far fewer of those about now. Not sure his plan b or c is the holy grail so effectively gone at the game
Pretty sure when Nevo was flying high, if that's what it was? He was all about exploiting market inefficiencies. As we know there are far fewer of those about now. Not sure his plan b or c is the holy grail so effectively gone at the game
If you say so dealer. I'm sure people making 20k a month would have Newcastle top of their choice of destination.
His story does not add up and it never has.
If you say so dealer. I'm sure people making 20k a month would have Newcastle top of their choice of destination.His story does not add up and it never has.
Love him or hate him, Punts, it’s as clear as day that Rico has made an absolute fortune on here. I’m astounded some people are thick enough to disbelieve it.
There’s also nothing wrong in staying true to your roots. Some people will become rich and spend it on exotic holidays, fancy cars and big houses, others will pretty much carry on as they were. I’d love to know if money would change me!
Love him or hate him, Punts, it’s as clear as day that Rico has made an absolute fortune on here. I’m astounded some people are thick enough to disbelieve it.There’s also nothing wrong in staying true to your roots. Some people will become rich
I presume he’s taking the piss with some of them. Most likely he gets stung now and then, it doesn’t mean he’s backed every 1.01 that loses, or laid every thousand winner. Overall he is a big winner on here. You more than likely doubt that because you don’t want it to be true.
I presume he’s taking the piss with some of them. Most likely he gets stung now and then, it doesn’t mean he’s backed every 1.01 that loses, or laid every thousand winner. Overall he is a big winner on here. You more than likely doubt that beca
this post aint about him but when a horse wins when going 1000 on here I'd doubt it's him everytime,he would'nt be on here.There is a few more people who play Betty,not just him.
this post aint about him but when a horsewins when going 1000 on here I'd doubt it's himeverytime,he would'nt be on here.There is a fewmore people who play Betty,not just him.
He hasn't posted or owned up to a loser or gubbing for a LONG time .
When they happen recently he saas hes been out for a walk.
The parks in Newcastle must be very tempting this time of year I grant you.
But he is full of sh*t kenbo.. You're either him or a shill I have no idea.
He hasn't posted or owned up to a loser or gubbing for a LONG time .When they happen recently he saas hes been out for a walk.The parks in Newcastle must be very tempting this time of year I grant you.But he is full of sh*t kenbo.. You're either him
The majority of the 1.01's lately have been fairly desperate, not those that anyone with years of experience would be anywhere near.
If kenbo is shafter I'm the next pope The majority of the 1.01's lately have been fairly desperate, not those that anyone with years of experience would be anywhere near.
I've never met Rico (et all) although i know of him from way back in forum time under his various monikers, but several have met him, seen how he operates at the track/office and all confirm he's a winner. He lost over 140K in one hit once (i saw the media article) not many would admit such a loss, but he did and took it on the chin.
I have no doubt he has occasional losses that he doesn't post, but overall he makes more than most (if not all) on here and i would bet on it, whether you believe it or not is your prerogative of course.
PuntsI've never met Rico (et all) although i know of him from way back in forum time under his various monikers, but several have met him, seen how he operates at the track/office and all confirm he's a winner. He lost over 140K in one hit once (i sa
punts 21 Apr 21 12:19 Sounds like you're trying to convince someone with that P/L greenie,
As you know I dont buy it.
but punts wins betting pre race..point blank refuses to p[ost a 3mth p&l and doesnt pay PC..
i dont buy that either..not sure anyone does
punts 21 Apr 21 12:19 Sounds like you're trying to convince someone with that P/L greenie,As you know I dont buy it.but punts wins betting pre race..point blank refuses to p[ost a 3mth p&l and doesnt pay PC..i dont buy that either..not sure anyone d
as i said to andyl the other night..if you disbelieve then pick any day from last 30 and i'll post it in 10 seconds..try and avoid the 3 losing days though.
as i said to andyl the other night..if you disbelieve then pick any day from last 30 and i'll post it in 10 seconds..try and avoid the 3 losing days though.