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anybody remember these bookmakers
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the tipster richard flood started using helicopters to fly into these places.
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At Newmarket for the Craven meeting in 1988, I was talking to a guy called Lester (I worked with him in IT at Natwest) who was the son of the Coral's main rep, Ralph.
Suddenly, Ralph ran by frantically just as all hell broke loose on the rails. After the race, I was talking to Lester again, this time with his father. They said that City Index had tried to suddenly blow £10k back but 'not how it is usually done'. I did not want to appear ignorant and so didn't ask what they meant but a lot of the rails bookies were livid and Ralph said 'this is the beginning of the end if the city boys want to come in and start behaving like that'. To this day, I still don't know what City could have done so wrong. Anyone on here have any idea? |
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granville was the first book to price up and he goes 5/1 the three dog
young lad walks up and says £1500 to £300 trap 3 granville looks at him and says your not old enough son sorry. wipes his board and prices the race up again and puts the 3 dog up at evens young lad walks up and says even £300 granville says now your old enough son  |
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Loper
that was the general idea that not many knew who was lumping on what. When we collected the winnings for Anhootisanowl for example the shops I put the small £10 bets on were all in Portsmouth but the winnings were collected by some other team member. Just had to wrap the bettng slip round a piece of paper with shop address on . Some of us had local maps with the shops highlighted and even showed in a highlight pen the best route around towns we hardly knew. Although there was a lot of trust involved we still had to save the losing betting slips as now and again have to hand them over as proof not just kept any stake money and hope the horse lost! We were actually told for example the horse is called xxx and you need to get £500 on the lowest price you can get is this and dont put the first bet on until 11.00 for example. A well run set up. |
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Great thread this as was the previous one
https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30033801/are-these-bookmakers-and-characters-still-about?post_id=535447403#535447403 I remember Tom Fruit back in the day, RIP. Does anybody remember a bookie called Stute Pinnington at the likes of Haydock and possibly Uttoxeter? |
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Isn't that 'Pinno'? If so he is still around - doesn't have a rail at Cheltenham?
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Surprised nobody has mentioned Freddie Williams,first telephone account I had,direct to himself,lovely man.
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flukes. Not Tom Fruit who bet without at Coventry dogs?
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Kenneth,
You must be talking about morning prices. Not sure who started it, but in the late 80s the Big 4 would price up the most competitive h'caps of the day from 10am onwards, mostly a maximum of 4 races, although this could and would be expanded on Saturdays. I thought you were referring to all races on the card, 90% of which were not priced up until just before the off so no one could go around the shops in the morning taking prices. You could only bet at SP. |
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Wasn't it **** and Luvbet who started the "overnights"?
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BOYLE SPORTS
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Are you thinking about the pricing up of every race in the morning, Parispike, which happened around 1999?
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That's very possible, loper.
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Worst thing that ever happened with the bookmakers cards being marked for peanuts.
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Used to like Tony Haywoods/Haywards. They owned a good horse back in the 90s. Quick to have non smoking bookies and would stand a good bet, in clean shops.
Not sure if they are still going, new them in the Woodford Green area. Remember have a good ante post bet there, every gracious when it came up. |
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^^ hate typos from phone ^^
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When I was a child in the late seventies and early eighties my dad used to take me into David Pipes bookies down in Somerset in the days before pictures, used to just have the audios, sawdust on the floor and all that LOL
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Great thread.
How about Napoleons Racing? Did Sunderlands take over Guntrips? |
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some independents were doing morning prices for all races as far back as the late 80s early 90s angus hill from worcester did the tissue for some racecourse books and some independents ,i use to deal with a firm from hyde which is on the outskirts of manchester called onward pools the prices were available around 9am including maidens and sellers.
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Yes, Jimnast, a few, very few Indies did price up races scrawled on the SL Betting Shop Edition pull out.
But how much were they prepared to lay? |
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onward layed fair bets loper they adjusted there prices as they saw money ,they were a good firm ,
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Loper
I am reffering to a few Irish firms that use to fax over prices to account customers mainly the prices were ones from morning trade papers. They priced up most races knowing they would get ther card marked as it were. This occured every day but often there were days when no real business was done. There were mainly two Irish firms offering the fax service. This avoided the main firms knowing what trainers fancied a horse they were involved with so they were in the dark as it were. As Jimnast mentions above this was going on around 1985 . Probably the best at it was a now retired Lambourn trainer and a retired Italian Newmarket trainer. One day after putting bets on in and around Worthing went to Brighton races and a certain lady Newmarket trainer had one of hers carrying the Irish money and was involved in a photo finish and the strain on her not knowing if she had won or not caused her to faint once the tannoy said her horse had won. But imagine the same trainer trying to get a few hundred on one of her runners on course at a track such as Brighton with generally a weak betting market she would get knock back after knock back |
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I can remember back in the early 90s my local bookie who I was friendly with was an Indie. I would call in around 10am on my way to the races and look at his early prices for the early bird races. These prices were industry wide and visible for all to see on Teletext and Ceefax.
He got his from a bigger firm in the Reading area who he used when he needed to hedge his liabilities. I would say to my mate I want to take such and such a price for X amount. He would phone this hedging agent while I was there and get on what he could. I'd happily drive on to the racecourse knowing I had the first bet in the bin. This lasted less than a month. Not only did his hedging agent stop my mate taking his early prices he closed his account entirely. He'd done me a favour and I had now phucked up his business! |
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Kenneth,
many trainers had no lose accounts with certain bookmakers. A trainer I once knew when he was based in East Isley was one of those. His bookmaker was the vain son of a high profile independent with the same Christian name. I opened an account with him one day at Cheltenham when I had a bet with him on the rails and he didn't have the readies to pay me on the spot. within 5 weeks he wrote to me apologising that he could no longer accept my business! 30 years later he claims to be one of the world's biggest bookies who will take on anyone, as he sits there smirking in his oak paneled office showing off his permatan. |
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Alien Sex Fiend,
I think it was Tony Haywood who owned a grey hurdler that landed a sizeable gamble for him and others when it won the big handicap hurdle race at Newbury in February 1990 or 1991. I am sure the horse was called 'Grey' something or other. Race is now called the Betfair hurdle but can't remember what it was called back then. I worked with a guy who was a good customer in the Haywood shop and one of the regulars who was told early on about the horse being laid out for the race. This guy told me, knowing I was a good punter, but I ignored the advice and could have kicked myself when the horse won! A sad end to the tale, though. This guy later left the company we worked at for disciplinary reasons and I had to clear out his personal stuff from his desk. In there, I found a photo of the horse with £1,000 written across it - this being the amount he'd won on his ante-post bets. It made me feel sad to have seen him leave because the reasons for it were a little dubious, to say the least! |
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Grey Salute.
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Grey Salute?
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Obviously it was and still is to some of us The Schweppes. Was probably the Tote Gold Trophy in those days.
I backed Vicario De Bray as soon as the weights came out at 16/1. The weather dramatically changed and it didn't rain for a month, the race on the 2nd Saturday in February starting on Good to firm, which suited Grey Salute but not Vicario de Bray. Despite this, in a very small field, he started at 4/7 and came 2nd to Grey Salute. My best value ante post bet ever went down the drain during one of my worst ever runs. Boy, did I need him to win! |
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i remember him been backed of the boards one friday afternoon at haydock loper january 88 i think ,he didnt forget to win,returned there a few years later and won the champion hurdle trial.
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was Vicario De Brey Jonjo's?
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by the way loper the 3rd in the tote gold trophy that year had won the 88 county hurdle the winner went on to win the chester cup.
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yes penzance orange and white colures .
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he was quite hyped up,if I remember.
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Yes Jimnast,
as I recall, I loved him as an individual and thought he was potentially well h'capped. Having backed him he only went and won the Champion Trial Hurdle at Haydock and his price went through the floor. The problem was that he needed soft ground, but he was bumped up massively by the h'capper after Haydock and had stones in hand at Newbury so I wrongly thought he would get away with it. Grey Salute loved the ground. The field was only 7 runners, I think, a combination of the fast ground conditions and very few wanting to take on VDB at the weights. |
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Cant remember who was 3rd?
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cashew king
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it was a very small field for that race loper cant remember how many,i do remember to listening to the race at uttoxeter.
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It was marmalade sandwiches for the next month for me, Jimnast!
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Loper,are you saying the bookmaker had same christian name as his father or the same as the trainer?
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Ribero
I would ask for long odds the bookmaker stands behind you at York Ronnie. |