Why is Brian Hughes 2nd fav for jockey title?

Have you had a punt on him?

If not why not United?

Six rides tomorrow at Carlisle for six different trainers. I don't see how team Skelton can compete with that.

I do not disagree UTD so why not punt him?

No I haven't Glentoby because I have only just checked the standings, and only put up the thread because I couldn't figure out why the odds are as they are. What am I missing? Is Hughes on the cusp of a ban or something?

Because I don't back 13/8 shots a month in advance. It's not a bragging rights thread (I could care less) it's a please explain thread.

I'm going to have a multi on Hughes' rides tomoz though, and I'll mix in Skelton's three also.

unitedbiscuits 02 Apr 21 19:14 
Because I don't back 13/8 shots a month in advance.

would you take 13/8 xmas day is 25th dec?

Its a good question, there must be a reason why, until recently Skelton didn't get many outside rides, will these stables now help him to the title.
Hughes seems to get rides from most of the northern stables. Injury aside it looks like going to the wire.

That is my point utd,at 13/8 he is huge value,more so than when well ahead,you are the one who highlighted it and answered your own question?

Barring a ban or a fall,he is massive value imvho.

8 weeks ago Hughes led Skelton by 21. So clearly all momentum with Skelton. Odds of 1-2 Skelton 6-4 Hughes at this moment appear correct. Could literally go to the last day. Or even last race! 3 weeks left.

Ok, thank you.
I can't find a link to the mkt on Oddschecker, slickster mentioned 6/4?

lot of the horses skelton's winning for his bro absolutely anyone would win on, stones in hand.  possibly lining up plenty more for him.

7/4 w hill

Thanks Kavvie

Judging by tomorrow's rides Hughes could easily be 3 ahead at close of play. Best odds I can see are 1-2 7-4 25 Cobden. He's 13 behind so you would be expecting 250s not 25s.

134 - 131 in Hughes's favour. 4-6 Skelton 5-4 Hughes. Only a couple of mounts for Hughes next 2 days. Skelton has many more. Should be about level after Tuesday.

Hughes is HUGE value imvho.But Uniteds 13/8 is not going to be seen again...........or IOY suddenly 7/2?

Hughes has one chance , that’s if Skelton gets injured .

all a bit of a joke really,skeltons wouldnt normally be within 200 miles of plumpton on an easter monday today they have 5 favs and a 2nd fav

decent day for hughesy only giving up one to 5 shorties for arry

Brilliant winning ride by Harry in the 1st. Dog of war. Hughes 134. Skeleton 133. 4-9 Harry 13-8 Brian.

nice treble at sedgy for hughes
well played sir

The bloke cleans up in the north 1st time..

not had it all his own way this season up naarth

That just shows how ordinary he is when he’s not had it all his own way up north . The rest of the jockeys up there are drunk drivers , some of them should be in a circus . If Cobden or Skelton rode every day in the north they’d ride 400 winners a year . Adrian heskin  would nearly be champion jockey if he rode up there every day

Another splendid observation from the man who hates jockeys, Uncle Robe thrown out of every yard he ever worked in , now doing a splendid job as a car park attendant , Noel said he doffed his cap to him as he helped him into his spot in Fairyhouse on Monday .

I never worked in a stable shovelling shhit unlike your good self . That’s about all you’d be fit for anyway , seeings as you had no education .

Cobden & Frost look as though they're probably out for the rest of the season, probably seals it for Skelton as Nicholls will surely give him some help now?

This race has been over barring an accident with months . Skelton won’t need any help from nicholls , in fact I’d say he’d prefer if nicholls had nothing to do with him winning the title . Skelton needs to stay injury free for the remainder of the duration, if that happens then there is absolutely no betting in the wide earthly world , in fact it won’t even be close .

1 to 3 and you new it wasnt winning before the off
wouldnt you love just for once to be in the no

Ends Saturday 24th April. 137 Hughes 136 Skelton. Guts of 4-9 Skelton 7-4 Hughes. Harry has Huntingdon to himself Monday. Both at Southwell Tuesday.

The day the knife was twisted by Harry. We are now 139 - 137 in Skelton's favour.

141 Skelton  138 Hughes. 1-6 4.

Skelton will get a few rides from Nicholls with Cobden out for 6 weeks and a few other trainers are giving him rides who would not normally. Only injury can stop him now.

to be fair 2 quality rides from hughes today

141 - 139 to Skelton. Just over a week to go. Hughes clinging on.

Next 2 days could make a big difference as they are riding in the same races at Ayr and Bangor.

50/50

Great contest.

143 Skelton 139 Hughes. Another nail knocked into Hughes's coffin. 1-7 Harry 5 Brian. Best battle since Sanders and Spencer.

perth will be a stronghold for hughes. might not be quite over yet..

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https://www.racingpost.com/news/race-reports/its-david-and-goliath-mccain-says-skeltons-firepower-too-much-for-hughes/484740

sour grapes donald?

Seeing what he wants to see. Hughes has had 206 more rides than Skelton. Could be argued that Harry cannot compete with the amount of rides Brian gets. Percentage wise Skelton deserves to win.

exactly slick

and another little stat for donald & the hughes fanboys to mull over

expected wins for GB 2020/21 NH ssn prior to today, rounded
hughes 146
skelton 136

...bad workmen

I'm looking ahead to next season. Shall we say 11-8 Skelton 2 Cobden 3 Hughes 50 bar...

what day does title end

thx

24th April.

i've not looked slickster  , but seriously hughes has had over 200 more rides than skelton ? 200 !!!!...and still getting whipped. says possibly a lot about northern  trainers and their horses  too . rachael would be a shoe in over here to win this . different class.

What is the current score? I'm backing Hughes in the next race

hs 5 in front i think

hughes 5 behind and needs a miracle unless Skelton has a bad fall

noticed Skelton's mounts are too short in the morning and usually ease closer to off time

sure as eggs are eggs, if i follow that logic, they will shorten

unlucky Brian

Hughes and Skelton going head 2 head here, both backed !

Exciting stuff.

I am with Hughes

Good ride by Skelton there lands a double

DOG OF WAR....  what an aptly named winner... cmon Skelts ....

skelton

6 ahead

hughes no more rides

skelton one more 4/11 shot

interconnected
is the beast don slowly,s owner paid 600,grand for

On form it's no 1.4 shot     but it's the price tag and the skepta juggernaut which means 1.4 you have.

Skelts juggernaut

28/1 wins

Anyone who got involved with that beast needs their head examining. A very expensive pony indeed

0-2 a good result today for hughes

600 grand for champion jock elect to bury at the last in an egg n spoon race

he's being exposed by skelton in certin match type races this last few days. skelton is the better jockey imo.

hughes is a decent jockey up north at the gaff tracks but if he truly is a champion jockey why he not have any rides at cheltenham....mmmm difficult one that

the horse is an overrated short runner with clear stamina limitations imo 1TP...got beat at 1.0 blob with race at his mercy then didn't fancy a battle in better race...it's clearly highly regarded but imo vastly overrated as inrunninggg has stated ...should have won easy on paper today but it gets the timeform squiggle and is one to swerve imo until it wins

Interconnected...a fool and his money..etc.

ive just wathed the replay again lead on and imo he wouldn;t have won if he stood p...the horse puled hard and jumped sketchily but has a high cruising speed whih took him into the race lovely but when push came to shove the horse simply did not want to know...

it's whats called in the game as a BRIDLE PONCE

Just get the feeling that the Skeltons are being a bit greedy,running some horses they normally wouldn't just to get Harry the title...slight injury there would have put paid to title challenge...personally think Brian Hughes will have a good day today...especially like Marown who would not be out of place in the later novice race....nearly tempted by the 11/2 for Hughes to win the title

Can’t see the stars aligning again and this will be Harry Skelton’s only title. Don’t think he’ll be concerned about retaining having achieved his ambition.
Would make Brian Hughes favourite as in a ‘normal’ season can see him being 20-30 in front by the time Chepstow comes around. The Northern circuit being wiped out in January didn’t help him this time around either.

There should be a system where the better races at the better tracks are worth much more than a winner in a seller at a khazi. Maybe say 10 points for a Cheltenham grade 1 down as far as 1/4 of a point for a normal midweek race at sedgefield. The current system is a joke as it stands , where the champion jockey can be not in the top 16 riders in the country , and is amassing wins at banded tracks in banded races against banded jockeys . On top of that most of the racing there is as bennt as a two bob note . I could name 20 jockeys better than Hughes , and his employment rate at the big meetings signifies that I’m not on my own

This is the problem with some sports. The title 'champion jockey' is virtually meaningless to everyone except the holder of the title. Lewis Hamilton is a champion but he has the best car, he is probably the champion out of two. Man City etc, several of the top teams are best because of the money they have. I don't know what the solution is but, to me, some 'champion' titles mean absolutely nothing.

Personally don’t think any of the T3 are truly top notch.
Taking Aheadfullofdreams as an example, a gaff master, Sir AP McCoy, possibly would have won on him at Catterick, probably at Hereford and definitely at Plumpton.
Of the T10, only Jonjo O’Neill looks to have the scope to join the elite we’ve seen in the last 20 years. His weight is going to be a hinderance when it comes to titles, though.

Had forgot that 3 months were knocked off this year which as Numismatist points out would have probably helped Hughes,however with Skelton and Nicholls so far ahead numerically it's hard to see anyone else making a challenge .

Apr 18, 2021 -- 5:33AM, andyl wrote:

he's being exposed by skelton in certin match type races this last few days. skelton is the better jockey imo.

correct

aheadfullofdreams idled badly when left in front @ plumpton...nothing at all to do with jockeys

fat lady singing

hughes holding onto nothing...absolute poetry

Never tried an inch on that

just sits looking around

Is that the best we’ve got??, no hope if so!

looks like barring accidents harry is home n hosed now. deservedly so. hughes won it last year so it would be nice and fitting for a new jockey to win it.

Game over. Skelton 148. Hughes 140. Ends Saturday. Hughes did not only offer minimal resistance, he offered NO resistance.

Harry has a massive stable behind him with horses in so many races. Brian Hughes has to rely on Donald McCain for a lot of winners. Most of the time he has to ride so many moderate horses for a variety of northern trainers. Dan Skelton is so good at finding easy pickings for his horses, as is evident by how he has had so many favourites in so many races recently. It should be close again next season between them, plus Harry Cobden. Nicky Richards yard hasn't been firing in too many winners lately and that hasn't helped Hughes, who I think is a class jockey who gets his mounts in good positions in most races.

Yes,it's been extraordinary how much firepower Dan Skelton has had in reserve this last few weeks.

Skelton thoroughly deserves it. All this nonsense about Hughes's mounts. He has had over 200 more rides than Harry. There is very easy pickings up north. He got lucky last year. Won't win it again. Next year I'm looking at 11-8 Skelton 15-8 Cobden 7-2 Hughes 50 bar.

even with the facts in front of them people still making excuses for hughes

believe whatever fake narrative you want but the best jockey has won it with the lesser opportunity of the 2

Skelton
Cobden
Brennan
Twiston Davies
Sean Bowen
Bass
Jonjo jr
Coleman
Scudamore
Jacob
Cannon
Burke
Sheehan
All of the above better riders
Quinlan
De boinville
Wedge
J Bowen
Mania  all as good if not better

De boinville

Hughes can't buy a winner this week. Looked beaten a nose again there.

i know there are good jockeys who don't but most top jockeys are judged by how many spare rides they get and especially how many top rides they are booked for at the nig meetings particularly the very top meetings. How many rides did Huges get at Cheltenham??

I know Dan has so many runners but until this run-up how many spare rides and non-Dan winners has HS had in the last few years..basically none

Allegedly Skelton's never been too popular? Murphy been his main supporter after his brother recently,they train fairly close,Nicholls has never seemed too bothered about using him in the past, but he's done his bit since Cobden got injured,that will no doubt keep Hales happy.

The Skeltons seem to prefer to work together and it seems to be successful so far. I think that Harry has improved a lot this season and some of his outside winners have been due to his riding ability. His main faults are either going a bit fast in front or occasionally overdoing the waiting but he is one of the top 5 riders over obstacles and usually wins his races out in the country. With riders limited to one meeting per day it has benefitted Harry who gets 5 rides from his brother at which ever meeting they target.

In general the races Harry rides in he is against the top riders and the top trainers, you cannot say that about the races Brian rides in. They are both good jockeys but I believe Harry's task has been a great deal more competitive and great deal harder, he deserves to win it on that basis.

ttt

12/1

throw enough excrement at the wall...

wonder if brian traveled all the way to sandown for 1 ride to find its a non runner, not been a good month.